What's wrong with diving?

by REWB Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:00 pm

Tell me what's wrong with it? how does it negatively effect the 'beautiful' game? what harm does it cause if the player is smart enough to trick the referee? explain.

by sportsczy Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:03 pm

you must be joking....

by Adit Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:04 pm

There is a reason divers gets yellow carded to start with, it is against fair play.

Imagine the Massive dive fest in the penalty area if Diving was 'legalized'

by jibers Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:05 pm

It's cheating? It's frowned upon? It's faking contact that is deemed as unprofessional? It;s conning officials?

No surprise you are suddenly morally ambiguous after the Carazola dive. If that is the reason then that is sad. Football has been stabbed in the back and is dying a very slow and painfulc death...

by REWB Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:06 pm

sportsczy wrote:you must be joking....

im not joking, its a difference of opinion, i am happy to change my opinion if you come up with a good reason as to why diving is as bad as people say it is, to me it has never really bothered me, just part of the game.

by rwo power Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:08 pm

What's wrong with diving? Nothing if it is into a deep pool of water Razz

Otherwise it is a nuisance as it make the ref's job even harder, especially as long as there is no video technology allowed.

by Adit Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:09 pm

Part of the game BS . Then you should also tolerate elbows and punches in the game by tricking the ref.....what is next ? a bone breaking tackle is just part of the game and should not be criticized bcz ref failed to spot the foul?

by REWB Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:10 pm

jibers wrote:It's cheating? It's frowned upon? It's faking contact that is deemed as unprofessional? It;s conning officials?

No surprise you are suddenly morally ambiguous after the Carazola dive. If that is the reason then that is sad. Football has been stabbed in the back and is dying a very slow and painfulc death...

nothing to do with the carzola dive man, i knew someone was going to bring that up lol. honestly though, i understand that it may not be fair play but, nothing in this world is really fair. if you have the chance to trick the ref why not do it. id blame the ref for not being smart enough to figure out it was a dive, rather than blame the player. that is how i have always looked at it.

by sportsczy Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:11 pm

How about that it's cheating. You're simulating fake contact to con the officials and the game. Football is a contact sport... it's not tennis. If you want to avoid contact, pick another sport.

How is this even a question ffs.

by REWB Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:13 pm

Adit wrote:Part of the game BS . Then you should also tolerate elbows and punches in the game by tricking the ref.....what is next ? a bone breaking tackle is just part of the game and should not be criticized bcz ref failed to spot the foul?

umm how is that similar? how is causing physical injury to another player the same as tricking a ref?

by VivaStPauli Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:17 pm

It's NOT part of the game, it's outside the game, that's why it's punishable: it is cheating.

You might as well ask what's wrong with doping, or drugging your opponents, or stabbing Messi in the knee before the Clasico.

by REWB Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:19 pm

sportsczy wrote:How about that it's cheating. You're simulating fake contact to con the officials and the game. Football is a contact sport... it's not tennis. If you want to avoid contact, pick another sport.

How is this even a question ffs.

rwo power wrote:What's wrong with diving? Nothing if it is into a deep pool of water

Otherwise it is a nuisance as it make the ref's job even harder, especially as long as there is no video technology allowed.

ahh yeah true true, i guess that's understandable. yeah diving is bad and deserves a yellow i cant argue with that.

by Adit Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:20 pm

Btw From FIFA rule....our game rule itself says diving is wrong

'' If a player attempt to deceive the referee by feigning Injury or pretending to have been fouled''- Yellow card on spot...

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

Now the question must be how the fk is diving not wrong according to football law?

by Art Morte Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:52 pm

It's cheating and against the rules.

by urbaNRoots Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:24 pm

Art Morte wrote:It's cheating and against the rules.

by Bellabong Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:50 pm

It's better to describe it as an exploit that's only recently being adressed than cheating.

Before there was an official rule, which exists only because FIFA doesn't want hindsight involved in refereeing decisions quite a few cultures even praised diving. Was it dishonourable? Yes. Is it disgraceful? No, because you are using whatever means available to get an advantage by winning a free kick/penalty for your team. Hence the specific punishment for "tactical fouls".

Feigning an injury/simulation IS disgraceful though because it's not only trying to get another player carded and punished but it also wastes time and has a cry wolf effect.

English commentators praise players for tactical fouls and yet it's the same boat as diving because it's breaking the rules on purpose.

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:54 pm

Well obviously diving to trick the ref when there is no contact in order to get a call in your favor is wrong. But it's not always so clear. I think it's illustrative to look at what RVP said about it a few years ago:

"Sometimes when you are in the middle of an 'action' and you get a little push, and you know there's nothing more to take. Basically, the guy pushed you and finished the whole action. Then you're in the right to show, in a way, to the referee that you've been pushed. Know what I mean?

"That's not really diving. It's just saying: 'Come on, he just pushed me, so I can't score now'. You sometimes make a little movement with your arms or with your body, yeah. But I don't think that's really cheating. I never have the intention to dive. Just to play honest football. I am against divers. It is just not honest, but it is difficult. But sometimes you are knocked off balance a bit and it looks a bit funny.

"For example at Manchester United, after the whole Eduardo thing, I had the ball on the right side and I cut it back. [Patrice] Evra gave me a little push – a really little one – but it sort of over-balanced me. I just fell down and the whole stadium started to boo me. I was like: 'Come on, can't you see he pushed me?' "

"Some people don't see these little pushes and they can give you a whole different picture to what the situation really is. On the other hand, I saw Zürich play Real Madrid the other week and the guy [Zürich's Alexandre Alphonse] dived when he got a penalty. An obvious dive. He just went to the keeper and dived. That was clear.

I don't think he's entirely wrong to embellish. He should bring the action to the ref's attention, and the only way he can do that is by going to the ground. It's up to the ref to decide whether that was a foul or not, but as a player chances are that if you don't go to the ground then the ref will do nothing, even if the defender had done an illegal move on you.

That being said, staying in the ground while crying like Di Maria or Busi is not right, and neither is crowding the ref to pressure him. But I don't think it's wrong to bring an action to the ref's attention by falling down more easily.

by Dutti Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Where's that Van Basten thread?

That's actually better than this.

by Onyx Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:57 pm

Because the player is trying to cheat?

by ronalessi Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:02 pm

OP is not convinced. :coffee:

by VanDeezNuts Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:03 pm

you really need reasons to 'change your opinion' on diving?

diving is a disgrace, and this thread is ridiculous.

by FalcaoPunch Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:05 pm

Why is this even being asked.

It's disgusting to watch. Especially when simulating injury and trying to get another player carded or worse diving in the box to be awarded an penalty to gain an unfair advantage.

I can't believe you are seriously asking this.

by jibers Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:22 pm

ColoJunior wrote:Why is this even being asked.

It's disgusting to watch. Especially when simulating injury and trying to get another player carded or worse diving in the box to be awarded an penalty to gain an unfair advantage.

I can't believe you are seriously asking this.

OP is aware that he has one of the biggest divers in football, so in order for OP not to criticise his team, OP has to pretend that diving is okay. OP was probably one of the people that called out people, but now that OP's team has multiple offenders, it is seen as alright. Good luck with your honest goals of 2013 OP.

OP pls

by Bellabong Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:32 pm

The same line of reasoning you guys are using can be used to reason that a drug user should be punished more than a dealer. That a minor should be punished for alcohol/tobacco (and Marijuana in NL) usage and not the person who provided them with it.

I don't get why you guys would rather criticize the player for using the opportunity instead of FIFA for making out possible.

by Raptorgunner Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:35 pm

Diving is a Art imo, and should be allowed if your team is desperate to win the game. Proud

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