Re: This is the best German NT ever

by justdoit_ Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:30 pm

Joachim will run out the '10 South Africa crew in Ukraine/Poland (besides a few changes in the defense) again. My guess, at least.

by Die Borussen Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:40 pm

eduardo

coentrao,pepe,alves,costa

veloso,moutinho,quaresma,meireles

goat, nani, postiga, varela, vieirinha,almeida

what spanishgerman crap r u talking about? this is the real deal

by Ganso Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:41 pm

juventus101 wrote:Do you want to go through it?

Neuer and Casillas, forarguments sake, are even. Then Ter Stegen has been better than Reina, and then Germany have by far better depth in keepers.

Lahm is better than Ramos, and then all Spain have is Pique, Arbeloa, and Puyol that are even worth mentioning. Germany have Hummels, Mertesacker, Howedes, Boateng, and Badstuber. Germany 2-0 Spain so far.

Midfield is pretty even. Schweini, Ozil, Kroos, Khedira, Ballack/Benders and Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Busquets, Alonso. So lets say 3-1.

Then attackers Spain have Silva, Villa, Mata, Pedro, and Navas. Villa is completely off form remember and has been for a while even before he got injured. I would personally take Gotze, Podolski, Reus, Muller, and Schurrle over them any day. Now 4-1.

Then thr big center forwards. Mario Gomez is the best in the world, and Klose on his national team form is among the best as well, especially as hes been great for Lazio as well this season. Plus Helmes, Kiessling, and Cacau are all consistent strikers. Llorente, Soldado, and Torres (who cant score, and has always been below par for Spain), are great, but they cantcompete with that. Plus Soldado and Llorente are completely unproven for Spain.

So it ends Germany 5-1 Spain in individual quality. And then you have to remember that alot of the Germans havebeen around for a long time already and know how to play together (Podolski, Schweini, Lahm, Mertesacker, Klose, Gomez), and even the "new guys" have mostly been around for about 2 years already. Its only really some of thedepth players like Gundogan and Reus that are really new. But in one game for Germany, Reus performed very well. So Germany also has better chemistry.

And btw, im not a Germany fanboy at all. I like them, but im actually Italian. Italy comes first.

stopped reading right there

by juventus101 Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:55 pm

Delusional? How so? What that I said is not true?

And yea, Podolski and Muller will always start, Boateng for the NT will probably play as a leftback, and with Merte injured for such a long time and Badstuber on such good form, Badstuber will probably slot in next to Hummels. And with Kroos in such great form, its hard to ignore him, so he could get the start ahead of Khedirs. The team for the Euro will probably look something like this:

--Neuer--
--Lahm-- --Hummels-- --Badstuber-- --Boateng--
--Schweinsteiger-- --Khedira/Kroos--
----Muller---- ----Ozil---- ----Podolski----
--Klose--

And why dont you stop giving ignorant comments, and start explaining why you disagree.

by Ganso Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Im the one being ignorant?you think that Ozil,Khedira and Schweni are better than Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets,Xabi and David Silva?

by Sushi Master Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:10 pm

On paper... maybe.

Not convinced until they actually win some titles.

by vivabarca38 Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:20 pm

Btw Spain's should Be like this:
Goalkeepers:Casillas,Reina,Valdes,Iraizoz,Diego Lopez,De Gea
Defenders:Ramos,Alba,Enrique,Natxo Monreal,Pique,Puyol,Iraola,Albiol,Arbeloa
Midfielders:Martinez,Thiago,Canales,Herrera,Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets,Mata,Pedro,Cazorla,Isco,Arteta,Munain,Silva,Fabregas etc.....
Strikers:Villa,Soldado,Raul,Negredo,Torres,Llorente
Some players havent been called up recently but you can see the depth there.I must of forgot some players aswell.

by VivaStPauli Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:20 pm

deadrave wrote:eduardo

coentrao,pepe,alves,costa

veloso,moutinho,quaresma,meireles

goat, nani, postiga, varela, vieirinha,almeida

what spanishgerman crap r u talking about? this is the real deal

Gonna be last in the group. Portugal always chokes. :coffee:

by The Messiah Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Spain has a stronger team, but Germany just have better prospect.

Muller always starts for Germany, he's different when he plays for Germany

by VivaStPauli Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:23 pm

Ganso wrote:Im the one being ignorant?you think that Ozil,Khedira and Schweni are better than Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets,Xabi and David Silva?

Well, of course they aren't, that's 3 Germans against 5 Spaniards. :vagi:

Chuck in Kroos and Götze, though, and ze Germans have a decent argument that they're pretty even nowadays.

by Die Borussen Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:24 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
deadrave wrote:eduardo

coentrao,pepe,alves,costa

veloso,moutinho,quaresma,meireles

goat, nani, postiga, varela, vieirinha,almeida

what spanishgerman crap r u talking about? this is the real deal

Gonna be last in the group. Portugal always chokes.

nah denmark will finish last

by juventus101 Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:25 pm

Ganso wrote:Im the one being ignorant?you think that Ozil,Khedira and Schweni are better than Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets,Xabi and David Silva?

I said the midfields were even. Schweinsteiger, Ozil, Khedira, Kroos, Gotze are on the same level as those guys, yes.

by Ganso Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:26 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Ganso wrote:Im the one being ignorant?you think that Ozil,Khedira and Schweni are better than Xavi,Iniesta,Busquets,Xabi and David Silva?

Well, of course they aren't, that's 3 Germans against 5 Spaniards. :vagi:

Chuck in Kroos and Götze, though, and ze Germans have a decent argument that they're pretty even nowadays.

Even if you add those guys,Spain's midfield is better...

