The culture of pornography

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VivaStPauli wrote:
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Oh yes, this is definitely true

That source for the rewiring had absolutely no quantification and no proof that's even real. And I doubt it very much is. Again, equivalent to saying playing video games rewires your brain so it's easier to shoot someone.

No. That's not right. I mean unless maybe someone was mentally unstable to begin with?

Viewing sex as a purely recreational activity is something that happens on a large scale already. Also is it porn, or is it that these kids who are watching porn are more likely to be horny bastards who are more likely to view sex as a recreational activity cause well...they're horny bastards? I'm not saying that, it's an open ended question. Also it's a survey- and it's easy to correlate but one must make the distinction that correlation does not equal causation- which is why I brought up the horny bastard question.

While these studies show that kids might see women more as objects because of porn, is there a study showing how many of these kids are getting into a relationship where this is true?

You can say that beforehand but it's different when you're in a relationship I'm sure. Again- take kids who play videogames- you can test them and find out that they are more likely to shoot some idiot in the head, but have them actually aim a gun at some idiots head none of them would actually do it. If you see my point.

I'm hardly even arguing anything here but I like to bring up discussion points and I don't find any of those studies as very convincing or startling.

Again I'd like to point out I'm not a proponent of porn, I don't even like it, and I actually kinda do agree I find a lot of it disgusting, it's not my cup of tea. But you guys are taking it too far IMO, that's where my problem is.

Also Arq, while I do agree with you in a lot of concepts you bring up, you're taking all of this way too far. Do you seriously think porn is that big of a problem? Honestly?

Also, bronies

i'd like to see a venn diagram of people who were raised in an abrahamic religion and people who oppose porn...

seriously, watch interviews with porn stars, a lot of them love their jobs

I don't get it. people tell me you can't judge pornstars. why not?

why i can't judge a person who whores himself in front of camera for some cash and ends the month by getting F8cked by 15 men while all of them recorded?

there is bad and there is good. porn is legal. but everything legal isn't good. look at whole picture.

in their personal life their parents are not happy with them because of this. hell most of them are abandoned by their parent's. tell me why is that? if you have a daughter you will be happy if she becomes a pornstar? and if no why?

Some pornstar gets pregnant during shooting porn. the kid is born. he/she goes to school. some kid comes to him/her saying : hey look i think your mother got pregnant with you in this scene look. i mean thats .

or many other kids who their parents are pornstars. they will see videos of their parents as soon as they grow up. that's bad and harsh. i feel for them.

being a pornstar affects their parents, children, friends and everyone close to them. in a negative way.

so looking at whole picture i think porn is bad and the person involve in porn is doing a bad thing.

seriously, watch interviews with porn stars, a lot of them love their jobs

I read somewhere Jenna jamesson ( maybe most famous pronstar ever ) got into porn because she was raped. she said it herself.

so you enter a job because of the damage of getting raped. and then later you say i love this job. contradiction. i mean she is the perfect/famous/wealthy pornstar who every pornstar wants to be like. and even her got to this industry cuz she was damaged.

Actually, while she was indeed raped, she said she got into porn after her boyfriend dumped her, to get back at him. She then discovered she liked it.

She was under no pressure to enter the porn business, since she was making $2000 a friggin night as a Las Vegas stripper at the time.

So basically she took a paycut to make porn. So it can't be all that bad.

But yeah, her biography really makes her what you'd call "damaged goods" if you were to be a jerk, but there's plenty of other porn stars with way more 'normal' biographies.

mamad wrote:I don't get it. people tell me you can't judge pornstars. why not?

why i can't judge a person who whores himself in front of camera for some cash and ends the month by getting F8cked by 15 men while all of them recorded?

Interesting question - why don't you judge a guy who do the same? Your wording nicely shows that your contempt only hits the women there. Why do you consider a woman who does that a whore, but not the guys? I think it shows a lot of the hypocrisy of the people here and the patriarchalic cultures we live in. Guys are supposedly entitled to have as many women as they want, but as soon as a women decides to do the same, she is "a whore" etc.

