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Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
well he is right, keepers don't need to "always hoof"
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
I've also read several times that most coaches instruct to always hoof the ball away.
It's just not that easy like you're finding out, if you instruct to pass it out your defenders have to be in good positions and have good ball skills themselves, same with the center midfielder, who is the anchor of the team and has to be the best ball player in the team, or at least one of the best, of course if from their on out you want to remain in possession your team should be very compact and know how to position themselves as well.
All this just cannot be achieved in a few months training time, as much as you'd like that to be true. This is the reason why La Masia trains youngsters for years on out this whole system, this is why Barcelona are secretly very desperate on the Valdes situation, i think Valdes is a good to average shot stopper, but that barely matters anyways because he does little shot stopping itself and does play alot with his feet, i would say he is unparalleled in football in this aspect.
On the bright side, i will say that i think your on the right track. Michael Cox from Zonal Marking did a statistical work for ESPN where he showed that teams that pass from the back instead of hoof the ball had a higher win rate percentage. I always hope big teams pass it from the back, however i can understand why many of them fail to do it.
It's just not that easy like you're finding out, if you instruct to pass it out your defenders have to be in good positions and have good ball skills themselves, same with the center midfielder, who is the anchor of the team and has to be the best ball player in the team, or at least one of the best, of course if from their on out you want to remain in possession your team should be very compact and know how to position themselves as well.
All this just cannot be achieved in a few months training time, as much as you'd like that to be true. This is the reason why La Masia trains youngsters for years on out this whole system, this is why Barcelona are secretly very desperate on the Valdes situation, i think Valdes is a good to average shot stopper, but that barely matters anyways because he does little shot stopping itself and does play alot with his feet, i would say he is unparalleled in football in this aspect.
On the bright side, i will say that i think your on the right track. Michael Cox from Zonal Marking did a statistical work for ESPN where he showed that teams that pass from the back instead of hoof the ball had a higher win rate percentage. I always hope big teams pass it from the back, however i can understand why many of them fail to do it.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Like many have already said, most GKs don't have the ability and/or composure to safely and smartly play the ball from the back. But those that do give a huge advantage to their team. I'm always reminded of Edwin Van Der Sar and his skill on the ball.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
In fact i've read that Van Der Saar played striker in his off time, he was that good with the ball.elitedam wrote:Like many have already said, most GKs don't have the ability and/or composure to safely and smartly play the ball from the back. But those that do give a huge advantage to their team. I'm always reminded of Edwin Van Der Sar and his skill on the ball.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Better to be safe than sorry I g uess. The same reason why old school British CBs use to smash out of bounce, and then reorganize the line.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Because they're not as comfortable with their passing as an outfield player?
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
It's becoming painfully obvious you have never played a game of football ever in your life MT.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Mt you never fail to amaze me. Wtf are people even responding to this clots barca fan... Utterly clueless
Also answer Danis question...how do you build composure?
Also answer Danis question...how do you build composure?
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Calm down it's just a question. You can ignore it and move on.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Composure doesn't have to be a thing that stays at the same level throughout a player's career. With specific drills during training, techniques, practise etc, it can improve.The Franchise wrote:How do you "train composure" I would love to hear your theories.Yohan Modric wrote:Goalkeepers don't need to train at everything outfield players train at. I'm sure it's possible with the use of positioning and composure to not always hoof.
Obviously if it's approaching 90th minute and the team is winning, it would be wise to hoof it clear. It has to depend on what's happening too.
So if the press is too much, just hoof, if it's 1-2 players, then attempt to pass out. Doesn't always have to be a pass out.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
I guess the question was more: What kind of drills do you see useful to train composure?Yohan Modric wrote:Composure doesn't have to be a thing that stays at the same level throughout a player's career. With specific drills during training, techniques, practise etc, it can improve.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Well I'm not too sure about specific drills advanced coaches use, however from the top of my head, I'd say short passing drills to improve the goalkeepers short passing.rwo power wrote:I guess the question was more: What kind of drills do you see useful to train composure?Yohan Modric wrote:Composure doesn't have to be a thing that stays at the same level throughout a player's career. With specific drills during training, techniques, practise etc, it can improve.
Basically in game pressing situations would be practised in training. So the goalkeeper would be pressed and from then the coach would tell him what to do in each situation and how to remain composed. Defenders would be positioned in an ideal position to make it easier for the goalkeeper.
Secondly, maybe a bit of dribbling work. Nothing too extravagant, like trying to outdribble the opposition players pressing, but just basic stuff.
If a goalkeepers remains persistent and works hard to improve his composure, it can be improved. Anyway as I said earlier, it can be dependant on the style that the team uses too. Lower teams might not want to take risks and might just want to take the easy way out with a hoof.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Yeah...it's not that much of a stupid question. Many a times I've seen keepers hoof it despite the nearest attacking being miles away and lose possession. That is a bit of a stupid way to lose possession and is quite avoidable.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Well, so in a way the keeper should take some time to train playing with the outfield players. The problem is just that this is time that has to be taken from other keeper-specific drills, so in the end you will probably always have a player who is just a bit less confident on playing the ball than an outfield player as the time to train these skills is simply less for practical reasons.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
It's not only about the skills of the GK, it's about the risk that GK has to take:
When a CM loses that ball, the defence are behind him;
When a CB loses the ball, the GK is behind him;
But when a GK loses the ball, there is only an open goal behind him.
When a CM loses that ball, the defence are behind him;
When a CB loses the ball, the GK is behind him;
But when a GK loses the ball, there is only an open goal behind him.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Very true. You might want to look at this from yesterday's match Bayern München vs Eintracht Braunschweig:
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
The pass the GK would make wouldn't be a risky pass. I mean there's goalkeepers who hoof when just 1 player is slightly pressing him.
In terms of Neuer there, he's coming out from his goal, which is a different topic compared to hoofing.
In terms of Neuer there, he's coming out from his goal, which is a different topic compared to hoofing.
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Re: Why do the majority of goalkeepers hoof the ball under slight pressure?
Again for that the defenders have to move in a way that the GK can properly pass to them. If they are surrounded by opponent players, it gets a bit too risky.Yohan Modric wrote:The pass the GK would make wouldn't be a risky pass. I mean there's goalkeepers who hoof when just 1 player is slightly pressing him.
Well, that was more to illustrate the problem that *normally* there is no player behind the GK who can save him if he loses the ball. In that case, David Alaba fortunately was fast enough to come to the rescue.Yohan Modric wrote:In terms of Neuer there, he's coming out from his goal, which is a different topic compared to hoofing.
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