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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:45 am

babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.


Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy


I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy


I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.

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Post by Babun Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:49 am

Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.


Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy


I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy


I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.
I'll make it short. When he played for AC Milan the midfield consisted of Pirlo, Gattuso, Zeedorf and him Very Happy
It makes a world of a difference if you pair him with Ramires, Hernanes and Lucas Very Happy They can run full speed for 90 minutes Very Happy Pato, Neymar and their other attackers aren't oldies either. They need a link between midfield and attack= Dinho Very Happy Brazil is capable of compensating his presense...
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Post by Ganso Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:11 am

Leiva or Luis Gustavo can be the "super defensive dm",in the end we will play

-----Leiva-Gustavo-----
hulk-----Dinho----Neymar
-------Pato/Damiao-------

What we need the most is a clinical finisher,there will be an explosion of creativity with alves,hulk,marcelo,neymar,dinho,marcelo etc,and someone will need to finish.

Also Hulk will have to learn to track back,neymar and ronaldinho do it,so should he
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Post by Catracho Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:19 am

Arquitecto not giving Dinho the credit he deserves...

Dinho is at his FITTEST period. He couldnt do this in Italy cuz he wasnt motivated. He's won basically everything Europe has to offer, so why try?

in Brazil he's only won a Gauchao... he's trying to make his claim for glory in South America.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:21 am

babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.


Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy


I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy


I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.
I'll make it short. When he played for AC Milan the midfield consisted of Pirlo, Gattuso, Zeedorf and him Very Happy
It makes a world of a difference if you pair him with Ramires, Hernanes and Lucas Very Happy They can run full speed for 90 minutes Very Happy Pato, Neymar and their other attackers aren't oldies either. They need a link between midfield and attack= Dinho Very Happy Brazil is capable of compensating his presense...

He did in fact play with that trio.

Difference was, he preferred a role on the left of a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-Dream where he would rarely link up with players (except Luca Antonini) and preferred to simply go individualistic against his markers and repeatedly squander team play be incessantly lobbing the ball into the box or attempting to through ball when in the attacking center of the midfield.

At times, this work as simply due to his talent, he would make some great balls but this was due to his talents but also the large number of times he selfishly attempted the magic balls much to the dismay of the general play.

The attack mostly had to be centered around him and it worked tremendously against small teams yet failed hard against he big ones.

Allegri was smart enough to realize this and pointed out Dinho's deficient ability to be involved directly in the team play and soon became a liability.

Pair him with Ramires, Lucas and Hernanes? I assume they will be in the 3-man midfield while Dinho will be advanced?

On paper that would work but here are reasons it would fail.

1. Dinho's failure with Milan and his end years at barca weren't due to the lack of pace or endurance around him. It was simply due to the fact that the general team play increasingly shifted away from being centered around him. If anything, he will also fail due to his inability to keep up with the pace of his fellow midfielders as his strength was primarily from his ability to take on defenders whether multiple or one-on-one and his final ball and not his link-up play which is highly overrated.

2. Menezez or any other Brazil manager will integrate a team play in which the whole team functions as a unit with interchangeable positions and versatility. Dinho's selfish and individualistic play will be detrimental to the general build-up of attacks as it seems he only looks to deploy the final ball or try to impress the crowd.

3. International stage is a whole other level from Brazilian defenses as the lines aren't as deep and defenses are astute and adept in tactic.

4. Allegri already played him as an AM/Trequartista with pacy players like Boateng (in the midfield), Pato and Robinho as he failed there again due to his inability to link-up or keep up with the pace. More time should be given to Ganso and Coutinho who actually have a further prospects and a career ahead of them.

5. Even when he did showed motivation, it simply did not work.

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Post by IAmManUnited Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:02 am

^^^
09-10 he was milans best player ffs. how is their any doubt even to that?

and fyi, hes quicker now and has lost a good load of his weight, also hes actually trying to beat ppl now and as someone said, he has much quicker players at his side than he did at milan.

Also Seria A cant be that much higher than the Brazil league, it just cant be.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:09 am

IAmManUnited wrote:^^^
09-10 he was milans best player ffs. how is their any doubt even to that?

and fyi, hes quicker now and has lost a good load of his weight, also hes actually trying to beat ppl now and as someone said, he has much quicker players at his side than he did at milan.

Also Seria A cant be that much higher than the Brazil league, it just cant be.

He was our best player.

