Re: Higuain's bad form....

by the xcx Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:34 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:Should we get neymar?

Nah, too young and unproven.

by The Madrid One Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:36 pm

i hope we get neymar some day....

i really do/

by Guest Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:38 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I think there is a difference here between putting down the players, which i dont think anyone is doing, and weighting their achievements and rating their game. Just to keep our heads level

So what is the OP in this thread doing then?

Forget it, if you don't understand what I'm saying there is no point

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:39 pm

I have no idea what the OP is doing.

by Pedram Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:40 pm

No need to panic guys. my boy Pipita will find his form next season.
just give him a little more time.

by Senor Penguin Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:41 pm

He's "gaining weight" because it's needed for him to develop as a player. He's bulking up, to be frank. Mourinho wants him to become a better all around player.

Btw, the talk about Neymar sickens me. And Kunt.

by EarlyPrototype Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Give Higgy a break man the guy has done so much for us, he is one of few players to have been bought cheap and turned himself into a world class player in our team. He has had a bad season only due to injury. Where is the support?

by Senor Penguin Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:44 pm

Crimson wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
Crimson wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:He does have a poor touch tho.

By bad passer, he meant that Higuain doesnt integrate himself as well as benzema for ex, in the build up, with short and quick touches to get the ball going.

Higuain is actually good at crossing the ball, he grabs his fair share of assists every season.

He has one of the best first touches in our team tbf

You can't be a good poacher and not have a good first touch it simply makes no sense. Especially when on form Higuain has one of the best first touches around. Just take a look at some of his highlights.

As for his passing Higuain maintained a 78.05% pass completion last season. For a poor passer of the ball thats pretty amazing lol

Let's look at standards here, we are talking about players of his class, so the upper echelon. He has a decent touch, nothing exceptional, nothing like Ozil or Benzema.

Chicharito is a poacher but he has an awful touch for ex. I actually noticed that his touches are often a bit long, and he makes up for it with his pace, not the greatest trapper of the ball. He loses a lot of balls out of his first touch actually.

I dont think statistics would be useful here, making a 5 yard pass to the closest player over and over doesnt make you a good passer. It's difficult to talk about the quality of his passing as if we are comparing Xabi and Sahin, he just is never in those situations where he has to open up the game. But in terms of how well he gets into the team movements and acts as a pivot for other players, i think Benzema is quite ahead of him. It's just not his style, no biggie.

Agree to disagree

I have yet to see Benzema do some of the things Higuain has with his first touch, until I do I will remain skeptical.

In any case thats not what the OP was getting into.

What I really hate about some Madrid fans in particular is that as soon as we are linked to a certain player, in this case Aguero, they feel the need to put down and dismiss our current players in that position. Discredit their accomplishments and achievements and the effort and sacrifice that they have put in for our club. It annoys the living shit out of me.

Fair enough if the payer is actually terrible ie Drenthe. But this is not the case. It's not like we had trouble scoring goals last season. Our strikers are fine. Same thing happened with Sahin I saw people start to put down Khedira. It does not need to be done.

Support the team and the players for what they have done and achieved. 29 goals last season from Higuain and coming back 2 months before scheduled to help the team out this season from a very serious and complicated back surgery, should be supported by us. Do not put him down ffs.

Benzema after all the crap in the first half of the season showing grit and determination to come through with 26 goals for us, is in itself a huge feat.

Credit where it is due. Just because we may or may not get Aguero does not justify shit talking about our own players for no real reason at all.

+1.

Easily the best post in our section since the start of the forum.

by punkfusion1992 Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:45 pm

isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:50 pm

Tbh, the OP has no business here. Higuain isnt a perfect player, but he has great two years ago, he was even greater last season, and he started the year well despite struggling a bit with confidence, and he came back well enough to try and help the team in the last stretch.

by Senor Penguin Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:51 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

He has done better than many "high profile" players we've had in the last decade. As usual, the problem with Madrid's administration transfers to its fans - hyped players and "stars" are more important to have than pure footballers.

Good grief ... 10 years of Galactiflops and people STILL don't get it.

by Mamad Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:57 pm

Crimson wrote:Seriously not sure if serious......

Poor first touch? wtf

Poor passing? again wtf

Your talking about a player who scored 10 goals and had 4 assists in his first 16 games of the season for Madrid. Had he not received his injury he was on target to nab 30 goals for us.

Also lets not forget what he did to Valencia unfit and out of form ffs.

I love how narrow certain people's views are when they are blinded by new shiny "toys"

Go back and watch his goals and assists at the start of the season since your memory is so poor.

It's your way to respond?

Crimson wrote:

Learn2read he stated "but even before injury he was BAD"

Seriously.....

before injury = start of 2010/2011 season.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:59 pm

Higuain was doing well before his injury, he was struggling a bit with confidence, but he was doing very well

by guest7 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:07 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

Even if Higuain scores more in La Liga than Raul atleast Raul scored more than 4 goals in CL. Higuains total goals in CL is 4. And now that we are one of the giants in Europe we cant have a striker that cant score outside of La Liga. We dont need someone that makes unnecessary hattricks against Levante, we do have Ronaldo for that.

Benzema alone this season scored 6 goals, and Aguero has scored a brace against Barca and 1 time against Chelsea. Aguero is what Real Madrid need, a striker that scores in La Liga, in Europe and against Barca.

And that's why Higuain wont work.

by Mamad Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:12 pm

lol at people who compare Higuain with Raul. Raul was a clever player. great touch, great vision, great passing ability. most important of all he was a big game player.

by Senor Penguin Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:16 pm

omarish wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

Even if Higuain scores more in La Liga than Raul atleast Raul scored more than 4 goals in CL. Higuains total goals in CL is 4. And now that we are one of the giants in Europe we cant have a striker that cant score outside of La Liga. We dont need someone that makes unnecessary hattricks against Levante, we do have Ronaldo for that.

