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Post by Art Morte Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:39 am

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Don't you remember we offered him to Fulham for Dempsey :facepalm:

We did? lol, no I don't, maybe I thought such rumours were rubbish drunken

I didn't think Henderson had that bad a season last season, he's got a fantastic attitude and I was confident he will improve and find his own game in a Liverpool shirt. Quite surprised to read that Rodgers planned to sell him in the summer, that would have been way too hasty a decision.

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Post by McAgger Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:42 pm

Liverpool defender Daniel Agger says Brendan Rodgers has made him fitter than he's been in years - by scaling back his training programme.

Rodgers' selective less-is-more approach is apparently paying dividends for other older Anfield players like Steven Gerrard, who has yet to miss a Premier League game this season.

"For me it's about being fit and I've been the fittest in years," Agger – the Denmark captain preparing for World Cup qualifiers against Czech Republic and Bulgaria – told Danish website sporten.dk, according to the Press Association.

"I have not missed a game because of an injury and I think that is the first time in my career.

"Brendan Rodgers is undoubtedly the reason I have played all the matches without injuries this year and I cannot be anything but pleased.

"I must give the new coaching team great credit for it, but especially the new manager gets the greatest credit for this.

"It is not I who can take these decisions, it is he who has decided to adjust my training specifically for me.

"The new coaching team have come up with a form of exercise taking into account the individual, and it is something I have needed.

"My training volume is scaled down and then I have an increased recovery period."

And that's the foundation for trophies in the future, according to Agger.

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"It is a club that will have trophies, I think it goes without saying," said the centre-back. "I believe it will come, of course. It will not be this year, because we are changing the style of play as we have not got the results we would have wanted but we have played well.

"There have been a few worries and it has something to do with stability and we must also have a bigger squad.

"These are the things we need to work towards next season.

"If we can keep the same level in more matches than we do this year it will look better for next season."

Kudos to Rodgers. Been very impressed with this myself.
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Post by Fahim89 Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:46 am

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Kudos to Rodgers. Been very impressed with this myself.

Yea i guess we had a similar discussion in some other thread regarding the fitness levels of players specially Agger & Gerrard. Brilliant job done by all involved staff & players ! !
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Post by RedOranje Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:02 am

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/03/injured-liverpool-youth-players-were-on-verge-of-first-team-call-up/

Only makes the injuries that much more frustrating. Sad
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Post by Art Morte Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:03 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/21/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-southampton

Rodgers: I would like a much stronger squad, but we have what we have.
What do you make of it?
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Post by El Jefe Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:52 pm

He spent £45 million this summer. If he wanted a stronger squad he could easily have had one.

Ilori, Aspas and Alberto might turn out to be decent players. But that's 20 million that could have gone on 2 very good midfield players. 10 on M'Vila, Capoue or Kondogbia and 10 on Eriksen.
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Post by RedOranje Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:52 pm

Given that he said DURING THE SUMMER that it would take several more windows to get the team into proper condition to challenge on multiple fronts and consistently be a favourite for a top 3/4 place, nothing. But hey, if you WANT to read something more into it go right ahead.
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Post by El Jefe Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:34 pm

Doesn't change the fact that we could have had a better squad if he targeted 2 or 3 important positions instead of buying average squad players.

He's saying that to buy himself another season or two.
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Post by RedOranje Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:47 pm

Sigh, same shit different post.
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Post by Art Morte Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:43 pm

Red "Everything is always just fine" Oranje

I had a dream where fifty RedOranjes had a forum and there was just one thread there in which there was one post that said "all's good, no need to post anything" and it was up-voted 49 times.
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Post by RedOranje Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:06 pm

Art "Ignore anything prior to the most recent post" Morte

See, I can do it too! Doesn't make it true or anything, but it's fun!
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Post by El Jefe Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:03 pm

RedOranje wrote:Sigh, same shit different post.
So do you HONESTLY think Rodgers couldn't have built a better squad with the £45 million he spent this summer?
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Post by McAgger Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:55 pm

El Jefe better players just don't want to come here mate. Not yet at least.
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Post by Red Alert Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:27 am

^ That's bullshit though.

