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Post by windkick Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:15 pm

Silva has BEEN STARTING for Spain. Wtf is up with half of you complaing about Silva not getting any time when he has been starting and playing full matches?

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Post by Magricos Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:25 pm

windkick wrote:Silva has BEEN STARTING for Spain. Wtf is up with half of you complaing about Silva not getting any time when he has been starting and playing full matches?

This. It's like people haven't been watching the matches. Silva gets more mins than Fabregas.

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Post by Nishankly Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:42 pm

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Nishank wrote:Arbeloa is played at LB ahead of Enrique :facepalm:
arbeloa is better


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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Post by Doc Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:08 pm

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Doc wrote:To be honest, if Abidal was Spanish, he would have started over all of them just to show how much Don Vicente "enjoys" picking Barcelona players. It works for him so, why mess with it.

Enrique's only problem when it comes to call ups is playing for Newcastle.

Well thats arguable yes, but seeing as he now plays for Liverpool that is no longer an excuse and there has been 2 or 3 opportunities to call him up since he signed for them......

There are simply no reasons not to call him up other than VDB's obvious bias for La Liga players.

I see I'm not up to date with that transfer. Quite inexcusable really since we're in October. My apologies. But what's wrong with him being bias towards La Liga based players. If La Liga players are giving him the results he desires, why mess with something that works. One must remember he is managing a National team and doesn't have much time to work with the players so Don Vicente would choose who is accustomed to the tactics he designates.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:28 pm

There's nothing wrong with it, but when easily the best left back the country has to offer doesnt get picked one has to question why.....
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Post by Magricos Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:45 pm

The reality is if Capdevila moves in January most likely he can get back the LB position.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:51 pm

Magricos wrote: The reality is if Capdevila moves in January most likely he can get back the LB position.

Enrique is better than Capdevila ever was.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:46 pm

Godbeloa is better.

I shouldn't have to tell Liverpool fans that.

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Post by Magricos Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:57 pm

Arbeloa will be the LB if he starts. enough matches

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:02 pm

Enrique is faster, stronger better crossed and defender than Arbeloa. Enrique was only beaten 9 times by wingers in PL in 38 games. Fine I'll say it I won't swap Jose with any left back in the world atm

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Post by Zealous Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:04 pm

Well Arbeloa is just all round more awesome so there.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:13 pm

Sepi wrote:Enrique is faster, stronger better crossed and defender than Arbeloa. Enrique was only beaten 9 times by wingers in PL in 38 games. Fine I'll say it I won't swap Jose with any left back in the world atm

I would'nt i said the same thing when he was at Newcastle, unfortunatly we had to sell him Sad
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:34 pm

Sepi wrote:Enrique is faster, stronger better crossed and defender than Arbeloa. Enrique was only beaten 9 times by wingers in PL in 38 games. Fine I'll say it I won't swap Jose with any left back in the world atm

That is impossible.

Source?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:46 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:
Sepi wrote:Enrique is faster, stronger better crossed and defender than Arbeloa. Enrique was only beaten 9 times by wingers in PL in 38 games. Fine I'll say it I won't swap Jose with any left back in the world atm

That is impossible.

Source?


No its true, he is almost impossible to pass which is why i rave about him hes an absolute rock defensively and also technically giften and good going forward.....


Here are the stats with comparisons to over leading LB's......

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Best LB Spain have by absolutely miles, only reason he got no recognition until now is because he played for Newcastle until recently.
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Post by Le Samourai Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:33 am

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
Sepi wrote:Enrique is faster, stronger better crossed and defender than Arbeloa. Enrique was only beaten 9 times by wingers in PL in 38 games. Fine I'll say it I won't swap Jose with any left back in the world atm

That is impossible.

Source?


No its true, he is almost impossible to pass which is why i rave about him hes an absolute rock defensively and also technically giften and good going forward.....


Here are the stats with comparisons to over leading LB's......

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Best LB Spain have by absolutely miles, only reason he got no recognition until now is because he played for Newcastle until recently.

F**k, that is an amazing stat.

Something is wrong with those stats though.Am I supposed to believe Evra's made 0 defenseve errors in 38 games? No

However comparatively to all the other players he seems pretty great.

Don't get too hung up on stats though.PFK was a statistical beast.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:41 am

I dont, infact i hate how the world is hung up on stats.... be it goals scored, goals created etc etc ........

You just asked for proof and i gave you it that is all........

But i have watched him consistently for 4 years and i know how great he is and now Liverpool fans are taking notice aswell and there is no doubt in my mind he should start for Spain and hope soon he is called up because he definitely deserves it.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:53 am

ragbirjosh wrote:Godbeloa is better.

I shouldn't have to tell Liverpool fans that.


Enrique is better and yes Liverpool fans know Arbeloa better than anyone else.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:57 am

I read few weeks before Ballauge saying VDB only travel to La liga games and since New castle matches werent telecasted in TV much in Spain he never watched Enrique much and hence didnt call him up.

