David Moyes sacked

Art Morte wrote:

Fußball wrote:Let's imagine he gets sacked (pls no ). Who would become his successor? There are some low-profile quality coaches around like Valverde but I can't imagine United appointing a foreigner who doesn't even speak the language. Would they be interested in someone like De Boer? And who will make the decision? Fergie again?

One rumour was Giggs   

Rooney to be officially made player-manager

Hapless_Hans wrote:

RED wrote:Hopefully after Bayern thrash us 7-0 next week.

sorry but I have to spoil your hope. We rarely thrash teams 7-0, especially in the CL.

It'll be closer than everyone claims.

EXCLUSIVE: Blame Fergie! United chiefs believe Sir Alex left cupboard bare for beleaguered Moyes

Manchester United's patience with David Moyes derives from misgivings over Sir Alex Ferguson's legacy

United fans are growing disillusioned with new boss
But the club's board are willing to stick by their man

Sportsmail understands Ed Woodward believes the set-up Moyes inherited wasn't fit for purpose


Manchester United's patience with manager David Moyes is being driven by an increasing belief that he was handed a questionable behind-the-scenes legacy by his predecessor Sir Alex Ferguson.
One club source said post-Ferguson, ‘it was like looking behind the curtain of the Wizard of Oz and seeing there was nothing there to work with’.
United fans have grown increasingly disillusioned with Moyes in recent days as a disappointing season got a lot worse with 3-0 home defeats by Liverpool and Manchester City.

The United board and in particular the owners the Glazer family will only stand so many dreadful performances on the field and next week’s daunting Champions League tie against Bayern Munich may prove decisive in terms of Moyes’s future.
However, Sportsmail understands that one reason why chief executive Ed Woodward and fellow board members are giving Moyes so much time and patience is that they feel he inherited a set-up from Ferguson that was not fit for purpose at Barclays Premier League level.
Nobody at the club wants publicly to sully Ferguson’s legacy, given that his 27-year reign lifted United from oblivion to the summit of European football. He also left Moyes a squad that had just won the league by 11 points.
But it has since emerged that he ran United’s football operation in such a closed-off way that the board believe the task of restructuring required to bring it up to speed with the rest of Europe’s top clubs is much harder than expected.

Moyes has begun the process — especially in terms of scouting and recruitment — but Woodward believes the job of doing this has influenced the dismal events on the field. This is why the club wants — if at all possible — to give Moyes the summer to put his own plans into action and recruit his own players.
United know this strategy is not without risk and further bad results may force their hand. They plan to spend up to £200million on new players and nobody can blame recent bad performances on anyone but the man in charge.
Nevertheless, the United source said: ‘Sir Alex had such a hold on the club that he was left to get on with it. His methods worked for him.
‘It was always known that David would have things to address behind the scenes but there has been much, much more and it has taken longer than was anticipated.’

Moyes had a three-hour meeting with Woodward last week, the day after United beat Olympiacos 3-0 in the Champions League to set up next week’s clash with old foes Bayern.
A sign of growing divisions among supporters is that one group have raised £840 to fly a plane over Old Trafford during the match with Aston Villa tomorrow with the banner: ‘Wrong One — Moyes Out’.
This is a direct challenge to the Stretford End Flags group, who have refused to take down their ‘Chosen One’ banner inside the ground.
If Moyes survives the turbulent days ahead, he has a list of players he wishes to move out of the club. These include midfielders Anderson, Nani and Wilfried Zaha and defender Alexander Buttner.
Moyes will also listen to good offers for Darren Fletcher, Tom Cleverley, Shinji Kagawa and Javier Hernandez. Meanwhile, Nemanja Vidic is leaving for Inter Milan and Moyes expects to lose Patrice Evra to Serie A and Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs to retirement.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2591130/Blame-Fergie-United-chiefs-believe-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-left-cupboard-bare-David-Moyes.html

Hapless_Hans wrote:I say we'll win 2-1 at Old Trafford, while having 97% possession. Rooney to score from 65 meters, as Neuer is somewhere around the middle circle.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Red, I'm not being humble about how strongly I think we'll dominate, hence the 97% joke.

However at the moment, the amount of control we have does result in success, stability and consistency, but usually not in a festival of goals.
We're too rarely really brilliant in the final ball for that.
At the moment.

That's why I said it will not be the crazy thrashing everyone is predicting, just because they have a preconceived notion of how we are the 'best team' etc pp and because of the Barca thing last year.
If you look closely, it's VERY probable we progress but not at all as probable it will be with an remarkably high margin.

Also I'd rather we don't blow you into outer space as I've grown very fond of Moysie and don't want him to be out of arguments.

Hapless_Hans wrote:haha, I've seen a lot of Utd games this season, believe me I know

But you have to keep in mind those veteran players who don't really care for Moysie, and all the confusion and frustration that leads to you life- and toothlessly losing home games in the league, all that might not apply for our tie.
A lot of players will want to show Europe what they're capable of as some of them might want to be employed elsewhere in summer

Plus you really got nothing to lose, noone will be betting a dime on you progressing, so psychologically that's good.

RED wrote:Basically has began the process of digging his own grave. Said even SAF "would struggle with this lot". Every back page in England is running with the story.

The man has lost the plot

RED wrote:Basically has began the process of digging his own grave. Said even SAF "would struggle with this lot". Every back page in England is running with the story.

The man has lost the plot

David Moyes is being placed under greater pressure at Manchester United as the club's owners, the Glazer family, are demanding Europa League qualification, club sources have told ESPN.

United no longer have any realistic hopes of qualifying for next season's Champions League, but reaching UEFA's second-tier tournament is still very much a possibility.

While sources say the manager has not been given anything like an ultimatum, reaching European competition is now seen by the club's owners as a major target for the remainder of the season.

Although there is an external perception that a lack of continental football may actually aid the side next season, as has been the case in this campaign with Liverpool's title challenge, that is not the view at the top levels of the club. The Glazers see such games as exceptionally significant in terms of revenue, particularly given the level of attendance that United usually guarantee.

Club sources have told ESPN that the "cold reality" of failing to qualify for the Champions League has hit the owners since last month's quarter-final elimination by Bayern Munich, with Moyes' situation now having changed again since the initial last-16 victory over Olympiakos.

The 3-0 second-leg win in that tie seemed to have secured Moyes' status, but it is understood his position is no longer quite so safe.

While, according to sources, he is not "on the brink of the brink," as was the case following the 2-0 first-leg defeat to the Greek side, a summer sacking is still far from unthinkable.

That latest shift reflects some of the debate that has gone at boardroom level regarding Moyes' performance, and the way the pendulum of opinion has swung.

ESPN has been told doubts first properly grew among the hierarchy after January's 2-1 FA Cup defeat at home to Swansea City, which was the initial point at which key figures had even contemplated that the manager's tenure perhaps should not be as long term as initially anticipated. Since then, the Glazers have also taken a much more active interest in weekly performance.

United's form has picked up in the last month, however, with three wins in their last four Premier League games and a respectable showing against Bayern in the Champions League.

That has moved them to within three points of sixth-placed Tottenham with a game in hand, not to mention a vastly superior goal difference.

Seventh place would be enough for United to qualify for the Europa League in the event of Arsenal winning the FA Cup but finishing fifth.