Mkhitaryan wanted to come. He picked Dortmund unfortunately for us, but he was interested.
Eriksen wanted to come, he was overlooked for only Rodgers / the committee knows why.
Arda Turan was down...

And that's only the "number 10s".
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Post by Art Morte Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:02 am

Yeah, Tottenham didn't have CL but they brought in some nice players. Even the likes of Southampton and Norwich got a couple of decent players.

My problem with Rodgers saying "I'd like a much better squad but we have what we have" is that it's quite critical on the players and not very motivating to say that a few games into the season. Plus the squad isn't bad when we have everyone available, with our best XI I fancy our chances against anyone in the PL.

But of course the biggest irritation to me about that quote is that Rodgers did a fair bit of dealing in the summer, offloading a number of players and brought some in. It's early days, but both Aspas and Alberto play positions where we needed reinforcements in, especially after selling some players; if they're not good enough, it's Rodgers' own fault that his signings haven't strengthened the squad.
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Post by McAgger Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:44 pm

Didn't know where else to post this

Interesting piece on how great we could be.
http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9008210/Johnny-Nic

The sales of replica shirts are not much of a guide to anything, other than poor taste in clothing and the delusion that a football shirt is appropriate leisurewear for social occasions.

The most successful clubs usually sell the most shirts. Top of the list are Manchester United and Barcelona. Of course. What a surprise. Also in the top ten is famously potless failures Arsenal, which might be something of a surprise given their manager's inability, until this season, to realise he's been wrong all along and his critics right.

Arsenal's global appeal might be understandable considering their endless, if fruitless, Champions League qualifications and the league titles they won half a generation ago. However also in the top ten is Liverpool. The fact that Liverpool still pull in big shirt sales despite not even being near the top of the English game is a testament to how big a football name Liverpool remains. Other clubs in the top ten shirt sellers have a long list of major trophies in the last 20 years to support them, especially league titles, but Liverpool just have the Champions League. The last four years have been especially dispiriting dross, so these sales are not glory hunter sales. There's no glory in supporting Liverpool.

Watching the team play is monumentally frustrating. Half the bloody side look well off the standard required to be a top four club, half the side look good enough to be league champions. The manager seems to flip between being insightfully astute and being a potato-headed fool. He signs utter rubbish and top quality. Can he really spot a player that'll be any good for them in the Premier League or is it all just hit and miss luck? I mean Iago Aspas. Really?

Steven Gerrard, their totemic player, seems to go from being axiomatic fulcrum to being a redundant but un-droppable creaking hoofer trying to re-live former glories.

While being some way from being called a fan, like many people, I'm broadly pro-Liverpool and I'd like to see them do well, and that just makes watching them so carpet-chewingly frustrating. I'm not sure why I'm so affectionate towards them as I have no connection. Maybe it's all those glory nights in the 70s and 80s, maybe it's the fact that they still seem to be an old school working class club and less touched by corporate whoring than some (though not many), maybe it's the residue of my Rafa Benitez love making me feel all warm and fuzzy - and by the way, you should never have sacked him, never.

Whatever it is, I'm not alone. The continuing popularity of Liverpool is really quite a phenomenon in these fickle, success-chasing times. That Champions League trophy must have helped sustain global interest in them but that was eight years ago now, and eight years is a long time in modern football.

With no league title for a generation, it'd been easy to imagine them becoming also-rans but they haven't. Go anywhere in the world and Liverpool are still big news. They have supporters clubs all across the globe and are especially popular in Scandinavia.

This popularity has been sustained on almost no success so presumably it is rooted in some sort of genuine empathy for the club and its history. So imagine how massive Liverpool would become if they won a league title or won in Europe again and began to do this more regularly. There is a widespread, casual interest in Liverpool, a default to goodwill such as my own which would flourish into outright support where they to become properly successful again. The riches that await a successful Liverpool are phenomenal and would be on a scale unimagined by pretenders like money-bags Manchester City and Chelsea.