And I wrote those 5 players because Spain plays with 4-5 midfielders while germany plays with 3

by juventus101 Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:30 pm

No, those 5 Spaniards are not better than those 5 Germans. Theyre equal. Theyhave equal midfields, equal starting GKs, but Germany has better depth overall, better defense, and better attackers.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:32 pm

juventus101 wrote:And btw, im not a Germany fanboy at all. I like them, but im actually Italian. Italy comes first.

This made me laugh. 1/2 the threads you start are about a german player.

by VivaStPauli Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:32 pm

Ganso wrote:
Even if you add those guys,Spain's midfield is better...

And I wrote those 5 players because Spain plays with 4-5 midfielders while germany plays with 3

I assume you mean because you count Müller and GODolski as strikers/forwards?
But Spain play Xaviesta + one holding gremlin as well, right? It's not as they've got the magical CM-that-roams-the-wings, do they?

The three-man pivot is equal, Xaviesta are boss, but tbh Özilsteiger aren't any worse, considering Germany plays more direct anyway, and having Kroos or Khedira as the third player in the midfield spine doesn't hurt either, one has incredible close control and distribution, the other runs and tackles like a one-man buffalo stampede. Don't really see the huge inferiority to Spain, TBH. Germany wouldn't be as good at Tiki-Taka, but they don't want ot be either.

by Ganso Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:33 pm

juventus101 wrote:No, those 5 Spaniards are not better than those 5 Germans. Theyre equal. Theyhave equal midfields, equal starting GKs, but Germany has better depth overall, better defense, and better attackers.

khedira=busquets,scweinteiger=xabi,kroos=xavi,ozil=iniesta,gotze=silva

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by Le Samourai Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:37 pm

I seriously hate the way Juventus101 analyses the game.

It just plain pisses me off.

Why do you insist on breaking down teams on these levels and ranking individual ability.It has no meaning.

by rwo power Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:38 pm

StrugaRock wrote:
--------------Neuer
Lahm-Hummels-Boateng-Schmelzer
----Schweinsteiger-Kros/Bender
Reus------------Ozil---------------Gotze
-----------------Gomez
??

Löw will never start Hummels before Badstuber as Hummels is still a liability in NT/CL matches. It is more likely to see Badstuber+Boateng, especially as they already play together at Bayern.

by The Messiah Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:38 pm

Ganso wrote:khedira=busquets,scweinteiger=xabi,kroos=xavi,ozil=iniesta,gotze=silva

more like.

Khedira>>>>>Biscuit(proved it yesterday)
Schweini>>>>Xabi (yes Schweini is much more Complete)
Kroos>>>>Xavi (deal with it)
Oezil====Iniesta(proved it yesterday)
Gotze====Silva

by The Messiah Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:40 pm

rwo power wrote:
StrugaRock wrote:
--------------Neuer
Lahm-Hummels-Boateng-Schmelzer
----Schweinsteiger-Kros/Bender
Reus------------Ozil---------------Gotze
-----------------Gomez
??
Löw will never start Hummels before Badstuber as Hummels is still a liability in NT/CL matches. It is more likely to see Badstuber+Boateng, especially as they already play together at Bayern.

Badstuber fangirl.. Laughing

What's bad about it if Hummels starts ahead of Badstuber, why do you feel you always have to stand up for him.

by Ganso Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:40 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
Ganso wrote:khedira=busquets,scweinteiger=xabi,kroos=xavi,ozil=iniesta,gotze=silva

more like.

Khedira>>>>>Biscuit(proved it yesterday)
Schweini>>>>Xabi (yes Schweini is much more Complete)
Kroos>>>>Xavi (deal with it)
Oezil====Iniesta(proved it yesterday)
Gotze====Silva

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by rwo power Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:42 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
rwo power wrote:
StrugaRock wrote:
--------------Neuer
Lahm-Hummels-Boateng-Schmelzer
----Schweinsteiger-Kros/Bender
Reus------------Ozil---------------Gotze
-----------------Gomez
??
Löw will never start Hummels before Badstuber as Hummels is still a liability in NT/CL matches. It is more likely to see Badstuber+Boateng, especially as they already play together at Bayern.

Badstuber fangirl..

What's bad about it if Hummels starts ahead of Badstuber, why do you feel you always have to stand up for him.

You can accuse Löw of being a Badstuber fanboy then. I just wrote what I see Löw do. Razz

by ioilersrock448 Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:43 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
rwo power wrote:
StrugaRock wrote:
--------------Neuer
Lahm-Hummels-Boateng-Schmelzer
----Schweinsteiger-Kros/Bender
Reus------------Ozil---------------Gotze
-----------------Gomez
??
Löw will never start Hummels before Badstuber as Hummels is still a liability in NT/CL matches. It is more likely to see Badstuber+Boateng, especially as they already play together at Bayern.

Badstuber fangirl..

What's bad about it if Hummels starts ahead of Badstuber, why do you feel you always have to stand up for him.

I still hold out hope that Mertesacker recovers. He isn't the most talented centre back but he does bring experience to a youthful team. Move Lahm to the left and Boateng to the right.

Neuer
Boateng-Badstuber-Mertesacker-Lahm

by juventus101 Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:43 pm

I dont. All I did was said Germany hasmore individual quality than any.other team, but I never said thats the sole reason why theyre the best in my opinion. I made it clear that ialso think that Germany has the best chemistry.

And I make alot.of threads about german players because theyre the most underrated so I want to know how people rate them.

by The Messiah Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:44 pm

for me

-----------------Neuer----------------
Howedes--Boateng--Hummels---Lahm

Loew already said Lahm wouldn't be moved

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