Kaka = Out

Scuderio wrote:so u guys wanna come and dish it out because he didn't perform in this game? really? after the last games he didn't even play as a sub and now u're expecting something out of him? drop the whole team on him? really? kaka is clearly not the same player but to go on hating him cause he didn't produce in this match? stop pointing fingers really cause in all honestly the whole team played bad today.

Well said.


I ve warned about this and that's actually why i didnt want kaka to start. Kaka is a breed on his own, he's a delicate type of player, he's no alex sanchez or higuain type of player whom you can bench and use anytime. Kaka might not be the the Milan Kaka anymore but he has more than what it takes to win madrid trophies if he was handled right.

I had bad feelings about the madrid campaign since the beginning of April, before all this bad spell happened, i predicted it, it was a bad feeling in my gut, ever since Di Maria returned. Kaka at that time was producing man of the matches (with an s) performances, match in match out. He actually reached a state of readiness which took almost half a season to reach there, but mourinho pulled the plug on him, and as we said kaka is not any type of player, he's more emotionally inclined.

Now that said, kaka will be sold in the summer, nothing will change this fact now. I am just sad because Madrid couldve had the best season this year if we knew how to utilize him. I think we failed.

Go Kaka Save urself :lol!:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Potential wrote:Give us Kaka + 20M and you'll have Ibrahimovic; he scores more penalties than the entire EPL :dance:

and he flops in CL, no thanks

LOL. Milan's best player in the CL for the past 2 years creatively and through goals and he's a flop? This myth has to stop.

Was Kaká ever = in?

In Madrid, I mean. Because Milan got a hell of a deal.

Sushi Master wrote:Was Kaká ever = in?

In Madrid, I mean. Because Milan got a hell of a deal.

No, he wasn't. He's been excellent against relegation fodder but against quality teams he's not good enough anymore.

His concentration is poor and he's nowhere near as athletic as he used to be. It would be much easier to accept if we hadn't paid as much as we did for him. Second/third largest transfer in history, basically.

Prior to last night's game Kaka hasn't played a competitive game for 14 days, don't know how you'd expect him to be sharp.

The problem wasn't Kaka, the problem last night was the team got gassed at the 80th mark , and couldn't counter attack properly. Honestly being 2-0 up within the first 20 min was the best start u could've asked for and considering you were at home it was just very sloppy of you to concede that penalty.

However i do agree its best that Kaka move on as this team does not suit him , as he operates best with a more centralised midfield approach. Pity though i would've liked to see how Madrid play a 4-3-2-1, which i thought was a feasible strategy against Bayern who historically have a habit of losing against against teams that starve them of possession.

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:Prior to last night's game Kaka hasn't played a competitive game for 14 days, don't know how you'd expect him to be sharp.

The problem wasn't Kaka, the problem last night was the team got gassed at the 80th mark , and couldn't counter attack properly. Honestly being 2-0 up within the first 20 min was the best start u could've asked for and considering you were at home it was just very sloppy of you to concede that penalty.

However i do agree its best that Kaka move on as this team does not suit him , as he operates best with a more centralised midfield approach. Pity though i would've liked to see how Madrid play a 4-3-2-1, which i thought was a feasible strategy against Bayern who historically have a habit of losing against against teams that starve them of possession.

true, we made very little rotation in the past couple of weeks, and if i recall that very same team played Atletico as well. He clearly looked like he was lacking sharpness.

we have never played that formation tho, and our game is not possession oriented at core, so frankly i was never expecting that. Mourinho was happy to relinquish possession as we often see in la liga, it's not his style to look to dominate the ball, our team isnt set up that way.

Sorry...but worst player on the field was Di Maria....other than that penalty he was anonymous (the shot wasn't even going on target which makes me think he was trying to hit Alaba's hand)

Kaka should come back to Serie A

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:Prior to last night's game Kaka hasn't played a competitive game for 14 days, don't know how you'd expect him to be sharp.

The problem wasn't Kaka, the problem last night was the team got gassed at the 80th mark , and couldn't counter attack properly. Honestly being 2-0 up within the first 20 min was the best start u could've asked for and considering you were at home it was just very sloppy of you to concede that penalty.

However i do agree its best that Kaka move on as this team does not suit him , as he operates best with a more centralised midfield approach. Pity though i would've liked to see how Madrid play a 4-3-2-1, which i thought was a feasible strategy against Bayern who historically have a habit of losing against against teams that starve them of possession.

true, we made very little rotation in the past couple of weeks, and if i recall that very same team played Atletico as well. He clearly looked like he was lacking sharpness.

we have never played that formation tho, and our game is not possession oriented at core, so frankly i was never expecting that. Mourinho was happy to relinquish possession as we often see in la liga, it's not his style to look to dominate the ball, our team isnt set up that way.

