Re: What SHOULD Happen Official Thread

[VanDeezNuts]

I'm with sports.

It's about finding the right combination of players that we have at our disposal.

We are going to have to wait (maybe forever) for a quality coach/manager who could implement an actual philosophy.

For the time being we just need to get the starting XIs right, and clearly Benitez is not capable of doing that.

[Clutch]

Almost never in sports where I have seen one player completley ruin a team and is the reason why the team is not very successful. With that being said, Ronaldo deserves some blame but putting it all on him is laughable. He hinders the team in some aspects but lets be real, we didnt lose 4-0 because of Ronaldo . We have many problems on this team and I hope we fix it sooner than later

[Mr Nick09]

I'm with sports.

It's about finding the right combination of players that we have at our disposal.

We are going to have to wait (maybe forever) for a quality coach/manager who could implement an actual philosophy.

For the time being we just need to get the starting XIs right, and clearly Benitez is not capable of doing that.

i disagree with you, he is very capable of doing that. But there are way too many politics in his way.

[FennecFox7]

I'm not Ronaldo's biggest fan right now but I just can't logically put the loss on him. He actually had an okay game. those tactics were disgusting. I've never seen a manager mess up so bad, it looked like perez's dream line up.

We just need to stick with one of the BBC. And I'd rather stick with a club legend like CR then Benzema or Bale. If a manager can't control him, then we might as well get rid of all three.

Like sports said, we will never have a true philosophy. We are all about immediate results for the better or for the worse and I don't see that changing sadly.

But like come on, there's a difference between bringing in bale who sucks dick, and bringing in ozil, who was way cheaper and much better for us.

But here's the thing. Ancelotti did fine with him last season and in our CL winning season.

And by last seasons standards, we are doing WAY worse..

[Freeza]

Laudrup is without a job if people want Benitez fired

[Mamad]

Every time Modric, James or Kroos had the ball, Ronaldo was near Benzema. 10 CM away from each other.

that's playing with 10 men. that's the basics really. why they were near each other every time we had the ball?

he doesn't like to be the striker yet he puts his foot in the shoe of Benzema or whoever the striker is.

Ronaldo is something strange. he is 30% winger, 30% ST and 40% CF. only to get goals. it is destroying the team.

And *bleep* you Perez.

[jibers]

I'm not Ronaldo's biggest fan right now but I just can't logically put the loss on him. He actually had an okay game. those tactics were disgusting. I've never seen a manager mess up so bad, it looked like perez's dream line up.

We just need to stick with one of the BBC. And I'd rather stick with a club legend like CR then Benzema or Bale. If a manager can't control him, then we might as well get rid of all three.

Like sports said, we will never have a true philosophy. We are all about immediate results for the better or for the worse and I don't see that changing sadly.

But like come on, there's a difference between bringing in bale who sucks dick, and bringing in ozil, who was way cheaper and much better for us.

But here's the thing. Ancelotti did fine with him last season and in our CL winning season.

And by last seasons standards, we are doing WAY worse..

Funny you say that. My Madrid mate who might join this forum, am actual Madrid person that has a season ticket to the bernabeu said a lot of Madrid fans don't like Ronaldo and don't consider him a legend and want him sold.

When all he does is walk and use others so he can stat pad and he literally offer nothing in the defensive or build of phase but just taps in chances created for him. CR is a cancer to Madrid and perhaps, he better than any other player epitomises what Madrid has become under Perez. He is the Galactico concept in physical form.

As Mamad said he is not a winger because he does not provide width, chase the opposition fb or put in crosses from wide, he is not a #9 as we saw because his movement for a CF is terrible and he can't play with back to goal and he is not a support striker because...well...he is the supported striker. He takes away from Benzemas game as he has to create space for CR and he makes the LB overloaded and the opposition always has numerical superiority in MF.

Benzema and Bale were both unfit last night so they were understandable, CR has been fresh and he has been going around Europe promoting his movie. Neymar and Suarez both worked their socks off. Attitude is a massive problem. At least Mou did not take this BS for all his antics.

Yet he occupies the space of the winger and the SS leading to Madrid always having numerical deficiencies in multiple positions. He cause a structural problem for Madrid. A Madrid legend that has led Madrid to 1 la liga title in 7 years on course to be Madrid's worse return since the Di Stefano era.

I would do what Sports said, get rid of CR and get a recognized #9 whose job is to score. I would Make Hames the #10 and give him a free role as he is the only player on the team capable of matching Neymar and Messi in terms of one on ones and individual quality. Put Bale on the left, get a RW and start Casemiro and Modric together.

The club culture has to change, Perez needs to gtfo. His galacticos policy has poisoned Madrid where these players cannot be coached.

[futbol_bill]

I'm with Nick on this.

But to change things we not only need to get rid of Ronaldo, we need to get rid of Flo as well. It is he that keeps buying the latest galactico and it he that forces the current coach to play the overpaid, overrated bums.

As to what kind of identity we should have, let's take a closer look at what players we do have. We do have 4 really good midfielders and overall, barring a few glaring occasional flaws, our defense bar Danilo and Arbeloa is more than adequate. We do need better backups at both laterals, but defense is not the problem.