I dont know how many Liverpool matches are telecasted in Spain but there are enough to get VDB to select Enrique for Euros.He deserves the call up imo.
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Post by Nishankly Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:18 am

Enrique IMO is the current best LB in the PL.

Evra is bollocks defensively. Cole went out of my ratings the moment Kelly raped him .... twice.

Real fans watched the Everton LFC with so much intent .. This confirms the fact that they were just trolling their and not watching the match... Enrique was our second best player in August.. Im pretty sure he will be the best in September when sepi does his review.

The point is that Liverpool fans watched Arbeloa at his peak and were sure that Enrique is much better than him ..
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Post by BarcaKizz Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:15 pm

Well tbh both Alba and Enrique should be picked consistently. In the system Spain plays they need outlets, and Capdevila and Ramos provided great outlets. Arbeloa isn't a bad fullback at all. He's good, but the other 2 are both great auxiliary wingers. For Spain, attacking is almost more important for the fullbacks and its not as if Alba or Enrique are rubbish defenders anyway.

The Barca selections are warranted in my opinion... they play well together, so he may as well pick them. So yes, it would make sense if Enrique played for Barca, and he got picked. He would, simple.

However, it wouldn't make sense if he played for RM and got favourable treatment... Their system isn't really beneficial at all.

After all, I think VDB is just sticking with his core group no matter what, they've helped him in the past and they're winning so he doesn't want to change. This is why he picks Arbeloa and Torres etc...
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Post by Magricos Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:17 pm

Alba adds a lot attacking wise.

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Post by RedOranje Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:29 pm

PFK was not even that good statistically, let alone great...
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Post by Zealous Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:42 pm

BarcaKizz wrote:Well tbh both Alba and Enrique should be picked consistently. In the system Spain plays they need outlets, and Capdevila and Ramos provided great outlets. Arbeloa isn't a bad fullback at all. He's good, but the other 2 are both great auxiliary wingers. For Spain, attacking is almost more important for the fullbacks and its not as if Alba or Enrique are rubbish defenders anyway.

The Barca selections are warranted in my opinion... they play well together, so he may as well pick them. So yes, it would make sense if Enrique played for Barca, and he got picked. He would, simple.

However, it wouldn't make sense if he played for RM and got favourable treatment... Their system isn't really beneficial at all.

After all, I think VDB is just sticking with his core group no matter what, they've helped him in the past and they're winning so he doesn't want to change. This is why he picks Arbeloa and Torres etc...

Our entire system goes to sh*t if the LB isn't good at going forward.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:42 pm

Magricos wrote: Alba adds a lot attacking wise.


So do Enrique
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Post by futbol_bill Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:47 pm

BarcaKizz wrote:After all, I think VDB is just sticking with his core group no matter what, they've helped him in the past and they're winning so he doesn't want to change. This is why he picks Arbeloa and Torres etc...

Actually you got it right (speaking from a spanish perspective).

The team is set for next Euro (going with basically same team as WC).

Torres is on thin ice tho as he has been off form for a couple of years now. He´s being given chances to redeem himself given his contributions in the past, but he likely will be a last minute decision. It´s between Negredo, Llorente, Torres and I believe Soldado is on the radar as well. I suspect only 2 of them will be on Euro team.

There are a couple of spots not yet determined in defense (Capdelvila is gone (advancing age plus he is not on CL squad so he can´t play himself back), Marchena also gone and Puyol likely can not be counted on. Albiol isn´t solid enough to start so Ramos may get the nod at CB, other possibilities he has tried are Busquets and Javi Martinez plus he did call up Botia and Dominquez (but didn´t give them any game action) For the DB he has called up Montoya, Monreal in the past now Alba and yes there is the possibility of Enrique. Bottom line is he may call all of these up for pre Euro camp and then chose from there. Starters tho will likely be existing team members with the new arrivals being reserves. Other factor to consider is given the wealth of talent up front they may go with only 5 or 6 natural defenders to make the 23 man squad.

There also is a conflict with schedule for Euro and Olympics (euro ends beginning of July and Olympics begins July 25th). I highly doubt whether anyone will play in both summer tournaments so there are issues in selection of Mata, Javi Martinez, Thiago, Montoya.

My opinion is the final 23 Euro team will be as follows:

Casillas, Valdes, Reina
Ramos, Arbeloa, Pique, Puyol, Albiol plus one of Monreal, Alba or Enrique
Busquets, Alonso, Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Cazorla
Silva, Navas, Villa, Pedro (Navas is the one doubt I have here)
Negredo, Llorente, Torres

and one of Mata or Javi Martinez (the Olympic teams needs them both but both are good enough for this team). They may try to play both tournaments.
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:14 pm

Dunno about enrique being stronger.. gotta disagree there
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