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Post by izzy Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:49 pm

wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

Bold statement Wiggles. Very bold.

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Post by mezzogiornese Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:55 pm

Last year's Udinese would given them a very good game I'm positive- may have won.

However this year they've sold their best defender, Midfielder and attacker, so they'll get dumped out of the CL, dumped out of the EL, then hopefully dumped out of Serie A.

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Post by RED Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:14 pm

wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

You are deluded when it comes to serie a teams. "wiped the floor with Arsenal"? yeah right. with or without those players they would get tonked.

With Sanchez, they may have had a slim chance.
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Post by Raptorgunner Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:16 pm

wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

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Post by Iceman Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:16 pm

Honestly, I'd rather face Udinese than face Rubin Kazan because the latter would give us such a tough defensive display.

I'm not as positive as some are about how easy this is going to be for us. I'm a tad surprised that we didn't appeal RVP's red card, because all the media pressure was on our side, but without RVP we're a bit toothless up front unless Chamakh can magically regain form.

I'm not that worried though, because Chamakh usually brings out the best of our wingers.
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Post by mezzogiornese Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:17 pm

It would have been very close. This is a side who beat Palermo 7-0 and drew with milan 4-4

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:18 pm

Devil-Is-Red wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

You are deluded when it comes to serie a teams. "wiped the floor with Arsenal"? yeah right. with or without those players they would get tonked.

With Sanchez, they may have had a slim chance.

It's not just about Sanchez, they sold thier best defender in Zapata and best midfielder in Inler has gone aswell.

The only good players they have left are Asamoah, Isla, Handanovic and Di Natale.

Thier team has basically been ripped apart i dont give them a hope in hell, even if Nasri and Fabregas leaves and RVP is suspended.
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Post by RED Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:20 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Devil-Is-Red wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

You are deluded when it comes to serie a teams. "wiped the floor with Arsenal"? yeah right. with or without those players they would get tonked.

With Sanchez, they may have had a slim chance.

It's not just about Sanchez, they sold thier best defender in Zapata and best midfielder in Inler has gone aswell.

The only good players they have left are Asamoah, Isla, Handanovic and Di Natale.

Thier team has basically been ripped apart i dont give them a hope in hell, even if Nasri and Fabregas leaves and RVP is suspended.

Oh ok, my bad then. Maybe not a slim chance then, more of a good shot at beating Arsenal.
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Post by mezzogiornese Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:24 pm

Unless there's a miracle and that young Italian they've signed is the second coming of Christ Baggio and Elvis combined Udinese are getting dumped out.

Remember Di Natale is another year older too.

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Post by wigglesworth Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:25 pm

Devil-Is-Red wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

You are deluded when it comes to serie a teams. "wiped the floor with Arsenal"? yeah right. with or without those players they would get tonked.

With Sanchez, they may have had a slim chance.

No you are deluded when it comes to EPL teams. Arsenal would have gotten thumped by last year's Udinese. Full stop.
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Post by wigglesworth Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:28 pm

mezzogiornese wrote:Unless there's a miracle and that young Italian they've signed is the second coming of Christ Baggio and Elvis combined Udinese are getting dumped out.

Remember Di Natale is another year older too.


They sold the core of their defense, the core of their midfield and 50% of their attack. They replaced them with players that other teams wanted to get rid of to improve their teams. They will be this year's Sampdoria, trust me.
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Post by dostoevsky Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:28 pm

mezzogiornese wrote:Unless there's a miracle and that young Italian they've signed is the second coming of Christ Baggio and Elvis combined Udinese are getting dumped out.

Remember Di Natale is another year older too.

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In all seriousness though, this might actually be better in that they're guaranteed a Europa League place if they lose to Arsenal - assuming they haven't changed the structure - whilst they could possibly finish fourth in their group if they decided it was more important to focus on the league. It's not a view I would agree with if I were a manager, however it's one perspective.

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Post by mezzogiornese Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:32 pm

They wont take the EL seriously at all.

I think Roma should go for it this year.

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Post by McLewis Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:38 pm

Pablo Armero is another Udinese player who they didn't sell yet is one of the most underrated in the team. You guys forgot him so I just wanted to mention him when it comes to their stars.

Even without Cesc, RVP and Nasri, Arsenal still have Gervinho, Walcott, Chamakh, and Arshavin to count on against Udinese in all probability. And with Zapata gone...it's only Benatia and Handanovic that Udinese can count on at the back and that's not going to be enough.

