rwo power wrote:If you go for ratings so much, you might check the ones kicker.de gives:

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/2011-12/topspieler-der-saison-abwehr.html

Breakdown of separate games:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/1-bundesliga/2011-12/bayern-muenchen-14/45699/spieler_holger-badstuber.html

There Stubsi is the third best rated defender at 2.69 with only Hummels and Van Buyten (both 2.50) before him. And mind you, kicker.de is probably the most reputable German football magazine, so I'd say they know what they are writing & rating

rwo power wrote:Well, the kicker.de ratings are given by the experts there. They don't disclose the written stuff on the website (you are supposed to buy their print magazine after all), but at least they publish the match by match ratings in form of numbers.

I did read some commentary on him in German papers, and they were far more favourably than what was written by goal.com (whom I wouldn't trust in any case where ratings are concerned as they usually botch them big time).

I really think I should try and get some stats for the BL defenders (tackles etc), but I can't promise anything. But from the kicker.de marks it is obvious they do rate Badstuber higher than most others, just like Heynckes and Löw, too.

Idrisozet wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:The Dortmund match was decided by a Boateng error, of all players., so shit can happen to anyone.

IMO, the Badstuber-Boateng combo works very well. The games where Badstuber has looked bad, most of the time he's being played alongside van Buyten. Obviously he's gonna look like crap with a similar sort of slow player besides him.

With Germany he's improved a shit lot, although playing with Hummels and even Mertesacker. He's also improved with Bayern. He's not as bad as we make him out to be, just obviously inexperienced and still pretty raw.

According to RWO he was suspended for today's game, else Heynckes would have probably started him. We definitely need more CB depth.

Yes he was suspended because of the red card and our defence played much more better without him again

The Goal wasn't just because of Boateng error, if you watch it again, there was lack of communication between Boateng and Badstuber, he went in for the tackle and fell down as usual that was what led to Boateng error.

If we are to go far, then we should play DVB and Boateng.

watch carefully our next match against Mainz, watch Badstuber carefully and you might notice how he put pressure on other defenders, he exposes them to make error.

Idrisozet wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:That's simply the Schweinsteiger effect

Alaba is great and all, but he's not at that level yet. Our midfield is what has kept our defense non leaky, because individually they're not exactly awesome defenders. Obviously with Schweini missing, we lack our key midfield piece.

Kroos is also good, but no one can replace Piggy.

Also, Robben is being played instead of Mueller. Huge drop in workrate right there, but we need Robben fit so...

Are you saying Robben being played instead of Muller is as a result of the silly goals we conceded...?

The 2 goals against Napoli were silly and 1st leg own goal was also silly, to add to that Hanover both goals were silly, as a matter of fact since the 1st goal we conceded this season, most of our goals have been really silly and we can not afford that in the final.

One thing I have noticed is that, whenever Boateng and Van Buyten start ahead of Badstuber in the middle, we dont concede silly goal.

Badstuber is dangerous to our defense, you have to watch him closely before you can get this. He exposes other defenders to making error, in the Dortmund game he went in for a tackle and Boateng or any other good defender would have expect him to win the tackle or at least stop the pass to Gotze but instead he fell down and couldn't win the ball and Boateng was left to deal with a more dangerous situation, which he obviously couldn't.

I have seen this on several occasion on how Badstuber exposes other defender to making errors, time and time again. The Manager really needs to forget about the German Prejudice and Play DVB & Boateng for the good of Bayern Munich

Here are his rating for last 8 matches and compare them to Boateng or Van Buyten rating.

Bayern Vs Dortmund.
5.5 Had a very difficult first half as his passes were somewhat wayward and he was beaten on the dribble by Lewandowski. Was booked in the second half for a very poor tackle, but also showed great anticipation in several instances, and had a free kick narrowly miss the target late in the game.

Bayern Munich vs Ausburgs
5.0 The defender should take the blame for Hosogai's strike as he was caught running without purpose after the ball. Played Kapllani onside for the Albanian's chance late in the game, and generally looked shaky.

Germany vs Netherlands
5.0 Received a lot of support from Khedira, which masked what was not an entirely convincing display. Missed a headed clearance that left Kuyt in on goal, but to his credit, did react quickly to make up for Mertesacker's errors. Substituted at half-time.

Germany vs Ukraine
5.0 Played Shevchenko onside in the third minute, and thus began a less than stellar evening for the Bayern man, who was supposed to be the anchor in the centre of defence, but too often was found elsewhere.

Bayern Munich vs Napoli(2nd leg)
5.0 Was booked for a bad foul on Maggio early on, but improved immensely as the game progressed. Marked Cavani out of the match but the Uruguayan still won the battle, earning him a second yellow card and an early bath with a shameful dive.

Bayern Munich vs Nurnberg
5.5 Picked out Schweinsteiger with a perfect ball before the opener, and played in several other lovely passes: he completed a remarkable 100 on the day. Showed very good instincts to anticipate danger, but was beaten in the air once by Pekhart, and missed a tackle on Hegeler: both slip-ups ought to have been punished with goals.

Bayern Munich vs Hannover
6.0 Beaten for pace on more than one occasion, the defender looked largely shaky until his withdrawal late in the second half. Was part of a great first-half attacking move with an astute and accurate crossfield pass.

Bayern Munich vs Napoli(1st leg)
4.5 Will be remembered for conceding an own goal, and for being booked for a poor challenge. Made some great defensive plays otherwise, but deserves to be penalised for making some critical errors.

Sushi Master wrote:Our defense still isn't good enough. Our clean sheet streak was all due to midfield dominance.

The defense still needs depth, it was only our awesome midfield masking it the whole time. Always been that way.

I don't know why Henyckes doesn't deploy Boateng more as a CB. He was supposed to be played there primarily and Rafinha starting at RB. Dunno why Heynckes bought these guys if he's not going to use them to their strengths.

It's all down to our overall lack of depth. Those midweek games sure sap out strength.

Sushi Master wrote:
Schweinsteiger has no direct backup (which is why I wanted Vidal in the summer) because Alaba is still too raw.