Benzema alone this season scored 6 goals, and Aguero has scored a brace against Barca and 1 time against Chelsea. Aguero is what Real Madrid need, a striker that scores in La Liga, in Europe and against Barca.

And that's why Higuain wont work.

Higuain's bad form.... - Page 2 HomerSimpsonFacepalm

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:18 pm

Mamad wrote:lol at people who compare Higuain with Raul. Raul was a clever player. great touch, great vision, great passing ability. most important of all he was a big game player.

Higuain is stll getting goals for us at the end of the day.

@omar, when compare benzema and higuain now?

by guest7 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:24 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
Mamad wrote:lol at people who compare Higuain with Raul. Raul was a clever player. great touch, great vision, great passing ability. most important of all he was a big game player.

Higuain is stll getting goals for us at the end of the day.

@omar, when compare benzema and higuain now?

Just comparing CL statistics. I could have taken Ronaldo aswell, just saying that Higuains total goals in CL are 4 when Benz and Ronaldo managed do 6 alone just this season.

by Mamad Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:29 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
Mamad wrote:lol at people who compare Higuain with Raul. Raul was a clever player. great touch, great vision, great passing ability. most important of all he was a big game player.

Higuain is stll getting goals for us at the end of the day.

It's what i'm talking about. goals are not every thing.

look at Kaka's stats ( goal/assist per game after his injury ). very good but his overall play? look at Ronaldo's goals. incredible. but his overall influence?

Higuain must improve some aspects of his game to help team. to help us play beautiful football, possession football. which are first touch, passing and speed.

by punkfusion1992 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:30 pm

yeah like Higuain hasnt scored against Barca....
and this year he scored against AC Milan in the Champions League
he is more than just goals
he is assists, goals and hard work
honestly Higuain is a player always with a point to prove and he proves it pretty well
This season he scored 13 goals in the few games he played
Aguero was able to score 20 and he wasnt injured for 5 months
so please no Higgy hate....
he is a loyal servant
even when everyone is against him
the fans all stick by him

Higuain's bad form.... - Page 2 Bscap0001

Higuain's bad form.... - Page 2 Bscap0001

may i remind you a few big goals he scored

2 goals 2 titles......
im sorry is he big enuf now?

by Pedram Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:41 pm

omarish wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

Even if Higuain scores more in La Liga than Raul atleast Raul scored more than 4 goals in CL. Higuains total goals in CL is 4. And now that we are one of the giants in Europe we cant have a striker that cant score outside of La Liga. We dont need someone that makes unnecessary hattricks against Levante, we do have Ronaldo for that.

Benzema alone this season scored 6 goals, and Aguero has scored a brace against Barca and 1 time against Chelsea. Aguero is what Real Madrid need, a striker that scores in La Liga, in Europe and against Barca.

And that's why Higuain wont work.

it's not just about Aguero that he is able to score against Barcelona. Pathetico is Pathetico, Real Madrid is Real Madrid. Barca always play their best game against us, if we've had Aguero he'd struggle to score against them too. you get it ? there is a different between us and them.

by Onyx Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:42 pm

Tactically we have to be spot on.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:43 pm

El Pipita wrote:

it's not just about Aguero that he is able to score against Barcelona. Pathetico is Pathetico, Real Madrid is Real Madrid. Barca always play their best game against us, if we've had Aguero he'd struggle to score against them too. you get it ? there is a different between us and them.

I disagree, he is good against them because of his individual skills, he finds ways to give them a lot of troubles.
He is fast, very agile and he is a great dribbler, the same weapons barca use to give teams problems, just a taste of their own medecine

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:49 pm

Do i have to defend Higuain's ability from Madrid fans once again?

Dont test me because i will do it.

by guest7 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:51 pm

El Pipita wrote:
omarish wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:isnt this a surprise?
people bashing Higuain....
Higuain silents all doubters scores a bucket load of goals....
season ends....
starts all over
wow.....
all i have 2 say is 80+ goals before he is 25
he has a better scoring record than Raul

Even if Higuain scores more in La Liga than Raul atleast Raul scored more than 4 goals in CL. Higuains total goals in CL is 4. And now that we are one of the giants in Europe we cant have a striker that cant score outside of La Liga. We dont need someone that makes unnecessary hattricks against Levante, we do have Ronaldo for that.

Benzema alone this season scored 6 goals, and Aguero has scored a brace against Barca and 1 time against Chelsea. Aguero is what Real Madrid need, a striker that scores in La Liga, in Europe and against Barca.

And that's why Higuain wont work.

it's not just about Aguero that he is able to score against Barcelona. Pathetico is Pathetico, Real Madrid is Real Madrid. Barca always play their best game against us, if we've had Aguero he'd struggle to score against them too. you get it ? there is a different between us and them.

Don't you think as soon as Pathetico gets the lead Barca tries their best again? It's still about winning the league, not playing football. And it's Pathetico, he doesn't have someone like Özil who can play the ball forward for him, he has to do most of it alone. And he does it in an excellent fashion.

by halamadrid2 Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:56 pm

Senor Penguin wrote:He's "gaining weight" because it's needed for him to develop as a player. He's bulking up, to be frank. Mourinho wants him to become a better all around player.

Btw, the talk about Neymar sickens me. And Kunt.

i am still waiting for dimaria to remotly start adding those things to his tummy :lol!:

join the club sir cheers

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