What club in other leagues can Arsenal be compared to?

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Sri if you don't win this year you never will. Can you imagine the amount of spending next year when Chelsea, Liverpool, City and United will rebuild their squads? I'm sure Arsenal won't join, and they'll be left behind.

The fact of the matter is that it has been obvious for 3 years that Arsenal need a GK, CF and DM. Good job getting Cech, but you're still playing Flamini and Giroud. Arsenal does not aim for titles, only to be "good enough".

Im wondering, where are all these players that mancity, chelsea, man utd etc are going to buy? lol people say this shit every year the players just arnt there for these clubs to buy. The PL is as competitive as ever and that wont be changing for a long time until one of these clubs manage to find a young superstar like messi or ronaldo.

The upcoming years will show what fraud is old man Wenga, hiding behind "financial problems". I predict zero big titles until he leaves

Socur Toxanarosa wrote:

titosantill wrote:probably villareal not right now, but under pellegrini a couple of years back. right now its difficult to find a match. definitely not atletico, largely because of playing style. but i think one can say atleti under simeone have been a bit more successful, in large part due to the league and ucl final appearance they had....playing style and image, i'd say maybe pellegrini's villareal, in large part due to playing style and the way both managers approached games

Atletico is much better, independent of style, it's not even close.

He said in terms of club not team? You guys dont understand the difference? Maybe English isnt your first.

In terms of club, Arsenal is very comparable to atletico. However, Arsenal have won a bit more domestically than atletico, and Arsenal have a more consistent european record (yes atletico have two Europa cups but if youre smart you'll know why we cant use this as a yardstick).

In term of history the closest club to compare to Arsenal is atletico, thats for sure. But thats just history, in terms of Arsenal's stature as a club and fanbase, they are pretty much up there with the top tier ahead of clubs like atletico.

futbol_bill wrote:Lyon!!! always close but no cigar!!!

Lyon won french 7 titles in a row and destroyed Madrid year after year in CL.  Made it to quarters and one semi final of CL in that span too while always getting to elimination rounds.  No way.

We're quite unique tbh

We are as good as any 2/3rd tier teams. Nothing special. Just history and tradition keeping us still relevant

can everyone stop blaming Wenger for not signing a WC striker? He has been trying since RVP hung him out to dry. It isn't that easy to find a WC striker if you aren't Bayern, Barca, Real, Man Yoo, Juve or cashed up with oil dollahz

Higuain was the only one we truly let go. Everything else was seemingly out of AW's control. Suarez, Benzema etc. Even I got convinced for a time that any old striker will do - well Liverpool do that consistently buying Benteke and the like, throwing money down the toilet more than half the time.

It is hard to compare English clubs with the injection of Oil money.. Not too long ago City were a scrub club who barely won anything and were battling relegation half the time. Not too long ago Arsenal were widely accepted as the biggest club in London.

I personally think Roma is the most comparable I suppose but unique for the most part.

One thing I notice about Arsenal is its the club that everyone loves to backseat manage.. Not sure why that is..

I see a lot of Roma in them

if roma were like arsenal, they'd have sold totti to one of their rivals; ac milan or juve back when totti was in his prime, and gotten an unknown commodity as replacement.

futbol_bill wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:Lyon!!! always close but no cigar!!!

Lyon won french 7 titles in a row and destroyed Madrid year after year in CL.  Made it to quarters and one semi final of CL in that span too while always getting to elimination rounds.  No way.

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Winning a second rated liga is about equal to finishing in top 4 in EPL. Beating a very poor Madrid twice, means nothing. Getting to QF or SF is about equal to Arsenal.

You can't be serious.  The same league that sent teams to the elimination rounds regularly (such as Bordeaux, Monaco and Lille) and Monaco to the finals of CL in that same span besides Lyon?  That is absolutely not the same league as it is today.  There was really good talent.  The league only started to really dilute after 2009-2010.

Lyon actually beat big teams in CL in those years. Arsenal's issue is that they will beat those that they are supposed to... but cannot get a result against any of the big names regardless of their form at the time.

ahem real madrid

REWB wrote:He said in terms of club not team? You guys dont understand the difference? Maybe English isnt your first.

In terms of club, Arsenal is very comparable to atletico. However, Arsenal have won a bit more domestically than atletico, and Arsenal have a more consistent european record (yes atletico have two Europa cups but if youre smart you'll know why we cant use this as a yardstick).

In term of history the closest club to compare to Arsenal is atletico, thats for sure. But thats just history, in terms of Arsenal's stature as a club and fanbase, they are pretty much up there with the top tier ahead of clubs like atletico.

