There is no debate anymore

There is no debate anymore

Ronaldo brings out the best in inferior players in Portugal. Has insane motivational skills to guide the team. He is a real leader. Commands on the pitch with his ability and desire. Wins matches on his own when his teams have no right to be in the game.

Messi does nothing but sulk and let others blame everyone but him

In Portugal, they name airports, schools, buses, museums and hotels after Ronaldo.

In Argentina they give Messi death threats for failing his country time and time again.


Another Balon d'Or coming after he wins the golden boot at the biggest stage.

all hail Godric!

The debate has truly ended today. It's over. FINALLY, finally we have seen the end to this.

RG, my brother, we always knew this day would come. What a day it is.

Messi has failed. Utterly, completely. He failed a whole generation.

He carries a goat for Adidas, meanwhile Ronaldo conquers the world. It's a joke.

Back in my day, this thread would have moved to My Right Back is Better than Yours section and likely locked.

RG is high on power now the other admins left, such a shame.

From a football talent perspective, still a better player overall than Ronaldo, that will never change. But yeah, Ronaldo is a better leader, and he doesn't need a well-drilled system to make something happen.

no read, straight thumb.

@zigra wrote:The debate has truly ended today. It's over. FINALLY, finally we have seen the end to this.

RG, my brother, we always knew this day would come. What a day it is.

Messi has failed. Utterly, completely. He failed a whole generation.

He carries a goat for Adidas, meanwhile Ronaldo conquers the world. It's a joke.

Tier 1 confirmed

Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo, Cruyff, Zidane, Fat Ronaldo

@El Gunner wrote:From a football talent perspective, still a better player overall than Ronaldo, that will never change. But yeah, Ronaldo is a better leader, and he doesn't need a well-drilled system to make something happen.

Irony here is Portugal are probably the most well drilled team in the tournament.

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

@El Gunner wrote:From a football talent perspective, still a better player overall than Ronaldo, that will never change. But yeah, Ronaldo is a better leader, and he doesn't need a well-drilled system to make something happen.

Irony here is Portugal are probably the most well drilled team in the tournament.

So well drilled that they got drilled by freaking Morocco for 90 minutes.

All Portugal's goals so far have come from Ronaldo heroics ffs.

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

@El Gunner wrote:From a football talent perspective, still a better player overall than Ronaldo, that will never change. But yeah, Ronaldo is a better leader, and he doesn't need a well-drilled system to make something happen.

Irony here is Portugal are probably the most well drilled team in the tournament.

False.

They are well managed yes, but I'm sure there are about at least 3 better well-drilled teams in this tournament, just give me until the quarter-finals or semi-finals to name them for you.

rg did u just blocked my thumbing priviledge?

all my up in this thread had not counted. tired of re-thumbing. pls fix.

@farfan wrote:

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

@El Gunner wrote:From a football talent perspective, still a better player overall than Ronaldo, that will never change. But yeah, Ronaldo is a better leader, and he doesn't need a well-drilled system to make something happen.

Irony here is Portugal are probably the most well drilled team in the tournament.

So well drilled that they got drilled by freaking Morocco for 90 minutes.

All Portugal's goals so far have come from Ronaldo heroics ffs.

They were never in any danger. Yes Ronaldo scores the goals but they incredibly well organised and only really missing the likes of Moutinho and Silva picking up their game to be a complete side.

There isn't a weakness in that team, i'm getting annoyed with people downplaying their team to hype up Ronaldo. Ronaldo is doing good enough on his own without the need for that bullshit.

But i don't really have the energy to go any further than that.

Way over the top thread and comments.

But as a Messi fan I gotta say todays game and this WC was very bad for Messi, the way he seem like not even trying and stand around not doing anything. I think it shows he has some real limitations, that he cant lead and play well with the NT to gel with other players or motivate them enough... maybe thats not fair but he is supposed to be the best and we demand a lot from him, but the difference has been too much, hes really failed to show anything like what we want.

Hes probably go down as the best player in this era but unable to win the WC which would have otherwise clearly marked him a level above.

Where is harmonica?

Maybe he will come tomorrow with explanations cum excuses

@terrance511 wrote:rg did u just blocked my thumbing priviledge?

all my up in this thread had not counted. tired of re-thumbing. pls fix.

bit worried myself. 1 thumb up to my OP is a disgrace

National anthem playing, stadium bouncing, what the fucc is this? I knew we were in for another Chokessi master class when he walked out the tunnel with this beta male body language.

Maybe it was side effects of extra dose of hgh

@RealGunner wrote:

@terrance511 wrote:rg did u just blocked my thumbing priviledge?

all my up in this thread had not counted. tired of re-thumbing. pls fix.

bit worried myself. 1 thumb up to my OP is a disgrace

Probably because it's full of arguments with massive holes in it which make no sense.

Not to mention Messi vs Ronaldo was boring 8 years ago lol.

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

@farfan wrote:

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Irony here is Portugal are probably the most well drilled team in the tournament.

So well drilled that they got drilled by freaking Morocco for 90 minutes.

All Portugal's goals so far have come from Ronaldo heroics ffs.

They were never in any danger. Yes Ronaldo scores the goals  but they incredibly well organised and only really missing the likes of Moutinho and Silva picking up their game to be a complete side.

There isn't a weakness in that team, i'm getting annoyed with people downplaying their team to hype up Ronaldo. Ronaldo is doing good enough on his own without the need for that bullshit.

But i don't really have the energy to go any further than that.

Spain had an easier time creating chances against Portugal than they did against Iran, hell their only goal against the latter was purely accidental.  
Morocco dominated Portugal and created tons of chances ( Benatia missed 3 close-range shots ), they created almost zero against Iran.
You can easily argue that Portugal isn't even the most well-drilled team in their group.

I don't doubt that they can get their shit together and get back to their Euro 16 form, but I just didn't  see this well-organized unit you're talking about in these 2 matches.

It should be noted that while Messi might play in a bad team managed by a fraud it's ALL his fault.
Argentina have a great generation and could appoint great coaches but it's MESSI who doesn't allow it. HE installs the trashy managers. HE blocks the great players. It's not about what's best for Argentina, it's not even about what's best for him. It's just about who he likes. Cronyism.

He's his teams best player but he destroys them.
Kick him out after the WC. Bring in a top coach who doesn't have to bow to Messi. That generation should compete for titles, not go out in the group stage.