Bojan to roma, jeffren to lisbon, romeu to chelsea and more...

The Franchise wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

The Franchise wrote:
You could of brought Negredo back, but you choose not to, only to get Adebayor on loan instead, despite them not being that different.

Really Dani? you think Negredo would agree to come and to become the 3rd CF? He is way too ambitious for that, and at this point he is better than Ade i think.

It's an option everybody would have jumped on, even though it was a costly one, but not realizable at all.

I dont know, but the important point of what I am saying is, Madrid didnt want him.

Negredo didnt turn Madrid down, it was the other way around.

oh yeah, we didnt handle him well, that's obvious. should have never brought him back in the first place, he was never going to get a fair shake.

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

The Franchise wrote:John Obi Mikel is a better player then it seems he is given credit for here, in my opinion anyway.

Romeu wont have an easy time getting past him, I am sure.

I agree Dani, i actually do rate him but surely you realised of all people that my sarcasm was in full force

LOL Of course.

Just saying, I see Mikel generally get very little praise and alot of stick around here over the past few years.

Naturally, i feel he personally gets stick for the same reason Lucas and Busquets gets no praise outside of the fans from the club they play in for the most part.

They all play a very unassumed role and play simple passes to the more technically gifted midfielders and forwards and not very flashy do the simple work in the engine of each team's midfield so dont really get noticed as much.

Thus unappreciated.

Of yeah, certainly. The exact same as Lucas and Busquets.

Someone has to do the simple pass in midfield, someone has to refrain from taking risks with the ball.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

The Franchise wrote:
You could of brought Negredo back, but you choose not to, only to get Adebayor on loan instead, despite them not being that different.

Really Dani? you think Negredo would agree to come and to become the 3rd CF? He is way too ambitious for that, and at this point he is better than Ade i think.

It's an option everybody would have jumped on, even though it was a costly one, but not realizable at all.

I dont know, but the important point of what I am saying is, Madrid didnt want him.

Negredo didnt turn Madrid down, it was the other way around.

oh yeah, we didnt handle him well, that's obvious. should have never brought him back in the first place, he was never going to get a fair shake.

Yeah, of course. I dont blame Madrid either actually, I dont think he is good enough for you anyway.

The Franchise wrote:We didnt sell Pique.

And more importantly, you seriously trying to say Barca and Madrid are the same with youth?

We have multiple youth players in the current team...3 of them Xavi, Iniesta and Messi..you have...Iker and nobody.

You could of brought Negredo back, but you choose not to, only to get Adebayor on loan instead, despite them not being that different.

If Soldado and he arent Madrid quality yet, they never will be.

Of course Barca fans will praise our youth system, we have produced better players and have used them.

You produce worse players, but still the odd few good ones, but still never use them.

Athletic Bilbao has a full team made almost entirely of homegrown players does that make them the best in the world? The fact is that you cannot always churn out quality players, that is why at a point in time Barcelona had more Dutch players than Catalans.

Negredo is no where near the quality of Adebayor who some seasons ago was being chased by Barcelona and Milan. Adebayor was brought in because he added something different to the attack of Madrid, he had aerial presence and could lead the line on his own. Negredo just doesn't fit that bill, maybe one day he'll prove himself somewhere, and I'll rather see him succeed elsewhere than rot on the benches of Madrid.

In couple of years, Cesc will be like Xavi, trying to bring all the players back. Most of the Barcelona youth are being kidnapped.

Raptorgunner wrote:In couple of years, Cesc will be like Xavi, trying to bring all the players back. Most of the Barcelona youth are being kidnapped.

Humble and Respectful Dynasty ftw

I didnt know people were still rating Adebayor so high

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

Raptorgunner wrote:In couple of years, Cesc will be like Xavi, trying to bring all the players back. Most of the Barcelona youth are being kidnapped.

Humble and Respectful Dynasty ftw

It runs in their DNA.

hope madrid doesnt mind when we get jese from them

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I didnt know people were still rating Adebayor so high

I think soon we all will forget Adebyhore, Ade has a lot of time going to strip clubs and wasting Man city money.

RealGunner wrote:hope madrid doesnt mind when we get jese from them

Not at all bro, and you can take Jose Rodriguez as well please, be quick with it.