But thats not saying much considering:

1. We finished 3rd and were destroyed by United (a game he didn't do squat in)
2. The team was centered around him.
3. We had idiots like Boriello, Huntelaar and a half season injured Pato competing with him. Not much to brag about.
4. His was fitter in the 2009-10 season then he has been now. I've seen the difference.
Brazil serie A better then the Italian league? Its a great league but on Ligue 1 comparison and nothing higher.

Italian teams are known for their strategy, tact, defenses and intelligence as its simply more difficult to play there than in Brazil where the defensive priority is near zilch.
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Post by IAmManUnited Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:53 am

Arquitecto wrote:
IAmManUnited wrote:^^^
09-10 he was milans best player ffs. how is their any doubt even to that?

and fyi, hes quicker now and has lost a good load of his weight, also hes actually trying to beat ppl now and as someone said, he has much quicker players at his side than he did at milan.

Also Seria A cant be that much higher than the Brazil league, it just cant be.

He was our best player.

But thats not saying much considering:

1. We finished 3rd and were destroyed by United (a game he didn't do squat in)
2. The team was centered around him.
3. We had idiots like Boriello, Huntelaar and a half season injured Pato competing with him. Not much to brag about.
4. His was fitter in the 2009-10 season then he has been now. I've seen the difference.
Brazil serie A better then the Italian league? Its a great league but on Ligue 1 comparison and nothing higher.

Italian teams are known for their strategy, tact, defenses and intelligence as its simply more difficult to play there than in Brazil where the defensive priority is near zilch.

He couldnt do anything againt united, that team was much fitter and had younger and was a much much better side.

U finished third had nothing to do with him, he played his role and the number of goals and assists mind the number of chances he created were more than enough.

Thats milans fault for not buying.

Thats debatable, he looks thinner now

Seria A hasnt shown in the last few years why its any better outside a strong inter side under jose that won the CL.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:28 am

IAmManUnited wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
IAmManUnited wrote:^^^
09-10 he was milans best player ffs. how is their any doubt even to that?

and fyi, hes quicker now and has lost a good load of his weight, also hes actually trying to beat ppl now and as someone said, he has much quicker players at his side than he did at milan.

Also Seria A cant be that much higher than the Brazil league, it just cant be.

He was our best player.

But thats not saying much considering:

1. We finished 3rd and were destroyed by United (a game he didn't do squat in)
2. The team was centered around him.
3. We had idiots like Boriello, Huntelaar and a half season injured Pato competing with him. Not much to brag about.
4. His was fitter in the 2009-10 season then he has been now. I've seen the difference.
Brazil serie A better then the Italian league? Its a great league but on Ligue 1 comparison and nothing higher.

Italian teams are known for their strategy, tact, defenses and intelligence as its simply more difficult to play there than in Brazil where the defensive priority is near zilch.

He couldnt do anything againt united, that team was much fitter and had younger and was a much much better side.

U finished third had nothing to do with him, he played his role and the number of goals and assists mind the number of chances he created were more than enough.

Thats milans fault for not buying.

Thats debatable, he looks thinner now

Seria A hasnt shown in the last few years why its any better outside a strong inter side under jose that won the CL.

He couldn't do anything against United simply cause he wasn't good enough. There were many other players who performed better then him in the face-off.

His numbers of goals and assists were against weak teams and due to fact that the strategy was essentially pass it to Dinho, which obviously gives him an incredible amount of chances and opportunity. You also don't count how many chances he did squander.

What does it have to do with Milan's fault for not buying? My comparison is based on the competition he had with him since your saying he was our best player whereas its not saying much considering the quality he was competing with.

And there is a difference between not succeeding in a team due to the players around you and not succeeding due to yourself. Dinho was part of the latter.

Thinner? Thats circumstantial as he doesn't looks fitter only then how he was last season but considerably less fit compared to the Leonardo season based on athleticism and pace.


Serie A even after brought to its knees has shown a considerable amount of strength and performances in Europe as I've been through this 100s of times.

The Brazilians here even agree that Brazil Serie A is not at the strength of the Italian.




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Post by Dnmac4 Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:59 am

How can you guys sit here and admit you don't watch the Brazilian league and then rate it below other leagues.

The Brazilian league is quite strong and it is on par with Portugal and the French league.

Santos was a monster team this year, and if you think that team was just Neymar and Ganso your out of your mind. That team was stacked and people are going to be very surprised when everyone grows up and you see how many good players were on that team. It's a shame that team is getting picked over but that is the state of the league.

The only issue with the league and teams in the league is that a lot of the top talent is young and therefore undisciplined to an extent.