English is not my first language but i got it alright, in the end it doesn't even matter much as the team is a result of the club policies and Atletico has been a much better club/team than Arsenal for a while.

Every Club is unique. They are Arsenal and they don't need to have a similar club somewhere else. And also, why is it relevant or interesting if there's a similar club to Arsenal somewhere else?

free_cat wrote:Every Club is unique. They are Arsenal and they don't need to have a similar club somewhere else.

+1

Peccadillo wrote:can everyone stop blaming Wenger for not signing a WC striker? He has been trying since RVP hung him out to dry. It isn't that easy to find a WC striker if you aren't Bayern, Barca, Real, Man Yoo, Juve or cashed up with oil dollahz

Higuain was the only one we truly let go. Everything else was seemingly out of AW's control. Suarez, Benzema etc. Even I got convinced for a time that any old striker will do - well Liverpool do that consistently buying Benteke and the like, throwing money down the toilet more than half the time.

It is hard to compare English clubs with the injection of Oil money.. Not too long ago City were a scrub club who barely won anything and were battling relegation half the time. Not too long ago Arsenal were widely accepted as the biggest club in London.

I personally think Roma is the most comparable I suppose but unique for the most part.

One thing I notice about Arsenal is its the club that everyone loves to backseat manage.. Not sure why that is..

Disagree. He could have had Suarez. He had a 40 million buyout clause and if Wenger had not tried to take the piss with a 40 million + 1 pound offer which rubbed Liverpool the wrong way and instead made a proper bid, say, 50 million, Suarez would play for Arsenal now.

I don't know if Wenger himself made that offer, I think in England the manager manages everything including transfers, so I assume it was Wenger's doing. In any case Arsenal are run by clowns.

They are mixture of number of teams.

Atletico- no pressure to win trophies ... Inherited

Roma-Underperforming.. Inherited

Napoli-can't win pressure matches ... Inherited

Vaelencia- win big game lose next week to scrubs 3-0... Inherited

Bayer Leverkusen- bottle job.... Inherited

Adit wrote:They are mixture of number of teams.

Atletico- no pressure to win trophies ... Inherited

Roma-Underperforming.. Inherited

Napoli-can't win pressure matches ... Inherited

Vaelencia- win big game lose next week to scrubs 3-0... Inherited

Bayer Leverkusen- bottle job.... Inherited

Arsenal are like Barca minus Messi

Peccadillo wrote:can everyone stop blaming Wenger for not signing a WC striker? He has been trying since RVP hung him out to dry. It isn't that easy to find a WC striker if you aren't Bayern, Barca, Real, Man Yoo, Juve or cashed up with oil dollahz

Higuain was the only one we truly let go. Everything else was seemingly out of AW's control. Suarez, Benzema etc. Even I got convinced for a time that any old striker will do - well Liverpool do that consistently buying Benteke and the like, throwing money down the toilet more than half the time.

It is hard to compare English clubs with the injection of Oil money.. Not too long ago City were a scrub club who barely won anything and were battling relegation half the time. Not too long ago Arsenal were widely accepted as the biggest club in London.

I personally think Roma is the most comparable I suppose but unique for the most part.

One thing I notice about Arsenal is its the club that everyone loves to backseat manage.. Not sure why that is..

Its not impossible to find good strikers around. Outside of rich EPL clubs, Juve got Tevez and Mandzukic cheap, Dybala for a good price. Roma with Dzeko. Napoli with Higuain. Inter with Icardi. Thats just from serie A. If they can get such strikers, then so can Arsenal. Dortmund replaced Lewandowski properly with Aubmeyang. Chelsea got Diego Costa. Atletico replaced Costa with Griezmann. Milan got Bacca.

Those have performed to different levels, but I think they would all be at least as good as Giroud, motsly better.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Arsenal are like Barca minus Messi

minus Trophies
minus league duopoly (post 2003/04 Roman Russian tanks parked on our lawns etc)
minus Suarez/Neymar a.k.a credible attacking options
minus Busquets a.k.a swimming talents
minus DNA/tap up skills
minus Humble & Respectful
minus VAGI
minus CL trophy (2006 )

Oh and minus GOALS - you know, stuff you need to score to actually win matches. Think credible attack covered that though

Wenger did find a striker and his name Sonogoal...he wanted to be a postman but Wenger changed his mind.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Arsenal are like Barca minus Messi

We still have Wenger..he would play Messi as a LB or CB.

No mater who we sign with Wenger around we wont win shit.

They are a transparent line between 1st tier and 2nd tier club. Have the resources of a big club but have the recent success rate of a 2nd (maybe even a 3rd tier club) tier club.

I'd categorize them along with Valencia, Roma and Bayer Leverkusen.

A more organised Roma I would say.