I agree with this, i merely thought it be nice to see it at some point during Kaka's stay at Real.

I will be honest and say that he has slipped down his peak, BUT he is still useful. That one break where he was on his own vs Boateng & Budstuber 3-4 years ago he'd power past both and finish on the angle. That part of his game is dwindling pretty fast.

Also i agree with huntsman that its also part mental ( although not as big a part as he would make it seem to be) finding himself in the positions that he did , and tbh he did well to get into dangerous positions, apart from Marcelo he was the only one who got away from his markers on several occasions, he lacked killer instinct and a diminished belief in his own finishing abilities.

I think this game highlighted allot of subtle weaknesses within the Real Madrid team as a squad and their style of play. You guys really have a great team but no matter how great a team, when put under immense pressure more and more of your of teams weaknesses are exposed.

I think the idea that Ronaldo polarizes the team's play is a valid one, in less pressurized situations you don't really take note, but last night there was instances where i though Ronaldo's presence had a direct influence on players decision making skills.

The situation where Benz got passed Badstuber after he slipped and then squared it to Ronaldo who was marked by 2 players, when Kaka was left virutally free inside the box

Later in the game Kaka got space infront of the Bayern box and tried to dribble towards Ronaldo, whilst Higuain was in a great position to be slipped in, Kaka didn't even see him as his attention was firmly focused on getting the ball to Ronaldo

And lastly where Kaka took down the cross onto his chest, he should have volleyed it across towards far post but realised where Ronaldo was and sought to lay it off for him.

Not necessarily a crime to play towards your best player, but it was affecting your players decision making and imo resulted in chances being left begging. The pressure of the situation just aggravated this to the point of desperation almost, much like how Barca , Milan and Arsenal would resort to playing in times of need.

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:
I agree with this, i merely thought it be nice to see it at some point during Kaka's stay at Real.

I will be honest and say that he has slipped down his peak, BUT he is still useful. That one break where he was on his own vs Boateng & Budstuber 3-4 years ago he'd power past both and finish on the angle. That part of his game is dwindling pretty fast.

Also i agree with huntsman that its also part mental ( although not as big a part as he would make it seem to be) finding himself in the positions that he did , and tbh he did well to get into dangerous positions, apart from Marcelo he was the only one who got away from his markers on several occasions, he lacked killer instinct and a diminished belief in his own finishing abilities.

I think this game highlighted allot of subtle weaknesses within the Real Madrid team as a squad and their style of play. You guys really have a great team but no matter how great a team, when put under immense pressure more and more of your of teams weaknesses are exposed.

I think the idea that Ronaldo polarizes the team's play is a valid one, in less pressurized situations you don't really take note, but last night there was instances where i though Ronaldo's presence had a direct influence on players decision making skills.

The situation where Benz got passed Badstuber after he slipped and then squared it to Ronaldo who was marked by 2 players, when Kaka was left virutally free inside the box

Later in the game Kaka got space infront of the Bayern box and tried to dribble towards Ronaldo, whilst Higuain was in a great position to be slipped in, Kaka didn't even see him as his attention was firmly focused on getting the ball to Ronaldo

And lastly where Kaka took down the cross onto his chest, he should have volleyed it across towards far post but realised where Ronaldo was and sought to lay it off for him.

Not necessarily a crime to play towards your best player, but it was affecting your players decision making and imo resulted in chances being left begging. The pressure of the situation just aggravated this to the point of desperation almost, much like how Barca , Milan and Arsenal would resort to playing in times of need.

Kaka had a good run when Di Maria was injured for about two months, and he helped out a lot. So i cant say he was useless, i actually thought he looked a little fat last night. The mental part is for him to deal with but it's impossible for us to make him the center piece of everything we do when he is so unreliable, it's just not possible.

As a squad, i love how people keep looking at our team and just think we are wonderful but frankly, our bench isnt that good. That's something that has looked obvious last night and in the past couple of weeks because we had no one that could come out and have a huge impact in their of his style. the biggest name on the bench is Higuain but he is a poacher, so he cant impact the game. Calljon is a runner and he hardly does anything impressive on the ball, and Granero is more spirit than skills. We lacked a B plan last night i think.

As for the weakness, they were known already for the most part. Little Build up, over reliance on wingers individuality, and a bit of nervousness to finish the job but that's expecting given that we are still relatively young.

Spot on about ronaldo, but that's just something we can work on as a team. I am not sure if it's something a coach will point out on video, but i do know that if we promote a more collective system of play where the player in space is to be fed, we would see less of that. In a tense moment like that i can only assume that their vision shrunk and they were looking to defer to the best scorer.

