Lucas back in trainings next week

by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:02 am

now that's a fantasitc attitude, awesome Twisted Evil

by Red Alert Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:07 am

Leiva is Fowler. Twisted Evil

by nj Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:17 pm

tbh i would have prefered he took a longer rest.

1st its for him: we all know he will be one of the mosts used players this season so a good rest cant only be a good thing for his body.

2nd: those pre-season games & few PL games he would have missed would have meant more chances for a few of our many midfielders to try prove themselves more to Kenny (thinking of Aqua, Meireles...)

but i guess he feels he dont need more rest and wants to show a good attitude.
good

by Ali Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:09 pm

wow...hes working so hard, really changed his reputation!

by poolsupporter Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:45 pm

ali8775 wrote:wow...hes working so hard, really changed his reputation!

Changed? What was his reputation before?

by Ali Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:48 pm

poolsupporter wrote:
ali8775 wrote:wow...hes working so hard, really changed his reputation!

Changed? What was his reputation before?

there was a time when he complete crap lol

by poolsupporter Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:25 pm

ali8775 wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:
ali8775 wrote:wow...hes working so hard, really changed his reputation!

Changed? What was his reputation before?

there was a time when he complete crap lol

His ability as a player has changed then. His reputation has always been solid. Your statement just makes it seem like he didn't train hard when he first arrived.

by Ali Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:42 pm

oh I didn't mean that, I meant like he went from having the reputation of a crap player, to the reputation of a fantastic player Wink

by poolsupporter Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:37 am

ali8775 wrote:oh I didn't mean that, I meant like he went from having the reputation of a crap player, to the reputation of a fantastic player

I get what you mean. However, I must say that I never thought he was a crap player. Ever since he was bought, he's been played outside his natural position. This has been evident any time he has had the freedom to move forward.

Either way. Glad to know he's back and willing to train hard. Hopefully we see that consistent improvement yet again this season.

by nj Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:38 am

poolsupporter wrote:Ever since he was bought, he's been played outside his natural position. This has been evident any time he has had the freedom to move forward.

but as of today, CDM has became his natural position tho, right?

cause its true as a youngster at Gremio he was an Att Mid/B2B mid, and at Pool there is the odd games where he played good when played in that position (vs Atleti & Lille),
but tbh, today he doenst seems to have the creativity, shooting ability (big time!!), the ability to make more adventurous passes, the vision....to play higher in the pitch (as a AM/B2B).

he has been turned into a good CDM (given that his qualities today are good placement, interception, short range passing....)
players can develop and change.

but if up there you were saying that today he is still being played out of position, thats not true imo.

by poolsupporter Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:02 pm

nj wrote:
poolsupporter wrote:Ever since he was bought, he's been played outside his natural position. This has been evident any time he has had the freedom to move forward.
but as of today, CDM has became his natural position tho, right?

cause its true as a youngster at Gremio he was an Att Mid/B2B mid, and at Pool there is the odd games where he played good when played in that position (vs Atleti & Lille),
but tbh, today he doenst seems to have the creativity, shooting ability (big time!!), the ability to make more adventurous passes, the vision....to play higher in the pitch (as a AM/B2B).

he has been turned into a good CDM (given that his qualities today are good placement, interception, short range passing....)
players can develop and change.

but if up there you were saying that today he is still being played out of position, thats not true imo.

I was just commenting about his first and second years with us. He is now a full on DM though. And he does a great job at it. Back then however, he was often hated on when played out of position. I do feel he still makes some great passes. He doesn't have the range of passing Alonso or even Charlie Adam have, but his vision is good. He's had a couple of assists in his time with us. His shooting is on the weaker side.