RealGunner wrote:hope madrid doesnt mind when we get jese from them

Madrid aren't like Barcelona, they don't give crap lol, not cry babies. There is no Madrid DNA bullshit, if a player leaves thats it for him, no way going back.

The only thing could happen is if the player becomes good, Barcelona will say, the player has Spanish DNA and it belongs to Barcelona.

Raptorgunner wrote:

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

Raptorgunner wrote:In couple of years, Cesc will be like Xavi, trying to bring all the players back. Most of the Barcelona youth are being kidnapped.

Humble and Respectful Dynasty ftw

It runs in their DNA.

Yes but when you leave Catalunya your humble respectful strand of DNA slowly disappears.

Which is why Cesc wants to go back so Dr.Hernandez can reconfigure his DNA to once again be Humble and Respectful.

It's a long and arduous process but Cesc's DNA will one day once again be Humble and Respectful.

The Franchise wrote:We didnt sell Pique.

And more importantly, you seriously trying to say Barca and Madrid are the same with youth?

We have multiple youth players in the current team...3 of them Xavi, Iniesta and Messi..you have...Iker and nobody.

You could of brought Negredo back, but you choose not to, only to get Adebayor on loan instead, despite them not being that different.

If Soldado and he arent Madrid quality yet, they never will be.

Of course Barca fans will praise our youth system, we have produced better players and have used them.

You produce worse players, but still the odd few good ones, but still never use them.

The Negredo situation was a complicated one towards the end, he would never have come back and reconciled with the club, yet alone be 3rd Striker. Negredo >>>> Adebayor by the way.

I think Adebayor is seriously underrated, he is a good striker who made some bad choices in his career but I don't see how Negredo is better than him.

So much hypocrisy in this thread though, you praise Barcelona for buying Sanchez and selling Bojan and still criticise Madrid for selling Negredo and Soldado!

buddytaller wrote:I think Adebayor is seriously underrated, he is a good striker who made some bad choices in his career but I don't see how Negredo is better than him.

So much hypocrisy in this thread though, you praise Barcelona for buying Sanchez and selling Bojan and still criticise Madrid for selling Negredo and Soldado!

NO ONE IS PRAISING BARCA FOR IT FFS.

and besides theres a key difference, Madrid are critisized for not giving players chance how many times do i have to say this

Bojan was given plenty of chances but Soldado and Negredo was not given chances at Madrid.

How many times does this need to be said before you understand?

I don't consider 5 minutes per game as giving chances to a player, if you're going to criticize Madrid you might as well criticize Barcelona, to give your criticism some credibility.

buddytaller wrote:I don't consider 5 minutes per game as giving chances to a player, if you're going to criticize Madrid you might as well criticize Barcelona, to give your criticism some credibility.

LOL 5 MINS PER GAME

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/92802/bojan-krkic?cc=5739

I advise you to go through that

Also another key difference....

Bojan 185 appearances for Barca

Negredo 0 appearances for Real Madrid

Soldado 16 appearances for Real Madrid

:lol!:

Piece of advise:

Next to some get some facts when you want to debate something instead of relying solely on myths and bias.

buddytaller wrote:Madrid got critisized a lot when it sold its youth products with buy back options, seems like Barcelona has joined the trend.

I still think it's a good idea, some players are just not good enough to make it into the first team, and the excuse of being homegrown is sometimes pretty lame a reason to justify their selection.

In the end they may prove their worth elsewhere and return to their mother club, Arbeloa, Granero, Callejon and Pique were farmed out to various clubs and have now returned much better than they left.

This is my first post in this thread, I'm not against Barcelona selling Bojan, from your argument he was given 15 starts last season of which he probably finished just a couple or so, most of them coming after Barcelona had the league wrapped up. Majority of his first team appearances though, were as "5 minutes" subs for David Villa, but he was not good enough for the first team, so he was sold to Roma.

Here are some stats to support your criticism of Real Madrid
Nolito - 2 appearances
Soriano (he turns 26 next month) - 1 senior appearance
Armando ( he turns 27 in December) - 0 appearances!
Botia- 1 appearance before joining Gijon
Pique - 0 appearance before going to join Manchester United

buddytaller wrote:I think Adebayor is seriously underrated, he is a good striker who made some bad choices in his career but I don't see how Negredo is better than him.