I am gonno say this again, I just dont want to see Di Maria face anymore, i am soooo sick and tired of him screwing all the balls he receaves every frekin game. Please mou, end this, get this cancer out of the team.

Kaka out Borja in.
Maria out Neymar in.

Those 2 are very important. We also need midfeilders, fullbacks, and probably another young winger with top potential.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:
I agree with this, i merely thought it be nice to see it at some point during Kaka's stay at Real.

I will be honest and say that he has slipped down his peak, BUT he is still useful. That one break where he was on his own vs Boateng & Budstuber 3-4 years ago he'd power past both and finish on the angle. That part of his game is dwindling pretty fast.

Also i agree with huntsman that its also part mental ( although not as big a part as he would make it seem to be) finding himself in the positions that he did , and tbh he did well to get into dangerous positions, apart from Marcelo he was the only one who got away from his markers on several occasions, he lacked killer instinct and a diminished belief in his own finishing abilities.

I think this game highlighted allot of subtle weaknesses within the Real Madrid team as a squad and their style of play. You guys really have a great team but no matter how great a team, when put under immense pressure more and more of your of teams weaknesses are exposed.

I think the idea that Ronaldo polarizes the team's play is a valid one, in less pressurized situations you don't really take note, but last night there was instances where i though Ronaldo's presence had a direct influence on players decision making skills.

The situation where Benz got passed Badstuber after he slipped and then squared it to Ronaldo who was marked by 2 players, when Kaka was left virutally free inside the box

Later in the game Kaka got space infront of the Bayern box and tried to dribble towards Ronaldo, whilst Higuain was in a great position to be slipped in, Kaka didn't even see him as his attention was firmly focused on getting the ball to Ronaldo

And lastly where Kaka took down the cross onto his chest, he should have volleyed it across towards far post but realised where Ronaldo was and sought to lay it off for him.

Not necessarily a crime to play towards your best player, but it was affecting your players decision making and imo resulted in chances being left begging. The pressure of the situation just aggravated this to the point of desperation almost, much like how Barca , Milan and Arsenal would resort to playing in times of need.

Kaka had a good run when Di Maria was injured for about two months, and he helped out a lot. So i cant say he was useless, i actually thought he looked a little fat last night. The mental part is for him to deal with but it's impossible for us to make him the center piece of everything we do when he is so unreliable, it's just not possible.

As a squad, i love how people keep looking at our team and just think we are wonderful but frankly, our bench isnt that good. That's something that has looked obvious last night and in the past couple of weeks because we had no one that could come out and have a huge impact in their of his style. the biggest name on the bench is Higuain but he is a poacher, so he cant impact the game. Calljon is a runner and he hardly does anything impressive on the ball, and Granero is more spirit than skills. We lacked a B plan last night i think.

As for the weakness, they were known already for the most part. Little Build up, over reliance on wingers individuality, and a bit of nervousness to finish the job but that's expecting given that we are still relatively young.

Spot on about ronaldo, but that's just something we can work on as a team. I am not sure if it's something a coach will point out on video, but i do know that if we promote a more collective system of play where the player in space is to be fed, we would see less of that. In a tense moment like that i can only assume that their vision shrunk and they were looking to defer to the best scorer.

As cruel as it sounds you can't cater for Kaka's needs that has been well established so far, you are right that Mou can only do so much for a player but ultimately it falls onto them to pick up their game and be themselves.

The bench does not lack talent , but it doesn't not have the right type of talent needed to supplement a team as demanding as yours. What i mean by that is , that said player cannot be 1 dimensional but should have multiple facets to his game along with specialising in a certain trait. The obvious one was simply the need for a ball winning dm, but one with a good grasp on tactical positioning, physically exceptional and a conductor of play. Xabi has two of the mentioned above, but he needs to be supplemented with a ball winner who is more mobile than Khedira, who is a b2b midfielder playing a pseudo-ball winner role. Of all the Jose Mourinho's sides this is the only one without a true defensive midfielder,

The Ronaldo part was not just directed at Real but most teams that have that Elite player who they turn to in times of desperation, that just stems from a lack of belief in ones own ability, or over reliance on others brilliance. I think it plays a huge role into creating leaders in your team, if you look back into the past. Kaka became the best player in the world, not just because of his talent but because he became the focal point of the team after Shevchenko left. Messi is just the same , Dinho's departure paved the way for him to become the focus of the team and Pep built his team around his needs. I do believe Ronaldo to be a goat type player but one must admit that in terms of Talent he isn't that much better than Benz, Ozil or Kaka.