Spot on, RWO.

rwo power wrote:

mamad wrote:I don't get it. people tell me you can't judge pornstars. why not?

why i can't judge a person who whores himself in front of camera for some cash and ends the month by getting F8cked by 15 men while all of them recorded?

Interesting question - why don't you judge a guy who do the same? Your wording nicely shows that your contempt only hits the women there. Why do you consider a woman who does that a whore, but not the guys? I think it shows a lot of the hypocrisy of the people here and the patriarchalic cultures we live in. Guys are supposedly entitled to have as many women as they want, but as soon as a women decides to do the same, she is "a whore" etc.

The same should apply to men. But I think women get more slack for it because being a pornstar is far more reputation-ruining for women than it is for men.

Interesting question - why don't you judge a guy who do the same? Your wording nicely shows that your contempt only hits the women there. Why do you consider a woman who does that a whore, but not the guys? I think it shows a lot of the hypocrisy of the people here and the patriarchalic cultures we live in. Guys are supposedly entitled to have as many women as they want, but as soon as a women decides to do the same, she is "a whore" etc.

You didn't get the point.

Despite there is some things different that i don't want to get into, both are whores. everyone in the business. but Women are getting degraded more in porn. way more. that's the problem.

Mamad wrote:I don't get it. people tell me you can't judge pornstars. why not?

why i can't judge a person who whores himself in front of camera for some cash and ends the month by getting F8cked by 15 men while all of them recorded?

there is bad and there is good. porn is legal. but everything legal isn't good. look at whole picture.

in their personal life their parents are not happy with them because of this. hell most of them are abandoned by their parent's. tell me why is that? if you have a daughter you will be happy if she becomes a pornstar? and if no why?

Some pornstar gets pregnant during shooting porn. the kid is born. he/she goes to school. some kid comes to him/her saying : hey look i think your mother got pregnant with you in this scene look. i mean thats .

or many other kids who their parents are pornstars. they will see videos of their parents as soon as they grow up. that's bad and harsh. i feel for them.

being a pornstar affects their parents, children, friends and everyone close to them. in a negative way.

so looking at whole picture i think porn is bad and the person involve in porn is doing a bad thing.

I think it is you who is missing the poing, Mamad. I can only speak for myself, but I do not care if you decide to judge pornographic stars, although I feel you are doing so without very much information (not to mention, you do not know any of these actors personally). How many pornographic stars do you know who were abandoned by their parents? I do not think all of the people in here disagree with your notion on pornography, I just do not like the way you have jumped to so many conclusions. It also seems to be that you lack knowledge when it comes to the different variety of pornography - you act as if there are no videos where men get degraded.

You can judge whoever you want, that does not make it right thought. How are these people affecting your life? Why does it bother you so much? I tend to dislike evil people who will do everything in their power to wrong others in the name of making an extra buck. Hell, some of these women/men might be doing it to pay the bills. Case in point, it is not wise to judge people when you have no idea where they have been or come from. You should not speak for/about these people when you so uninformed about their personal situations.

Where are you getting your information (I am not saying this has never occurred, but I cannot imagine it happening often)? How are these classmates and others finding out the pregnancy occurred on set? If family/friends do not approve of such behavior, they can choose to remove said person from their lives - this happens for things other than pornography. I also fail to see how this decision would affect friends - if they really have an issue with it, they can always move on, or try and help out.

I just want you to understand that I am not judging you and you have every right to say/think what you want. I just hope that you start to look at the whole picture as that is the same advice you have offered the rest of us.

Well I've seen some interviews, articles, etc and i can say this confidently that many of them are not in a good relationship with parents. only because of this business and nothing else. about men being degraded you are right there are videos of it but if you compare it's like 1000 to 1. not comparable. and i believe women and men are different. women are more Sensitive than men and what they do in some videos to women is not acceptable. even if they agree to do this. i mean have you watched FacialAbuse videos? how on earth that is legal in US?