We have 2 really great AMs and we have another real promising one in waiting at Espanyol. Why we don't take advantage of that is because of the 3 primadonnas on the team and Flo's insistence on them playing. I mean just compare our BBC to MSN individually and collectively and it's clear as day as to the difference.

If it was up to me, I would play a 4-3-2-1. That not only would dominate the midfield, it takes advantage of Isco and James (plus Asensio). But to do this means getting rid of not only Ronaldo (and Flo), but Bale and Benz and in return we need a proper striker not one who thinks they can play as a 10 or as an AM.

IMO that's what should happen, but I think we all know what is going to happen. We will recover enough against lessor teams to go far in Liga, Copa and CL but end up short against big teams. Coach will be dumped, possibly Ronaldo and Benz may go and Flo goes off and brings in next sucker for coach, and brings in the next two galacticos regardless of where they might fit into team.

[futbol_bill]

JIbers, for once I'll agree with you (and no I'm not the friend from Madrid). I have one observation from yesterday that clearly demonstrates how much Ronaldo has lost it this year. Several times yesterday we were countering and when the forward pass went to Ronaldo and what did he do? - He stopped running killing the team forward momentum. Why because he doesn't have the speed anymore and ends up doing a ridiculous feint and then passes the ball away thereby completely blowing the forward momentum. This demonstrates not only is he a defensive liability but an offensive one as well yet alone how little regard he has to his teammates.

[rwo power]

I absolutely agree with Hans here.

I know that quite some people ridiculed me when I said a while ago (at least 2 or 3 years already) that I wouldn't want to see CR7 in any team I like.

By now people obviously noticed the problem he poses - a primadonna like him who thinks he is better (or rather more important) than the team just doesn't have a place in a team sport.

[sportsczy]

You and i both two... I've been a critic of Ronaldo since Man u. Gave him a couple years to see if Madrid would change him; but he got worse. I wouldn't say he doesn't care about team success, but it's extremely secondary to his individual feats. His trophy count here just proves it. His movie, that I could only stomach for 10 mins was insane btw... Worse than the FIFA movie amazingly.

[chad4401]

been saying for years now cr only plays for himself and the team will hardly win anything with him, even though some are trying to throw benzema under the bus just for the sake of it is funny, anyway sooner cr leaves the better, the team plays much better without him their is plenty of games to back that up.

the team has never been good at sitting deep and defending, so an active pressing style is a good fit, wouldn't mind the attacking footy we played under carlo, but a bit more refined and disciplined, something the team always lacked.

[sportsczy]

Benz is pretty irrelevant too... he can't get by anyone as a CF. So he can't play the sole CF role which requires being able to make a difference individually.... and that's what all the modern schemes require. Unless you have a Reus, Neymar or someone of that ilk next to him, he's not going to be effective imo.

[Eneide]

The funny part is when he himself was close to a Barcelona player but he kept calling Marcelo who was far away to come defend instead of taking charge and closing the opponent down. Such a coward.
I swear all the players are tired of cr...i sincerely hope we sell him next season. Can't take this anymore.
We should build our team around James, look at the way he brilliantly plays for Colombia.

[chad4401]

Benz is pretty irrelevant too...  he can't get by anyone as a CF.  So he can't play the sole CF role which requires being able to make a difference individually....  and that's what all the modern schemes require.  Unless you have a Reus, Neymar or someone of that ilk next to him, he's not going to be effective imo.

can you pls go somewhere else with that rubbish, the guy was our leading scorer before injury, is a top 10 cl scorer and he sure as hell does more with less of ball than cr ever could, and stop trying to tell me benzema limits, you lot clearly don't know jack about players just talk a good game.

[sportsczy]

i'm about figuring out what's best for Madrid... i don't care about individual players. So my point is, if we get a Neymar, Reus or someone who is a 20+ goal scorer as a winger, Benz is great. BUT, if you're asking Benz to be the primary goalscorer and difference-maker individually on the attack, he can't do it for a club like Madrid. He doesn't have the speed and dribbling skills.

It might work with Bale and James AS LONG AS those two take on a more aggressive goalscoring approach to how they play.

In the end though, if you can get your hands on a Lewandowski (doubtful) or even Aubameyang (who is going to bang in 40-50 goals this season barring injury), you have to go for it regardless. Those guys are killers.

[chad4401]

your speaking like this is a fact, when you clearly just doing guess work, the fact is benzema is one of the most reliable players in the squad, and nothing you or anyone else says can change that.

anytime benzema is killing it this forum goes silent and when he is any form of trouble everybody is a benzema and cf expert, like i wouldn't notice something like that.

on the topic of what best for madrid how many times as cr aggressive playing style done anything of note?

last time i checked benz got us past the cl r16 vs lyon, cl semi vs bayern and copa semi against sev, down play it anyway you like you can't change the facts

no more off topic stuff.

[sportsczy]

That speech may apply (emphasis on "may") to some... But me? Come on. I've defended him for years and I know exactly what kind of player he is. He's a playmaking cf, not really a goalscoring one, although 20-25 a season is good. But given our competition, we need a 30+ scoring cf without Ronaldo. He doesn't fit that profile.