I don't like to write teams off because of how unpredictable this sport is, but I don't see Udinese getting out of this. Let's just hope they got out with grace.
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Post by RED Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 pm

wigglesworth wrote:
Devil-Is-Red wrote:
wigglesworth wrote:
kiranr wrote:If Udinese had not sold their stars, would any of you have given them a chance?

Last year's Udinese would have wiped the floor with Arsenal.

You are deluded when it comes to serie a teams. "wiped the floor with Arsenal"? yeah right. with or without those players they would get tonked.

With Sanchez, they may have had a slim chance.

No you are deluded when it comes to EPL teams. Arsenal would have gotten thumped by last year's Udinese. Full stop.

Not even much better teams like United, Chelsea and City managed to "thump" Arsenal, so what makes you think Udinese would?
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Post by :{Mr.Mustachio! Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:42 pm

dostoevsky wrote:
mezzogiornese wrote:Unless there's a miracle and that young Italian they've signed is the second coming of Christ Baggio and Elvis combined Udinese are getting dumped out.

Remember Di Natale is another year older too.

Fabbrini! Very Happy

If he matures overnight it would improve their chances, but he's got a tough job to replace Sanchez.
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Post by nichabr Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:46 pm

i think udine might pull out with a win....arsenal arent exactly great at defending and udine play a very good attacking game even....im expecting high figures like 4-3 or 3-2
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Post by Iceman Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:49 pm

Wiggles overrating Italian teams again? Well, I guess some things never change even if we do change the forum..
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Post by Amar Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:51 pm

When's the last time an Italian team beat us in a two legged tie?

Must be at least 10 years?
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Post by djoe26 Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:55 pm

I still think Udinese has got 50/50 chance to qualify.
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Post by Josefaltafino Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:56 pm

if Udinese escape from Emirates with a 1-0 or a 2-1 i Udinese have a chance....but only then

but most likely Arsenal will win 3-0 or 4-1....

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Post by wigglesworth Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:04 pm

Iceman wrote:Wiggles overrating Italian teams again? Well, I guess some things never change even if we do change the forum..


Premfaces are always overrating EPL teams. You Premfaces have, what is called, cognitive dissonance. It means that though facts are there staring you in the face, you ignore them and think in a delusional manner. Here are some facts:

CL Winners over the past 30 years: Serie A 8 times, La Liga 7 times, EPL 5 times.

CL winners over the past 20 years: La Liga 6 times, Serie A 5 times, EPL 3 times.

CL winners over the past 10 years: La Liga 4 times, Serie A, 4 times, EPL 3 times.

CL winners over the past 5 years: Serie A 2 times, La Liga 2 times, EPL 1 time.


If Serie A has a competitor, it isn't the EPL, it is La Liga. But you premfaces just ignore the facts.


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Post by wigglesworth Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:05 pm

the_gooner wrote:When's the last time an Italian team beat us in a two legged tie?

Must be at least 10 years?

When is the last time Arsenal won a Champions League?
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Post by Iceman Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:08 pm

Great job wiggles.

How is this relevant? O.o
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Post by Amar Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:09 pm

wigglesworth wrote:
the_gooner wrote:When's the last time an Italian team beat us in a two legged tie?

Must be at least 10 years?

When is the last time Arsenal won a Champions League?

We haven't.

Now can you answer my question? Was just wondering because we've taken down Milan, Inter, Roma, and Juventus in the last 9 years, and I can't recall which Italian team last beat us in the knockout stage?


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Post by Jay29 Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:09 pm

the_gooner wrote:When's the last time an Italian team beat us in a two legged tie?

Must be at least 10 years?

More than a decade ago. I looked back about twelve years and we hadn't been knocked out by an Italian team. However, we were rather crap in Europe before the year 2000 and rarely qualified from our group. Embarassed

I did, though, find out our record against Italian clubs since the 00/01 iteration of the Champions League:

Played: 14
Won: 7
Drawn: 5
Lost: 2

Most of those are group matches. We've played an Italian team three times in the knockout round - Juventus (2006), AC Milan (2008) and Roma (2009) - and have progressed each time.

The two defeats were group games against Juventus and Inter Milan. Both away from home. Neither recent.

This isn't an attempt to put down Italian teams, by the way. Given our recent form, who knows what may happen this year?

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