Alonso is just too slow. Teams know this and just pressure him.

mtfootball, your logic is laughable, and please don't take that the wrong way. Kaka is mediocre because he's slow, Xabi Alonso is slow etc., football isn't all about pace. That's not to say I disagree with this thread, but it would be more appreciated if you could actually give more depth, instead of puerile posts.

Kaka is past it, we all know that, but it was the right decision to bring him on yesterday, mainly because di Maria was erratic offensively. I don't understand the Argentine, he had a fantastic start to the season, was probably Real Madrid's best attacking outlet, gets injured, comes back, receives another injury and doesn't look the same. To be honest, he has always lacked a footballing brain, but no doubt he is still a top class player. However, maybe investing in another winger to add competition would help. Back to Kaka, you could see why he was brought on, but please don't try and defend him by saying he's not played for over a week. He was still present in training, so you really can't use that as an excuse for his poor performance. He was all over the place, contributed little to the attack and was largely disappointing.

Will Mourinho keep him? It's a 50-50. At the start of the season, when he was given a chance, he was better than Ozil, to be fair. But then he has performances like this which make you think that he will never be the player he once used to be. Personally, Real Madrid have to sell him, they have been patient for far too long, no consistent is present whatsoever.

I'm not talking slow as in pace, I'm saying slow as in Alonso is slow on the ball and not agile.

mtfootball wrote:I'm not talking slow as in pace, I'm saying slow as in Alonso is slow on the ball and not agile.

That's funny because in the first half, when Xabi Alonso received the ball, he quickly sent fantastic balls to di Maria. It's not his fault, it's Mourinho's for not having enough faith in a three man midfield or at least attempting to add Ozil back into the equation. When you look at Bayern Munich, they play exactly the same formation, however, Kroos drops back and that's when the trouble starts. If Ozil did that, you would be more of a great team. The positive side, though, is that Sahin will get more of a look in (in pre season) and next season, so in that regard, we'll definitely see a much better midfield, I reckon.

by this logic we should get rid of higuain then , we should really stop pointing fingers cause that ain't gonna fix nothing. the teams ok, if madrid wanna bring 1 player or two and sell someone fine, but really stop hating on people cause they didn't perform when they needed him cause it really is kind of hypocritical that you hate on one player the whole season, for him not being what was expected of him, and now after 2 weeks of not letting him play because di maria came back you expect him to save our asses in a CL semifinal. really smart, let's dish out at the guy for failing on us. amazing logic. i insist, this season was pretty good IMO. madrid can still improve. what i see from this is that people are simply butthurt and were already thinking we won la decima

When teams are pressing high and the CB's have the ball, would they give the ball to Alonso? I don't think it would happen since Alonso is slow on the ball.

II Capitano wrote:

mtfootball wrote:I'm not talking slow as in pace, I'm saying slow as in Alonso is slow on the ball and not agile.

That's funny because in the first half, when Xabi Alonso received the ball, he quickly sent fantastic balls to di Maria. It's not his fault, it's Mourinho's for not having enough faith in a three man midfield or at least attempting to add Ozil back into the equation. When you look at Bayern Munich, they play exactly the same formation, however, Kroos drops back and that's when the trouble starts. If Ozil did that, you would be more of a great team. The positive side, though, is that Sahin will get more of a look in (in pre season) and next season, so in that regard, we'll definitely see a much better midfield, I reckon.

agreed, sahin is young and even though he hasn't played much he has shown he can fit in pretty well, just needs more playing time that i'm sure this coming season he will get.

Great logic. Xavi is slow on the ball, too, lol, this is pointless. And, yeah, Scuderio, I would like to see more of Sahin, Xabi Alonso and Khedira in the center of the park. I think it would work effectively, purely because you would dictate play more, have two fantastic passers of the ball, one amazing defensive midfielder who never stops running, and it would relieve pressure off Xabi Alonso. Mourinho is adventurous, I just wish he would show more of that with Real Madrid.

Xavi is agile, Alonso isn't.

II Capitano wrote:Kaka is past it, we all know that

I do know what's restraining kaka from regaining his previous form and i mean physical barriers (not psychological and mindset). I guarantee that i can bring back kaka to almost his best and that's no joke. I will see what i can do about it but i dont know whether my message will be heard or not, but i will do what i can.

That said, he should leave madrid preferably to AC Milan where he will be in the same age group as most of the players. Milan will participate in the champions league as well so go guess what will happen if kaka rejoins them and restores his old form.

Madrid is not his club was never his to begin with. It's a rich-man's club.

Kaka OUT
Ronaldo OUT


Muntari IN
R.Queramsa IN