guardiola:we need fitness to be ready to face real madrid

"We need more time to acquire full physical fitness but the mental side of things also plays an important role,"
"Our fitness is not what it should be," he said. "Real Madrid are definitely going well and we will need more time. But I will convince my players that they can win."

I honestly see Real winning the Super copa... they've been gelling for a while now. We on the other hand are yet to play with anything even close to our first eleven. We look beyond ordinary. Couple that with our notorious slow starting and we're gonna have to concede I fear.

No problem though. Cause while I think Pep is being extremely lax, Mou is undoubtedly pushing his boys too hard, too early. It's preseason ffs and EVERY game he has close to his best 11 out there. I rather be in our shoes tbh. No matter how fit you are, you're gonna tire towards the end of the season. And these gazillion goals Real is scoring now is gonna be a distant memory when they're crying that the've lost the league for the 4th straight year. Which is going to be their reality. And I also wager that this will be CR7's last year in Spain.

Vapotrini wrote:And I also wager that this will be CR7's last year in Spain.

Now that is bold. I will remember who said this first.

I wouldnt be that surprised.

His dreams surely havent come true as his dream club, while his former club have only got better without him.

If he keeps coming up second best, despite in his mind playing outstanding and it not being his fault, its not impossible for him to have doubts.

I mean, the defensive nature of Madrid vs us last season seemed to have a pretty profound effect on him.

I too see Madrid winning the super copa.
As long as we appear ready for the new season I wouldn't mind that much though

The Franchise wrote:I wouldnt be that surprised.

His dreams surely havent come true as his dream club, while his former club have only got better without him.

If he keeps coming up second best, despite in his mind playing outstanding and it not being his fault, its not impossible for him to have doubts.

I mean, the defensive nature of Madrid vs us last season seemed to have a pretty profound effect on him.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Now obviously I could be wrong but I don't see him settling for second best again. If Real can't win a major tourny this year, I think he'll want to move on.

I as well fear Madrid, seeing as how they've been taking the preseason so seriously.

Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Cool story, bro. Forlan didn't play 65 games last season

Lionel Messi wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Cool story, bro. Forlan didn't play 65 games last season

so alexis and macherano did...cool story bro

MARADONA>messi wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Cool story, bro. Forlan didn't play 65 games last season

so alexis and macherano did...cool story bro

nice name bro cracked me up

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Fail miserably? Messi and Sanchez didn't fail miserably Messi was the player who created the most goal scoring opportunity average per 90 min in the whole tournament and IIRC messi had the highest assist in the tournement(with ganso) and would ahve higher if tevez,lavezzi and higuain(especially him) were such lousy finisher while sanchez had been chiles best player(with valdivia) and got a goal wrongly disallowed against venezuela.. Mascherano didn't fail miserably either..

Seriously did you watch the copa america?

I'm pretty puzzled by the absence of Sanchez tbh. The others had a very long year and they're already fully integrated into our system. However that's not the case with Sanchez, so why aren't we using these friendlies to incorporate him & test him in various positions? That after all is why these friendlies exist. The logic must be that he isn't going to be starting anyway, so there's plenty of time for him to familiarize himself with our style and play.

harhar11 wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Fail miserably? Messi and Sanchez didn't fail miserably Messi was the player who created the most goal scoring opportunity average per 90 min in the whole tournament and IIRC messi had the highest assist in the tournement(with ganso) and would ahve higher if tevez,lavezzi and higuain(especially him) were such lousy finisher while sanchez had been chiles best player(with valdivia) and got a goal wrongly disallowed against venezuela.. Mascherano didn't fail miserably either..

Seriously did you watch the copa america?

I mean with their country not individually. It doesn't matter that Argentina lost in penalties they should have finished them off from the beginning especially with Uruguay's team getting a red card chile's best player was vidal i didn't see what all the hype was about for sanchez

Seriously did you understand my comment?

xabi wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Cool story, bro. Forlan didn't play 65 games last season

so alexis and macherano did...cool story bro

nice name bro cracked me up

thanks?

MARADONA>messi wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

MARADONA>messi wrote:Diego forlan had joined athletico madrid three days after winning the copa america and messi,macherano,alexis have yet to join barca after failing miserably

Fail miserably? Messi and Sanchez didn't fail miserably Messi was the player who created the most goal scoring opportunity average per 90 min in the whole tournament and IIRC messi had the highest assist in the tournement(with ganso) and would ahve higher if tevez,lavezzi and higuain(especially him) were such lousy finisher while sanchez had been chiles best player(with valdivia) and got a goal wrongly disallowed against venezuela.. Mascherano didn't fail miserably either..

Seriously did you watch the copa america?

I mean with their country not individually. It doesn't matter that Argentina lost in penalties they should have finished them off from the beginning especially with Uruguay's team getting a red card chile's best player was vidal i didn't see what all the hype was about for sanchez

Seriously did you understand my comment?

You said that they failed miserably, which led me belive that you were talking on a individual level. You should have said that their country failed, although chile got unlucky with some decision from the referee

I have no idea how you could think that vidal was chiles best player, atleast ahead of valdivia...

The Franchise wrote:I wouldnt be that surprised.

His dreams surely havent come true as his dream club, while his former club have only got better without him.

If he keeps coming up second best, despite in his mind playing outstanding and it not being his fault, its not impossible for him to have doubts.

I mean, the defensive nature of Madrid vs us last season seemed to have a pretty profound effect on him.

dani, I have said before that you have a way with words. At times one needs to read your post very carefully because even one word missed out could make the reader lose the essence of what you are trying to say. An example is the line I underlined. I don't disagree with your or vapo's views but for such an expensive player at such a rich club, I just can't see him moving anywhere till his level goes down sufficiently for his price to go down significantly. At the moment only ManCity can afford him and it's very unlikely he will consider them. Chelsea maybe could afford him but it's almost as unlikely.

Also I must add a comment on our players not returning early. With our kind of small squad and the comfort level the first eleven have with each other, rest is several times more important than practice. Hence the more they rest the more it pleases me.

Thats a good point JD, his price would be very high.

The Franchise wrote:Thats a good point JD, his price would be very high.

If we have to sell that dude it will only be probably over 30-50m.

Now the wages could hinder the transfer.

If he ever did leave, I think only Manchester City would be able to afford him.

The Franchise wrote:If he ever did leave, I think only Manchester City would be able to afford him.

You never know what clubs could be bought by sheiks in the future.

Also true.

Sir Alex said he would welcome him back with open arms, duno if that is still on the table.

Doubt they would pay what you want anyway.

Jack Daniels wrote:
If we have to sell that dude it will only be probably over 30-50m.

Now the wages could hinder the transfer.

Sell him for E30m? How many years are left on his contract? Wages is a very good point.

Jack Daniels wrote:
You never know what clubs could be bought by sheiks in the future.

Good point. To give the devil it's due, if they don't eat up a club the way the owners of Portsmouth did, they do add something to football by allowing the hitherto "small" teams to come up and thus adding something to the competition. We have seen ManCity already make major progress and it remains to be seen how far they can go. This season everyone will keep an eye on PSG and Malaga. As you say there could soon be more.