They are not affecting my life. don't need to. they are doing a bad job that's it. i can't go and research every single one of them. that's impossible. I'm just saying a person who does this sort of thing isn't ok. like we all say thief's are not good people. we say this because of what they do. yes the level of BAD and how its bad are different. and don't get me wrong I'm not comparing thief's and pornstar's that was just an example. but when someone does something bad he/she should take the blame. yeah some of them may have different situations but the majority are the same. and we are talking about the majority here.

I read that somewhere in the internet. a pornstar got pregnant while filming. lol.

well it's what they do. i said that about parents and their close people. they walk away. and when your job causes so many walkaways that job isn't right.

i understand what you are saying but I'm not agree with how you and many others look at it. but at the end everyone has their opinion.

seriously, watch interviews with porn stars, a lot of them love their jobs

Since Mamad was skeptical about this comment, here is a brief article describing a study which suggested that many pornstars are pretty satisfied with their lives (I'm sure that not all are, but you can't generalize that they all aren't either):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/porn-stars-higher-self-esteem_n_2192214.html

Also, there was a note made earlier about how porn can promote some people becoming really into very kinky sexual practices, but honestly if someone enjoys that type of stuff then who are you to tell them that they can't practice it with others who enjoy it as well? When it gets to the point where people become dangerous and violent in their sexual behaviour then okay, but those people have always existed and always will exist. I will admit though that I have seen a lot more 'rape' porn in recent times where a girl is tied down and aggressively had sex with, and I mean on very popular websites with big-name pornstars, which are heavily advertised as well; those do concern me.

Anyway, I think the main arguments here are how porn objectifies sex and portrays men and women, as well as how sex is put on a pedestal as the only thing that we should strive to achieve, even if no emotion is present and we're only doing it for our own selfish personal feelings of accomplishment. Yet, even if we removed porn from the equation, these problems would still be present. Go watch some TV, read a magazine or listen to popular music and you'll see that this attitude is reflected everywhere. Remove porn, and people will be just as horny and sexually frustrated as ever, except they'll have no release. It's a cultural problem, and I will agree that it needs to be fixed to show that sex isn't everything, but it's not a problem caused by the porn industry itself.

Eman wrote:Anyway, I think the main arguments here are how porn objectifies sex and portrays men and women, as well as how sex is put on a pedestal as the only thing that we should strive to achieve, even if no emotion is present and we're only doing it for our own selfish personal feelings of accomplishment. Yet, even if we removed porn from the equation, these problems would still be present. Go watch some TV, read a magazine or listen to popular music and you'll see that this attitude is reflected everywhere. Remove porn, and people will be just as horny and sexually frustrated as ever, except they'll have no release. It's a cultural problem, and I will agree that it needs to be fixed to show that sex isn't everything, but it's not a problem caused by the porn industry itself.

Fantastically said mate I agree 100% with this.

Well, first of all, I agree with the main points Eman maid.
Secondly, I think the objectification of people is the main thing we need to look at here, that's what's bad. Striving to have sex, even if it's purely physical, is not something I regard as bad.

If people are happy being f*ck buddies, let them be. What I really dislike is looking at every human being only as a potential lay, that's what's wrong. And I think this is happening with or without porn.

rwo power wrote:

mamad wrote:I don't get it. people tell me you can't judge pornstars. why not?

why i can't judge a person who whores himself in front of camera for some cash and ends the month by getting F8cked by 15 men while all of them recorded?

Interesting question - why don't you judge a guy who do the same? Your wording nicely shows that your contempt only hits the women there. Why do you consider a woman who does that a whore, but not the guys? I think it shows a lot of the hypocrisy of the people here and the patriarchalic cultures we live in. Guys are supposedly entitled to have as many women as they want, but as soon as a women decides to do the same, she is "a whore" etc.

Completely different things.

I don't like to use such an anology, but; A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a mediocre lock. Moving away from layman's analogies.

