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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:20 pm

Last weekend Lloris randomly hoofed which led to a goal/chance. Why would goalkeepers hoof the ball for a 50/50 chance of keeping the ball? Just keep composed and pass to the CB.

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Post by Doc Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:43 pm

Because of how goal keepers train (I think), they aren't as composed on the ball as the outfield players. Of course, there are those goalies that are just good footballers in general but mostly, a goalie is gonna clear as far as he can when under pressure.

Lloris was just unfortunate to end up in such a situation.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:01 pm

Spoken like a person who never played football before.

Not many have the skills to play the passes and even less have the composure.

You cant just "keep composed" just because you want to Laughing

As the last man back, the risk you take is huge and if you dont have the skills for playing the pass, then you should just be safe.

At this level we are talking about, coaches usually either want a goalie to either hoof it or pass it. Not make a decision on the fly.

Yes, kicking the ball away leads to loss of possession and in the end, more chances for the opponent to score...but at least they are 50-60m from the goal.
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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:03 pm

It's not just down to the GK when it comes to distribution. The players have to position themselves in an ideal position to receive the ball. So maybe the CB's split wide with the DM coming in. Fullbacks then go higher up.

That sort of thing can be worked on in training. I guess hoofing the ball out is just taking the easy option.


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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:04 pm

Well, sometimes they just want to get the ball as far away from their goal as they can. It is only rather recently (few years) that GKs are being trained to use their feet properly. Longer ago it was fully sufficient for them to be shot stoppers, but since the backpass rule was introduced, it became more important for GKs to be able to use their feet for other things than standing or jumping around.

That is actually the difference between "classic" and "modern" goalkeeping - the modern goalkeeper is expected to be able to accept a ball and use his feet to pass it on. Still most GKs are not as good on the ball as outfield players are. Manuel Neuer, who is actually pretty good at it, said in some interview that he might be able to play as outfield player in the 3rd division.

So sometimes it is just sensible not to try and dribble around hence the attackers might be better than the GK and the GK would look really stupid if the ball is taken from him. You should remember that most of the time the GK is the last man between the ball and the goal, so it might be wise not to take any risks and better clear the ball by hoofing it into the opposite half.
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:04 pm

What? Easier said than done. Looks easy on FIFA yet doesn't transcend in real life where GKs are not trained for such factors.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:06 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:It's not just down to the GK when it comes to distribution. The players have to position themselves in an ideal position to receive the ball. So maybe the CB's split wide with the DM coming in. Fullbacks then go higher up.

That sort of thing can be worked on in training. I guess hoofing the ball out is just taking the easy option.
You realise even with this set up you can still easily commit pressure to all of the back line and midfield? More than enough to discourage short passing.

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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:06 pm

A bad question to ask after Boruc v Arsenal just the last weekend.
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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:09 pm

It's not like goalkeepers can't ever learn to be more proficient with using their feet. New techniques and practise in training can maybe lead to less hoofing.

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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:12 pm

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Yohan Modric wrote:It's not just down to the GK when it comes to distribution. The players have to position themselves in an ideal position to receive the ball. So maybe the CB's split wide with the DM coming in. Fullbacks then go higher up.

That sort of thing can be worked on in training. I guess hoofing the ball out is just taking the easy option.
You realise even with this set up you can still easily commit pressure to all of the back line and midfield? More than enough to discourage short passing.

You can, however it's just one way of attempting to retain the ball. I guess it comes down to style at the end of the day too. Casillas for example vs Galatasaray passed the ball out under pressure, whereas usually he would have hoofed it.

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Post by FennecFox7 Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:15 pm

Because goalies don't have a 10th of the skills outfield players do... stupid question
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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:17 pm

Well, modern GKs do train passing and stuff, but they have a different training regimen and can't take the time an outfield player does to work on their footwork as they have a couple of other techniques they need to train, too.
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Post by ronalessi Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:18 pm

Here's Portugal goalkeeper trying to pass to a defender. He gets it wrong in the last few minutes of the game and sends Portugal to the play-offs. If he hoofed it, Portugal were through to the World Cup.

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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:20 pm

I dont think you grasp quite how fast the game is played and how quick decisions need to be made.

Outfield players been training 10, 15 and even 20 years before they become regular players...4, 5, 6 even 7 days a week.

Goalies cant compete with that just because they got some training for a couple hours a week for a couple years.
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Post by Lex Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:23 pm

Because

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:24 pm

It's Ironic because on FIFA, MT does the exact opposite and conceded goals because he's 'too composed' with the Goalkeeper rofl
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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:34 pm

Goalkeepers don't need to train at everything outfield players train at. I'm sure it's possible with the use of positioning and composure to not always hoof.

Obviously if it's approaching 90th minute and the team is winning, it would be wise to hoof it clear. It has to depend on what's happening too.

So if the press is too much, just hoof, if it's 1-2 players, then attempt to pass out. Doesn't always have to be a pass out.

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Post by Onyx Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:36 pm

Lex wrote:Because

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Goalkeepers don't need to dribble outrageously like that. Their job is too pass it out, not to out dribble the opposition player who's closing him down.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:38 pm

As longas you don't slice the 'hoof' it's a much, much safer option than playing out from the back.

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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:39 pm

I guess you should give Manuel Neuer a lot of credit now for his pinpoint long throws that he can do up to almost the middle line with which he often nicely launches attacks. But he can only do that because the other players usually run into positions where he can distribute the ball properly.
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Post by RealGunner Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:44 pm

Why should they pass it out when they can create a chance through long ball?
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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:48 pm

Nice hoof here btw:
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Post by Dante Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:09 pm

Neuer is a freak Rwo , he doesn't count.

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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:15 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Goalkeepers don't need to train at everything outfield players train at. I'm sure it's possible with the use of positioning and composure to not always hoof.

Obviously if it's approaching 90th minute and the team is winning, it would be wise to hoof it clear. It has to depend on what's happening too.

So if the press is too much, just hoof, if it's 1-2 players, then attempt to pass out. Doesn't always have to be a pass out.
How do you "train composure" I would love to hear your theories.


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Post by DuringTheWar Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:27 pm

well he is right, keepers don't need to "always hoof"

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