[Freeza]

I think we should make a coach reality show and have a new coach try the job for a week, while it's being filmed.

[El Blanco Madridista]

As much as i agree with you, and as i said it will be a start, it will take a bit more than that. Ronaldo has become a poison and he has been readying his way to PSG for the past few weeks. He will go on his own, specially now that he is the club top scorer. He will go, but we still dont know what kind of team we want to be, and that's just as big of a problem. i can argue that with this midfield built a different we could have very much accomodated CR even now, even with all his freedom

I've been saying it for like 2 years.Ronaldo is a liability when he doesn't score. I hope the club does cash big on him, he just keeps getting worse and worse.

[El Blanco Madridista]

That speech may apply (emphasis on "may") to some... But me? Come on. I've defended him for years and I know exactly what kind of player he is. He's a playmaking cf, not really a goalscoring one, although 20-25 a season is good. But given our competition, we need a 30+ scoring cf without Ronaldo. He doesn't fit that profile.

You are right, he is not the kind of forward that leads the attack. Benzema doesn't usually make runs in behind the opposition defenders and likes the ball to be played into his feet.

[chad4401]

That speech may apply (emphasis on "may") to some...  But me?  Come on.  I've defended him for years and I know exactly what kind of player he is.  He's a playmaking cf, not really a goalscoring one, although 20-25 a season is good.  But given our competition, we need a 30+ scoring cf without Ronaldo.  He doesn't fit that profile.

You are right, he is not the kind of forward that leads the attack. Benzema doesn't usually make runs in behind the opposition defenders and likes the ball to be played into his feet.

@sports again that is not a fact, he is a 9 in every fashion nowadays, every season you guys criticize him for not being a proper 9, yet its clear as day he has addressed all of his weaknesses.

He makes great runs in behind defenders as good as anyone, he is scoring headers like its nothing and buries almost all tap in opportunities, while getting 1 or 2 shots a game, look at all his goals this season he is flawless as 9, he obviously now(since carlo) knows how to move around the box, drift away from defenders like he did pique for the header yesterday, you guys just want to ignore it fuel of your agendas.

now the only thing left to cling to is his work rate which is again nonsense, cause benzema ran more than anyone in the team except di maria remember that?

he is not that old he needs to be replaced, especially by players the same age!!! and he sure has hell would be motivated to truly lead the attack, like any other player would, he is an elite CF, as proven as much as another CF out there.

[titosantill]

if i had my way, all the bbc are out, same goes for danilo; kroos becomes a bench warmer, james is definitely not an upgrade from di maria, not by a long shot, but as i've said before, maybe its cos he's not playing in his position i don't know. but yeah, the bbc time is up, it should be the end of an era; not a good era btw. at least we can rack at least 150-200 mill from their sales. but forget all that, my main thing is, if/when we fire rafa, we best hire a coach before making transfers, let the coach handle all that, and see who he wants to go and who he wants to stay....

we don't have to go for a three pronged attack, we can invest time into building a better midfield, everybody in msn is a level, yes at least a level above the bbc, in every aspect of the game...only fan boys will argue against that. is that something we can equal? maybe, maybe not, but playing 4 3 3  isn't the end all, be all. especially as imo it doesn't suit the team. there are various things that can be tweaked to better our game without having to look for 3 upfront as direct competitors to msn

[chad4401]

let me get this straight if everybody on msn is a level above bbc, who the hell is gonna challenge them?

freaking rues,lewa,hazard? rues great when he plays, lewa we ain't getting him, hazard rubbish right now, keep going full armchair mode my friend.

[titosantill]

which is why i said the team doesn't have to live and die with a 4-3-3 formation, there are other aspects of the team that can be developed, the midfield has potential. and that defense needs to be worked on. but there's no doubt they are at LEAST a level above, might be even more.....that they have played the way they have even without messi, and beat us without him says a lot....investing in a three pronged attack to go head to head with them may not cut it. doesn't mean we can't develop a better midfield and winged system, with wingers actually creating. but for me, this era has to be put behind us, whether we like it or not. its been 7 years, we should thank them for all their efforts and wish everybody luck as we move on....bale too. but i bet florentino will keep him, and force the coach to play him as a striker, since we've tried him on the wing, and attacking mid, then when he doesn't do well as a striker, florentino will now have the coach play him in central mid, in the pirlo role

[chad4401]

im not talking about the formation, im talking the quality of the players here, who would replace all 3 of them that what i asked?

i know its easy to shift the blame onto the bbc, cause barca attack is better, so our attack is the worst on the planet now...really? relax

for years everybody knew that the real problem on the team was cr, its always been on him.

can't pass or play make for nothing.... gets the most touches.

lowest conversion rate every season, crap finisher..... gets the most shots.

left side of the team being overrun..... walks every games and also wants to play 90 mins every game.

clearly a limited player that needs the entire team spoon feeding him, for him to be remotely decent.

everything you guys are crying about now i been said it, but because so many of you are gutless bale and benzema has to be kicked out with him, to save face for all that stat padding circle jerk, yeah that sounds fair .

kick cr out the team and the problems will fix themselves.

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