So much hypocrisy in this thread though, you praise Barcelona for buying Sanchez and selling Bojan and still criticise Madrid for selling Negredo and Soldado!

Very True, he can easily compete for the WWE Championship!

buddytaller wrote:

buddytaller wrote:Madrid got critisized a lot when it sold its youth products with buy back options, seems like Barcelona has joined the trend.

I still think it's a good idea, some players are just not good enough to make it into the first team, and the excuse of being homegrown is sometimes pretty lame a reason to justify their selection.

In the end they may prove their worth elsewhere and return to their mother club, Arbeloa, Granero, Callejon and Pique were farmed out to various clubs and have now returned much better than they left.

This is my first post in this thread, I'm not against Barcelona selling Bojan, from your argument he was given 15 starts last season of which he probably finished just a couple or so, most of them coming after Barcelona had the league wrapped up. Majority of his first team appearances though, were as "5 minutes" subs for David Villa, but he was not good enough for the first team, so he was sold to Roma.

Here are some stats to support your criticism of Real Madrid
Nolito - 2 appearances
Soriano (he turns 26 next month) - 1 senior appearance
Armando ( he turns 27 in December) - 0 appearances!
Botia- 1 appearance before joining Gijon
Pique - 0 appearance before going to join Manchester United

WTF u are still dicussing this point!

Barca has 8 starting players coming from la Masia, players who started & won 2 CL Finals (2009 & 2011) to Real Madrid "Casillas &?? who?? NO BODY" u can add to them Thiago, Fontas etc..

are seriously comparing ??

Btw these stats u provided are sooo stupid, do u know that u can just have Just 11 starters on the pitch?

Armando, Soriano, Nolito were all bought for B team btw!! U can't give a Chance too all your youth, but u should try to give a chance for the Best youth on your team, & this is what Guardiola is doing!!

buddytaller wrote:

buddytaller wrote:Madrid got critisized a lot when it sold its youth products with buy back options, seems like Barcelona has joined the trend.

I still think it's a good idea, some players are just not good enough to make it into the first team, and the excuse of being homegrown is sometimes pretty lame a reason to justify their selection.

In the end they may prove their worth elsewhere and return to their mother club, Arbeloa, Granero, Callejon and Pique were farmed out to various clubs and have now returned much better than they left.

This is my first post in this thread, I'm not against Barcelona selling Bojan, from your argument he was given 15 starts last season of which he probably finished just a couple or so, most of them coming after Barcelona had the league wrapped up. Majority of his first team appearances though, were as "5 minutes" subs for David Villa, but he was not good enough for the first team, so he was sold to Roma.

Here are some stats to support your criticism of Real Madrid
Nolito - 2 appearances
Soriano (he turns 26 next month) - 1 senior appearance
Armando ( he turns 27 in December) - 0 appearances!
Botia- 1 appearance before joining Gijon
Pique - 0 appearance before going to join Manchester United

First of all Nolito, Soriano and Armando all joined for the b-team they were never considered for the first team.

Nolito was signed at 21, Soriano at 23 and Armando at 24 and were never considered for the first team as i said they are not youth talents.

Pique was under the same story as Fabregas, Barca did'nt want him to leave but he decided to because he wanted games so that hardly falls under the gategory we are discussing.

Botia is fair enough not everyone can make it in the first team, its just at Madrid since Casillas no one has made it

mole it's time to jog on and leave it bro

buddytaller wrote:
Nolito - 2 appearances
Soriano (he turns 26 next month) - 1 senior appearance
Armando ( he turns 27 in December) - 0 appearances!
Botia- 1 appearance before joining Gijon
Pique - 0 appearance before going to join Manchester United

This quite a nice fail.

Nolito is actually a Madrid youh product! We bought him when he was 20+ to revive his career. Soriano is a Espanyol youth. Armando I dunnow, but not Barça. None of them where bought to be Barça youth players, but to bring the B team to Second division.
Botia was deemed surplus and Pique left with 15, how do you want him to start for Barça??

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:mole it's time to jog on and leave it bro

U mad coz iam pointing out obvious flaw's in a fellow madrista's argument?

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:mole it's time to jog on and leave it bro

U mad coz iam pointing out obvious flaw's in a fellow madrista's argument?

not at all, it's a non argument in which he is digging his own grave, owning himself, so no need to bring your own shovel