You people act like the coach's over there don't know tactics and every game is a free for all that ends up 7-4 or something, that couldn't be furthur from the truth and is kind of racist if you think about it. The coach's have brains in there head, they know what there doing, you guys just don't watch it.

This pre season Internacional tied Barcelona and Milan in back to back days and Damião looked just as good as any striker out there, they weren't beaten 5-0 and they played quite well.

It's just an easy argument to make because most soccer fans just assume everything in Europe is better. The South American leagues are physical, fast, and technical. You could see in Copa America when a lot of the European players went back they were not used to the physical play and had to adjust.
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Post by CBarca Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:03 pm

He hasn't been the same since WC 06 and he's definitely not coming back. Ever. He might do OK...in some games with Brazil...maybe....sometimes. But that's about it.
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Post by IAmManUnited Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:26 pm

LOL at ppl u doubt the fact tho he may be never be the same again, hes still a very good player
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Post by Catracho Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:35 pm

yall must be blind..no..BEYOND BLIND.

this is the best Dinho has looked.. the healthiest this man has looked. he looks better than 09-10.. smh open your biased eyes.

and no, Serie A is not as great as you make it sound.. AC lost to Internacional.. so it MUST not be smh. Im pretty sure a Bahia defense is much more harder to unlock than a Cesena or Bari defense.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:24 pm

dnmac4 wrote:How can you guys sit here and admit you don't watch the Brazilian league and then rate it below other leagues.

The Brazilian league is quite strong and it is on par with Portugal and the French league.

Santos was a monster team this year, and if you think that team was just Neymar and Ganso your out of your mind. That team was stacked and people are going to be very surprised when everyone grows up and you see how many good players were on that team. It's a shame that team is getting picked over but that is the state of the league.

The only issue with the league and teams in the league is that a lot of the top talent is young and therefore undisciplined to an extent.

You people act like the coach's over there don't know tactics and every game is a free for all that ends up 7-4 or something, that couldn't be furthur from the truth and is kind of racist if you think about it. The coach's have brains in there head, they know what there doing, you guys just don't watch it.

This pre season Internacional tied Barcelona and Milan in back to back days and Damião looked just as good as any striker out there, they weren't beaten 5-0 and they played quite well.

It's just an easy argument to make because most soccer fans just assume everything in Europe is better. The South American leagues are physical, fast, and technical. You could see in Copa America when a lot of the European players went back they were not used to the physical play and had to adjust.

Did I say I don't watch Brazilian league? No.

And didn't I rate the league among the likes of the French and Portuguese league? I certainly think I did.

Pre-season doesn't count for anything. You know that.

Otherwise Ciro Ferrara's Juve would've won the champions league

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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:26 pm

Catracho wrote:yall must be blind..no..BEYOND BLIND.

this is the best Dinho has looked.. the healthiest this man has looked. he looks better than 09-10.. smh open your biased eyes.

and no, Serie A is not as great as you make it sound.. AC lost to Internacional.. so it MUST not be smh. Im pretty sure a Bahia defense is much more harder to unlock than a Cesena or Bari defense.

Once again, he doing it against lines that are much deeper and little pressing against him.

He looked exactly the same in 09-10 yet when teams actually pressured him rather then going on the backfoot, he disappeared.

Milan lost to Internacional on penalties.

Internacional beat a Milan side missing half its squad.

Like I said Cataracho, Brazil Serie A is among the french and portuguese league yet not as strong as the Serie A in Italia.

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Post by harhar11 Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:30 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
IAmManUnited wrote:^^^
09-10 he was milans best player ffs. how is their any doubt even to that?

and fyi, hes quicker now and has lost a good load of his weight, also hes actually trying to beat ppl now and as someone said, he has much quicker players at his side than he did at milan.

Also Seria A cant be that much higher than the Brazil league, it just cant be.

He was our best player.

But thats not saying much considering:

1. We finished 3rd and were destroyed by United (a game he didn't do squat in)
2. The team was centered around him.
3. We had idiots like Boriello, Huntelaar and a half season injured Pato competing with him. Not much to brag about.
4. His was fitter in the 2009-10 season then he has been now. I've seen the difference.
Brazil serie A better then the Italian league? Its a great league but on Ligue 1 comparison and nothing higher.

Italian teams are known for their strategy, tact, defenses and intelligence as its simply more difficult to play there than in Brazil where the defensive priority is near zilch.

I thought that dinho was your best player in the first leg, and he should have also won a penalty/freekick just outside the penalty area + red card for rio..