Men and women, biologically, socially and psychologically are different. There is a reason why women can biologically lose their virginity while a man cannot. A man possess the seed which catalyses the nucleus of birth while the female is the subject of nurturing and nourishing the grain. There is a reason why our hormones produced from our pituitary gland gives us certain secondary cerebral and motor characteristics which separate ourselves from our polar gender, as otherwise we would be considered Unisex. What is wrong with society built out of patriarchy? These aren't double standards nor is this hypocrisy. These are timeless social and natural selections bred from centuries of evolutionary psychology in which has left a carbon character. Its only the evolution of social dynamics which has been impelled by our biological differences, and remaining primal instincts.

Nonetheless, I agree with you on the objectification of women which quite a backwards concept.


CBarca wrote

Also Arq, while I do agree with you in a lot of concepts you bring up, you're taking all of this way too far. Do you seriously think porn is that big of a problem? Honestly?

No CB, I don't see porn as such a problem yet I do see it as something that is a pointless waste of time that cannot contribute an iota to the personal growth and development of a human being.

Do you not like using such an analogy because of the inherent hypocrisy, or because of some other reason... like say, perhaps, it falls back into my previous point of dehumanizing people while (supposedly) trying to depend and better them?

RedOranje wrote:Do you not like using such an analogy because of the inherent hypocrisy, or because of some other reason... like say, perhaps, it falls back into my previous point of dehumanizing people while (supposedly) trying to depend and better them?

I am not aware of your previous point.

This analogy was simply to introduce a certain perspective in the most simple of manner and not to be used as a supporting point of my debate, as I stated already by my dislike of its utilization. Frankly I regret my lethargic tendencies in brining clichéd and tired analogies to introduce my points as it is.

people want to fu*k goodlooking women, people cant fu*k goodlooking women therefore fap to them through technology and not only, which gives you the oppotunity to have visual contact with any chick you like

what if pornography never existed? then them people either would sit humbly at home jerking off through imagination or settle with ugly females.

life is not easy, if you dont live life through the other side you will never understand, many factors take place in order to take action, succeed in doing it and accomplish your will at its maximum.

porn gives you a chance when you are hopeless, porn gives you joy even at its lowest form

viva pornography!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I sure hope you never change that username of yours

THC 10 wrote:I sure hope you never change that username of yours

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you can thank me later

who ever still wants to see that vid message me in personal

before i get banned

porn is great but there are negative stuff about it

i use porn often but it would be a lie to say it hasnt effected me negatively honestly. but it's far from disgusting or degrading for wimen, i'm pretty sure majority of them enjoy it and alot of pornstars lives has improved (aka rich and celebs). you have to think objectively mamad, you cant just assume the pornstars themselves feel what you feel towards their job

Idiot wrote:people want to fu*k goodlooking women, people cant fu*k goodlooking women therefore fap to them through technology and not only, which gives you the oppotunity to have visual contact with any chick you like

what if pornography never existed? then them people either would sit humbly at home jerking off through imagination or settle with ugly females.

life is not easy, if you dont live life through the other side you will never understand, many factors take place in order to take action, succeed in doing it and accomplish your will at its maximum.

porn gives you a chance when you are hopeless, porn gives you joy even at its lowest form

viva pornography!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep that name of yours suits you perfectly.

OT: Pretty much agree with Arq on this, I'll post my thoughts later today.

Idiot wrote:people want to fu*k goodlooking women, people cant fu*k goodlooking women therefore fap to them through technology and not only, which gives you the oppotunity to have visual contact with any chick you like

what if pornography never existed? then them people either would sit humbly at home jerking off through imagination or settle with ugly females.

life is not easy, if you dont live life through the other side you will never understand, many factors take place in order to take action, succeed in doing it and accomplish your will at its maximum.

porn gives you a chance when you are hopeless, porn gives you joy even at its lowest form

viva pornography!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sure you just proved my point on objectifying women.

Actually respect them and view them as human beings?

No! let's treat them as objects to be used for sex and classify them as 'ugly' and 'good looking'.

It's attitudes like this that result in teen bullying, peer pressure, and depression.