EarlyPrototype wrote:The thing is Zealous, Benzema has way more potential than Higuain

No he *bleep* doesn't.

The Madrid One wrote:benzema will destroy higuian, there is no looking back for benz.

may the goal storm and shit storm begin.

35+ goals is a guarantee.

The only guarantee is how awful your predictions are.

Come on I know you are a huge fan of Higgy, but you gotta admit that Benzema more all rounded and has a higher ceiling.

His link up with Ozil and Ronaldo is priceless.

Zealous wrote:I don't hate Benzema, I actually like him a lot more than some other guys on the team. What I do hate is the idea that he is such a great player and world beater. Someone tried to argue with me that he was the 2nd best player in the world after Messi FFS.

I hate that he gets the push from a lot of people in the club even he did nothing for us. The guy who deserves the push and support of the club is Gonzalo *bleep* Higuain. He's done more for this club than Benzema, Ronaldo, Ozil etc. Yet he has to do it on his own without half the support that spoiled man child Benzema gets.

A great example is how Zidane sent him to this special fitness complex in Italy to get the fat ass back into shape. Why can't Higuain get to go there as well?

You have the club website post BS articles about how Benzema is the world's pre-season top scorer (Like that is supposed to mean anything when the only teams we have faced so far have been pub teams). I have never seen a player do so little and yet get such a strong push from the club. He's been just handed an opportunity, an opportunity that I (and others) feel he has done nothing to earn.

You can argue that he's gotten his act together (after some Jose mindfucking) but my response would be "about damn time".

If it wasn't for Valdano/Mourinho, Perez would have sold Gonzalo by now for no *bleep* reason other than that he was not signed by someone named Florentino.

Benzema better have the season of his *bleep* life because lord knows he's been given way more help and support than his predecessors in his position.

Damn *bleep* right.

Comparing them is silly right now.

Whatever I say I will come off as the bitter one at this point considering Benzema's form. Benzema is in better form, for me that's it when it comes to the whole who should start debate.

But what I will not concede is that he is a better player or can be. For me at least and at RealMadrid Club de Football he isn't yet and not you or his legion of fans who jumped on the Madrid Bandwagon (and who would have been die hard cules had he went to Barcelona) say.

Zealous wrote: Someone tried to argue with me that he was the 2nd best player in the world after Messi FFS.

Lol nick, i have been thinking about this since the start of preseason, he is a transformed player.

He is the most all rounded Striker in the world.

He is scoring and/or assisting in every game he plays, if he doesnt get injured in get in to deep shit form, then there is a possiblity he gets 35+ goals.

But i have a feeling he will get injured in the middle of the season and loose form after that.

But if he doesnt then its 30+ for sure. with 15-20 Assists too.

@nick

Benzema is second on the castrol rankings. He said I should take it seriously in a statistical sense so statistically speaking he is number 2 in the world.

It's in one of the million threads Benzema gets (another thing I dislike about him)

Zealous wrote:Benzema is second on the castrol rankings. He said I should take it seriously in a statistical sense.

It's in one of the million threads Benzema gets (another thing I dislike about him)

was that turok? because he is too biased to be taken seriously about benzema.

I forgot who but it wasn't turok.

SuperMag... Rooney > Benz

When it comes to being all rounded, in fact in everything.

Zealous wrote:I forgot who but it wasn't turok.

It was the French man...

No. It was someone else and I commented. Don'tvremember who originally posted it.

Wasn't sport.

He likes Benz but he isn't insane LOL

sportsczy wrote:No. It was someone else and I commented. Don'tvremember who originally posted it.

I probably should have, you know, researched first. Hrealmadrid (or something) was the one, not the French man (it wasn't an argument but more a civil disagreement over opinion and statistics). The phrase "I'm sorry" would apply right about now...

and by the way... Nobody argued that Benz was the second best player in the world. All Castrol rankings do is rate recent statistics. Currently, he's the second best player int he world statistically.

If some of you can't understand the difference, I don't know what to say.

And people make it sound like Benz has been here 5 years, failed 3-4 and is finally coming together all while he was in his prime. That is a complete fallacy. He was bought at the age of 21 for his potential to become a world beater... Not because he was the best in the world when we bought him. Well, it took him a year to adapt. At the age of 23, he's already put together a 26 goal and 8 assist season despite the mindfucking.

To me, he is right on schedule. Mou and Madrid are excited because he is working out like they had hoped. That's why he's getting the hype.

And i'll add this... Sahin was bought with the same thought. He's not a WC playmaker right now. He's very good; but he will have an adaptation period. Will we all jump on him if he struggles a bit in his first year? How about Neymar? If we get him this summer, he will be 20 (only a year younger than Benz when we bought him)... will we jump on him if he's not looking like the next Messi in his first year?

Sometimes, i'm amazed at people's attitudes.

P.S. no worries doc. I like to argue lol.

EarlyPrototype wrote:SuperMag... Rooney > Benz

When it comes to being all rounded, in fact in everything.

Yes, phyiscally ronney is a total striker and a beast. but remember how we always said that benz is not a number 9.

Ronney is even more complicated number 9. He wont score a goal every other game.

Nice try trying to sell the whole statistics thing. Benzema being second on that list means exactly zero. He's not the second best player on the team let alone the world. Castrol bullshit or not.

As for Sahin, he isn't being hyped to high heaven though and we didn't sign him for 30+ Million Euro. Also he isn't taking a starters place for no reason.

You can bet your ass I'll rip him to pieces though if he's crashing cars getting and involved with underage hookers.

Like I said I'm don't have anything against Benzema. I'm just sick of the baby sitting and undeserved pushes he's received.