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Post by Babun Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:47 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.


Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy


I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy


I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.
I'll make it short. When he played for AC Milan the midfield consisted of Pirlo, Gattuso, Zeedorf and him Very Happy
It makes a world of a difference if you pair him with Ramires, Hernanes and Lucas Very Happy They can run full speed for 90 minutes Very Happy Pato, Neymar and their other attackers aren't oldies either. They need a link between midfield and attack= Dinho Very Happy Brazil is capable of compensating his presense...

He did in fact play with that trio.

Difference was, he preferred a role on the left of a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-Dream where he would rarely link up with players (except Luca Antonini) and preferred to simply go individualistic against his markers and repeatedly squander team play be incessantly lobbing the ball into the box or attempting to through ball when in the attacking center of the midfield.

At times, this work as simply due to his talent, he would make some great balls but this was due to his talents but also the large number of times he selfishly attempted the magic balls much to the dismay of the general play.

The attack mostly had to be centered around him and it worked tremendously against small teams yet failed hard against he big ones.

Allegri was smart enough to realize this and pointed out Dinho's deficient ability to be involved directly in the team play and soon became a liability.

Pair him with Ramires, Lucas and Hernanes? I assume they will be in the 3-man midfield while Dinho will be advanced?

On paper that would work but here are reasons it would fail.

1. Dinho's failure with Milan and his end years at barca weren't due to the lack of pace or endurance around him. It was simply due to the fact that the general team play increasingly shifted away from being centered around him. If anything, he will also fail due to his inability to keep up with the pace of his fellow midfielders as his strength was primarily from his ability to take on defenders whether multiple or one-on-one and his final ball and not his link-up play which is highly overrated.

2. Menezez or any other Brazil manager will integrate a team play in which the whole team functions as a unit with interchangeable positions and versatility. Dinho's selfish and individualistic play will be detrimental to the general build-up of attacks as it seems he only looks to deploy the final ball or try to impress the crowd.

3. International stage is a whole other level from Brazilian defenses as the lines aren't as deep and defenses are astute and adept in tactic.

4. Allegri already played him as an AM/Trequartista with pacy players like Boateng (in the midfield), Pato and Robinho as he failed there again due to his inability to link-up or keep up with the pace. More time should be given to Ganso and Coutinho who actually have a further prospects and a career ahead of them.

5. Even when he did showed motivation, it simply did not work.

You wrote a lot but in essense not much Very Happy Those three guys were on decline and Ronnie was the best player for me even though he wasn't fit. Against Manu, he rocked in the first leg Very Happy You talk like AC Milan's bad performances were only Dinho's fault. They had a midfield full of slowpokes and later and Ibra who wouldn't make runs to open up space. Pato is the only ones who does it and he isn't even winger Very Happy
You're so biased towards your opinion it's unbelievable Very Happy
We make it practical. Ghana is a very physical,organized team defensively and fast on counters Very Happy
See what Dinho will do to them Very Happy
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:02 pm

babun1024 wrote:
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babun1024 wrote:Even a dried up exhausted Dinho is more creative than all the midfielders Brazil have at its disposal, including Ganso etc.
Put really strong defensive mids behind him and let him orchestrate the attack, his vision/passing technique is still there Very Happy

Except we tried that at Milan as he only showed glimpses of his brilliance and it was only effective against small team.

Biggest example was Dinho against United, Madrid, and Inter.

His best position with us was on the far left.


Again, before making assumptions watch him play Very Happy
When I saw him last time for Santos, he was fitter, went into one on ones and tracked back... You know, no matter how intelligent someone is one needs raw material to gain knowledge Very Happy Dinho wasn't AC Milan's only worry at that time, half of the team was over 30...

@ganso

If you guys are really afraid of using him, something like this might work:

Alves--------------Marcelo
-------------DM-------------
-------CM---------CM-------
-------------Dinho-----------
--striker-----------striker----

The DM needs to be ultra defensive. Both CM should be able to pass and defend. Incorporate Ganso after Dinho retires, he isn't ready , yet Very Happy


I love your condescending tone.

In Brazil, they aren't exactly known for their defense.... Scratch that, its atrocious.

Fact of the matter is that Dinho could not do it against the Italian elite and in Europe.

And speaking of assuming?

Dinho was far more fit in the 2009-2010 season then he has been now.
Answer just one question. Did you watch him play recently? Very Happy


I have as he has replicated his form that he briefly had with Milan in the season with Leonardo except that he is playing a more advanced role.