A resurgent Liverpool FC would even be good for world football, as one of the Big Beasts would be back on the biggest stage and going toe-to-toe with other big names of world football. Anfield would once again become a place to intimidate and inspire rather than the apologetic, quiet stadium it all too often is today. Clubs like City and Chelsea can spend their billions in order to be successful but they're a long way from attracting the kind of warmth and affection that many hold for Liverpool. Either would struggle to maintain popularity without trophies. Liverpool seem to sustain on nothing more than the fumes left behind after success has driven away.

I wonder if the club's owners really grasp how big Liverpool could become. They've sunk decent money in - much of it wasted by poor managerial judgement - but nowhere near enough to transform the club into title challengers. The cultural and sporting power of a successful Liverpool would be licence to print money and would, in the long-term, repay almost any degree of investment. The worry, of course, is that Brendan is a bit too...well...Brendan-ish to know what the hell to do with a lot of investment.

For all of the mickey-taking we do about him, rather like the club itself, a lot of observers would rather like Rodgers to do well and to prove that his ideas about how football should be played and how to go about rebuilding a big club, are right. But are they? When you see them fail to compete properly against Arsenal on almost any level, it's natural to have a lot of doubt.

I just can't understand why Liverpool still have so many average players in their squad and why they even get a game. It suggests that the owners don't yet have real faith either in their acquisition as a money-earner or their manager as a visionary. There's probably no other club on earth that could generate the income that Liverpool could once they are successful. If the owners dumped half a billion quid into the club over the next three or four years, they'd have it all back and much more within the decade.

It's all there for Liverpool. They're forever on the brink of being the biggest club on the planet. Then they take to the pitch and you realise how far away this really still is. It does my bloody head in, so God knows what it must be like for a Liverpool fan.
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Post by Helmer Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:44 pm

McAgger wrote:
Watching the team play is monumentally frustrating. Half the bloody side look well off the standard required to be a top four club, half the side look good enough to be league champions. The manager seems to flip between being insightfully astute and being a potato-headed fool. He signs utter rubbish and top quality. Can he really spot a player that'll be any good for them in the Premier League or is it all just hit and miss luck? I mean Iago Aspas. Really?
sums up my feeling really...btw great read :bow:

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Post by Helmer Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:41 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2501321/Steven-Gerrard-exclusive-I-want-make-England-proud-again.html#ixzz2kO5qViG5
must read :coffee:
Stevie in an interview wrote:‘Listen, he’s entitled to his  opinion,’ says Gerrard. ‘I’m a fan of his; he is one of the best managers in the world. I won’t lose any sleep over it. Throughout my career I have had praise from all types of people - including him - and I am not vain enough to take it all. I have had some unbelievable praise from him and he tried to buy me, certainly on one occasion. Maybe even two.

‘For me, the most important thing is what Brendan Rodgers and Roy Hodgson are thinking. I think they are really pleased with me and that is all I will worry about.
:bow: the part of the interview which I liked the most

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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:32 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25158730

"I look at Steven and I think he can play as a number two centre-half later in his career," the Reds boss said.

"You play against teams where they've got one up [front] and I think he can play as a right-sided centre-half."

"[He could] build the game from behind," said Rodgers. "How he passes the ball is as good as anyone in the world, short and long.

"So it's a possibility that he could go on, but it will all be determined by fitness.

"He is 34 at the end of this season, and I look at his fitness and I look at how he is playing and he is as fit as he has ever been. He is looking after himself.

"That player he was 10 years ago, dynamic and making those long bursting runs, of course that goes out of your game."

Well, it's a semi-interesting thought. One that's been floated about here by someone, if I recall correctly.

But I have to say that Gerrard appears too error-prone to me to be center-back. And probably not physical enough.

Also one could ponder whether this is a subtle hint by Rodgers that he's willing to try out midfield combinations without Gerrard in them hmm
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