Time to put or go home for him. The only reason he made it to his third year is because of Perez's ego because lord knows any other president would have sold him after his first year. Especially since Barcelona dropped Ibra like a bad habit.

Quite a few Real fans expected a lot from Benzema. Not to say he had it tough like Anelka did, the club really went out of its way to accommodate his acclimatization process. So when you see him under perform for a year and a half, the manager literally having to call him in the press on a few occasions and of course, his madness outside the football field, chances are, they are quite a few fans who are going to be skeptical with him even now.

I'm glad he gotten back his form and looks a better player and truthfully, he earned his spot but forgive me if I don't sing his praises to the moon and the stars. I don't trust him as I would trust Higuain. Nothing personal really.

As for the Sahin and Neymar quip, chances are you're gonna find gents who are realistic in their thinking and then you'll find guys who are not so realistic. You are football fan longer than me so you should understand how fandom generally works...

With all due respect Z, you're full of shit here. Look up the word "statistics" and "statistical model" and figure it out from there. Based on the statistical model devised by Castrol, he's #2. As i (and others) keep saying, it doesn't measure his overall value as a footballer. It's just a statistical model, nothing more nothing less.

Regarding the hooker, the police found that Benz had nothing to do with her and it's awful that you keep bringing it up. She was just trying to get publicity by implicating him.

We payed 35 million, not because he was a ballon d'or winner or a WC striker, but because he was the best young striker in the world and was only 21 years old. Blame Madrid, not Benz. If you're angry about it, send Flo an email.

Only reason he made it to his 3rd year was because of Flo and his ego??? Are u serious???????? He scored 26 goals and 8 assists at the age of 23 in his second season at Madrid. Find the number of 23 year old players that scored as many or more in major European leagues last year. I'll save you the trouble... there's only Aguero and Aguero played a lot more.

I'm done with this.

sportsczy wrote:
I'm done with this.

You have any stats to prove that?

SuperMAG wrote:He is scoring and/or assisting in every game he plays, if he doesnt get injured in get in to deep shit form, then there is a possiblity he gets 35+ goals.

Against legendary sides such as Tianjing Teda, Los Angeles Galaxy, La Liga relegation candidates, and Galatasaray?

I'm with Zeal on this. The praise Benzema is getting is too much. For what? Having a good preseason? Benzema has had these before too...

I can be forgiving but a good preseason is not enough. (but he did OK vs Barca, needs to improve the heading tho)

you guys sound like Benzema was jack s@#t last season.

good preseason only means that at a personal level he is feeling great. He solved all the issue he had, and he showed he could play in europe and la liga, and do well in both.

why not expect him to have a good season? not to mention two back to back great performances against barcelona.

you guys sound like since he arrived in madrid, all he did was having a good preseason.

No one complained when he buried sevilla in copa, when he did the same against lyon; took over our attaking game in march-april.

Zealous wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:The thing is Zealous, Benzema has way more potential than Higuain

No he *bleep* doesn't.

Benzema has far more talent than higuain, there is no question to this.

This sadly is the case of Talent (Benzema) Vs Hardwork (Higuain). Potentially Benz easily beats pipa becuz of the differences here.

The problem with Higuain is that unlike Benzema, he had work real hard to get to where he is at... Which is the problem: The Main Reason Why Higuain has an Amazing WorkRate/Ethic to begin with is precisely becuz of what he LACKS. He isnt like Benzema, who despite beign a lazy ass some time ago, has better ball control, better dribbling, better passing, better etc. and this is exactly the problem for Higuain. He lacked too much. Hard work can only compensate for talent for so much, sooner or later he will hit a point where no amount of hard work will work anymore. he will hit a limit where his growth will reach an end, and where the only thing hard work is gonna do is to ensure that he doesnt degrade any further since its only gonna be downhill from that point on.

when do people hit this frakking wall? it varies but from wut my older bro says, he hit the wall two years ago at the end of 09-10 season. I personally dont believe he has hit his wall yet but he will soon enough. age doesnt really matter here since hitting this imaginary wall can happen anytime regardless of young or old. young example being bojan, hit it too soon. ones who never hit however is Maldini who despite retiring at like 40+ years of age was still one of the best cb around. one who works hard but already hit his wall u all know who he is: Lass is another example.

This is inevitable. even the talented are not immune to this wall. it can hit them as well. but the likelyhood of it isnt as bad as it is for the hardworkers who started with nothing vs the ones who started with a thing or two. Thankfully, Benzema is far away from this wall unlike Higuain which ultimately gives Benzema a great advantage over Higuain in terms of Potential.

I cud go further but then i might as well do a separate thread and do an article on this.
Hard work can only take one so far...

Not to discredit Higuain, he made considerable progress, but he has alot against him. That back injury was the last thing he needed...

Too much bias in here

Guys for now we really can't depend on higgy to be our main striker, he needs time to recover so lets leave it at that. No higgy is leaving discussions, no benz is better than him.

Who will be our striker then? Benz of coarse. Unlike last season when he was given the chance he blew it. Although he slowly started to show up having 3 consecutive braces which was great, he got injured again. For now he has done what all of us has hoped for, he shined when given the chance. Does it mean he's the better striker? No it doesn't, but it does mean we now have another guy in our squad who can score bucket loads of goals when needed, like Ronaldo. Last season it was higgy before his injury, this season it should be Benz if he keeps his form.

That's it really. I hope he doesn't get injured in the next international week. Damn I hate FIFA and their stupid scheduling.

He can get past the 30 goals mark especially with the service he gets. I think it will eat from Ronaldo's goals [unless he becomes a beast, scoring several hattricks in a month ]