Although he is playing quite well, the defenses in Brazil possess a deep line in which he has ample time to do his magic along with the fact that defensive tactics seem to be non-existent within some of the teams.
I'll make it short. When he played for AC Milan the midfield consisted of Pirlo, Gattuso, Zeedorf and him Very Happy
It makes a world of a difference if you pair him with Ramires, Hernanes and Lucas Very Happy They can run full speed for 90 minutes Very Happy Pato, Neymar and their other attackers aren't oldies either. They need a link between midfield and attack= Dinho Very Happy Brazil is capable of compensating his presense...

He did in fact play with that trio.

Difference was, he preferred a role on the left of a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-Dream where he would rarely link up with players (except Luca Antonini) and preferred to simply go individualistic against his markers and repeatedly squander team play be incessantly lobbing the ball into the box or attempting to through ball when in the attacking center of the midfield.

At times, this work as simply due to his talent, he would make some great balls but this was due to his talents but also the large number of times he selfishly attempted the magic balls much to the dismay of the general play.

The attack mostly had to be centered around him and it worked tremendously against small teams yet failed hard against he big ones.

Allegri was smart enough to realize this and pointed out Dinho's deficient ability to be involved directly in the team play and soon became a liability.

Pair him with Ramires, Lucas and Hernanes? I assume they will be in the 3-man midfield while Dinho will be advanced?

On paper that would work but here are reasons it would fail.

1. Dinho's failure with Milan and his end years at barca weren't due to the lack of pace or endurance around him. It was simply due to the fact that the general team play increasingly shifted away from being centered around him. If anything, he will also fail due to his inability to keep up with the pace of his fellow midfielders as his strength was primarily from his ability to take on defenders whether multiple or one-on-one and his final ball and not his link-up play which is highly overrated.

2. Menezez or any other Brazil manager will integrate a team play in which the whole team functions as a unit with interchangeable positions and versatility. Dinho's selfish and individualistic play will be detrimental to the general build-up of attacks as it seems he only looks to deploy the final ball or try to impress the crowd.

3. International stage is a whole other level from Brazilian defenses as the lines aren't as deep and defenses are astute and adept in tactic.

4. Allegri already played him as an AM/Trequartista with pacy players like Boateng (in the midfield), Pato and Robinho as he failed there again due to his inability to link-up or keep up with the pace. More time should be given to Ganso and Coutinho who actually have a further prospects and a career ahead of them.

5. Even when he did showed motivation, it simply did not work.

You wrote a lot but in essense not much Very Happy Those three guys were on decline and Ronnie was the best player for me even though he wasn't fit. Against Manu, he rocked in the first leg Very Happy You talk like AC Milan's bad performances were only Dinho's fault. They had a midfield full of slowpokes and later and Ibra who wouldn't make runs to open up space. Pato is the only ones who does it and he isn't even winger Very Happy
You're so biased towards your opinion it's unbelievable Very Happy
We make it practical. Ghana is a very physical,organized team defensively and fast on counters Very Happy
See what Dinho will do to them Very Happy

Back again aren't we?

Ronaldinho was in fact fit the whole season as his discipline on his diet, schedule and professionalism was top -notch under Leonardo. This, you cannot deny.

Rocked against United? LOL. Because of his early minute goal? The rest of the game he was completely peripheral and marked out by Fletcher and his backline. Watch it again.

Once again, if you would not assume by saying Ibra and the midfield is responsible for Dinho's performances, we wouldn't have this in the first place.

There is a difference between being hindered by your midfield, or just by the fact that you simply cannot cut it at the top level. How many times do I have to say this?

Ibra was our sole creator and goal scorer in the box as his performances dwargfed Ronaldinho's. His job wasn't to make runs as that was Pato's and Robinho's. Ibra even outshone Dinho when he dropped deep to distribute as Ronaldinho was simply to busy making random lobs and tricks that failed more then half of the time.

His failure in Milan was due to himself and not the others around him. "Slowpokes like Pirlo, Seedorf, and Gattuso all were more effective in there own positions then Dinho who besides being a terrible influence on his fellow brazilians, only showed glimpses of his capability yet was invisible for most of the matchs.

Bias? I guess you don't remember in the Goal forums my thread on how "Ronnie is Back!!".

Sadly I found out it could only be done against teams who don't press and who are of lower table. Why in the world would I be biased towards him? I don't show any here.

Against Ghana? I hope he does well.


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Post by free_cat Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:15 am

Ronaldinho is... wait for it... finished.
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