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When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Ruben Pardo Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:10 pm
In my option it was 2011 with Jack Wilshere
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by VendettaRed07 Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:12 pm
Well in my option, it was just this weekend
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Ruben Pardo Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:17 pm
VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend
Please elaborate
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Art Morte Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:27 pm
Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by izzy Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:31 pm
Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
They're not English.......
Anyway, this question is insulting to one Wayne Rooney.
Wilshere
Theo
Gibbs
Oxlade
Shaw
Barkley etc.
I need to see more from these guys.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Arquitecto Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:33 pm
Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
*English
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by futbol Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:34 pm
Paul Gascoigne in 1984.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by The_Badger Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:37 pm
Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
I got your joke.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by McAgger Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:39 pm
Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
They're too small minded to comprehend you Morty
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Art Morte Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:40 pm
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Chumlum Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:42 pm
Owen Hargreaves!
No no, just kidding. Depends on what we mean by "very good player." There are some people who divide absolutely every footballer into one of two categories, "world-class" or "shit." So by that rationale, probably not a "very good player" from England since the heyday of Scholes.
I don't subscribe to that all-or-nothing approach, myself. I'd say Wayne Rooney is a great player, someone who at various points in his career has definitely been in the conversation as one of the top five forwards in the world.
But certainly there have been some other "very good" players. Of guys whose careers are winding down or recently retired, you can make a great case for Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick. Terry and Ferdinand too, during their peaks. Much as I hate a lot of those guys.
I think Wilshere has great potential but still isn't quite a great player yet. Dude's only 22 so there's plenty of time. If you count him though, then it's not unreasonable to consider Baines, Johnson, Walcott, Hart (very much out of favor these days but he's had some terrific seasons & a long future ahead of him so who knows) ... and if you're talking about young talent with high ceilings, then certainly Gibbs, Shaw, Barkley, Sterling, and Oxlade-Chamberlain are in the conversation.
No no, just kidding. Depends on what we mean by "very good player." There are some people who divide absolutely every footballer into one of two categories, "world-class" or "shit." So by that rationale, probably not a "very good player" from England since the heyday of Scholes.
I don't subscribe to that all-or-nothing approach, myself. I'd say Wayne Rooney is a great player, someone who at various points in his career has definitely been in the conversation as one of the top five forwards in the world.
But certainly there have been some other "very good" players. Of guys whose careers are winding down or recently retired, you can make a great case for Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick. Terry and Ferdinand too, during their peaks. Much as I hate a lot of those guys.
I think Wilshere has great potential but still isn't quite a great player yet. Dude's only 22 so there's plenty of time. If you count him though, then it's not unreasonable to consider Baines, Johnson, Walcott, Hart (very much out of favor these days but he's had some terrific seasons & a long future ahead of him so who knows) ... and if you're talking about young talent with high ceilings, then certainly Gibbs, Shaw, Barkley, Sterling, and Oxlade-Chamberlain are in the conversation.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Gil Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:49 pm
Are there actually people that think Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard & Wayne Rooney aren't great players? 
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Onyx Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:59 pm
Very good is subjective. To some it might mean someone elite like Rooney, while to others it can be someone like Wilshere.
For me it's definitely Wilshere. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and be an important part of the England team at the WC.
For me it's definitely Wilshere. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and be an important part of the England team at the WC.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by che Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:29 pm
Gil wrote:Are there actually people that think Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard & Wayne Rooney aren't great players?
all of them are either pushing 30, or close to it... hence, "the last time"
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by VendettaRed07 Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:32 pm
Ruben Pardo wrote:VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend
Please elaborate
Grammar joke aside I just don't get what you mean by when did they produce? How can you track a specific date? Players that were recently produced who aren't great yet may turn out to be great soon. There could have been someone who debuted just recently that'll be the next great player. Or someone that looks great can be just a flash in the pan and crap by next month
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Highburied Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:57 pm
Liverpool fans spamming every thread with bias.
Stay grounded ffs.
Stay grounded ffs.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Bellabong Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:04 pm
Chumlum wrote:Owen Hargreaves!
No no, just kidding.
The best part is that he wasn't even "produced" in England
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Highburied Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:09 pm
Last great talents are Luke Shaw, Jack, Sturridge, etc.
England have many talent just dont know how to use them in international games.
England have many talent just dont know how to use them in international games.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by FennecFox7 Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:11 pm
Art Morte wrote:Bale's pretty good. And Ramsay.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Le Samourai Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:16 pm
Ruben Pardo wrote:In my option it was 2011 withJackJuanito Wilshere
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Ruben Pardo Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:39 pm
VendettaRed07 wrote:Ruben Pardo wrote:VendettaRed07 wrote:Well in my option, it was just this weekend
Please elaborate
Grammar joke aside I just don't get what you mean by when did they produce? How can you track a specific date? Players that were recently produced who aren't great yet may turn out to be great soon. There could have been someone who debuted just recently that'll be the next great player. Or someone that looks great can be just a flash in the pan and crap by next month
I think you're being a little too autistic about this question, just answer it dude, all these technicality's...
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Red Alert Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:36 am
From LFC:
Henderson.
Sterling!
Sturridge.
From the PL:
The OX!!!
Lallana!
Barkley.
Wilshere.
Shaw.
Chelsea has one too, Chalola or something. (Plays in the Championship league)
Henderson.
Sterling!
Sturridge.
From the PL:
The OX!!!
Lallana!
Barkley.
Wilshere.
Shaw.
Chelsea has one too, Chalola or something. (Plays in the Championship league)
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Fuchsteufelswild Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:38 am
Red Alert wrote:From LFC:
Henderson.
Sterling!
Sturridge.
From the PL:
The OX!!!
Lallana!
Barkley.
Wilshere.
Shaw.
Chelsea has one too, Chalola or something. (Plays in the Championship league)
Define "very good". I see a few good players but no "very good" players.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Kick Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:38 am
Chalobah. YNWA
England does have very good players, Rooney is the most obviousy one so I don't get what this thread is really about.
England does have very good players, Rooney is the most obviousy one so I don't get what this thread is really about.
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Re: When was the last time England produced a very good player
by Fuchsteufelswild Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:42 am
Kick wrote:Chalobah. YNWA
England does have very good players, Rooney is the most obviousy one so I don't get what this thread is really about.
He's Irish though. Even looks like a leprechaun.
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