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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:36 pm

Bear-Felix wrote:Agree with Mole

As much as I like Alonso the fact that all of Benitez, VDB, Pellegrini and Mourinho have always partnered him with a DM tells the story.

Xabi hasn't been "partnered with a DM" since Benitez.

He has been Madrid's deepest midfielder for a while now. Khedira is in charge of bringing the ball forward, being available for Xabi to pass to if he needs him or passing it to Xabi when he has the ball.

Watch A couple of Real Madrid games now and you'll be surprised if you think Alonso does the same things he did in Liverpool.

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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:38 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Zealous wrote:lone dm role

lone dm role

lone dm role

He wouldn't be playing "lone dm" ffs. This isn't 1996 mole. Spain attack and defend as a team and their best tool for defending is ball possession. Xabi can play alone in midfield if Xavi and Iniesta are there.


Switzerland, USA, South Africa etc etc say otherwise........


Yes three games a few years ago prove why Xabi can't play in a midfield trio now. Neutral

Also all 3 of those games were Xabi fault 100% and no one else. Flawed logic is flawed, those games say something but what they say is not relevant to the discussion at all.


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Post by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:39 pm

Xabi Alonso is Real Madrid's DM

you guys need to catch a Madrid game.....

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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:40 pm

Crimson my man could you post Xabi's steal and tackles stats in comparison to Khedira?

We need some of your pwnage.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:45 pm

Zealous wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Zealous wrote:lone dm role

lone dm role

lone dm role

He wouldn't be playing "lone dm" ffs. This isn't 1996 mole. Spain attack and defend as a team and their best tool for defending is ball possession. Xabi can play alone in midfield if Xavi and Iniesta are there.


Switzerland, USA, South Africa etc etc say otherwise........


Yes three games a few years ago prove why Xabi can play in a midfield trio now. Neutral

Also all 3 of those games were Xabi fault 100% and no one else. Flawed logic is flawed.

Spain were raped on the counter in those games, something that simply doesnt happen when Alonso and Busquets are there.....

Alonso has a such problem as far as defensive positional sense goes off the ball which allows for easy counter attacks......

He cannot play as a dm without a partner lol, what more proof do you need lol?

The fact VDB doesnt trust him, Mourinho doesnt trust him and Benitez doesnt trust him tells the story......

Why is it also when Khedira was out the madrid fans on here was wanting him back so much?

Because hes the only above average DM in the squad, you basically played with no DM.......

But 3 CL winners must be wrong because Zealous the great deems it so.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Btw Cabaye has a higher steal and tackle count than Tiote does that make him a superior DM now?

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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:53 pm

It's not a question of not rusting him. Of course they do otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Aside from maybe Benitez all those three adore Xabi. I'm 100% sure his name is one of the first on the team sheet for them.

Don Vicente and Jose seem to appreciate defensive stability over anything and another midfielder next to Xabi ensures that is the case. They know more than me and I won't even pretend they don't but maybe they think that it brings out the best in Xabi as opposed to not trusting him as you put it.

My suggestion was that Xabi could play as the deepest of a mid-field three. It's my opinion and I've seen enough to suggest that it can happen. I even explained why, what with Xabi being able to win tackles and control the game when Spain/Madrid have the ball.

All you did was say "lol no" and "Jose, VDB, Rafa agree with me", that doesn't prove me wrong it just proves that they think that's a better option.

P.S. I am great aren't I? :dance:
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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:54 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Btw Cabaye has a higher steal and tackle count than Tiote does that make him a superior DM now?

Stats Laughing

Logical fallacies.

Logical fallacies everywhere.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:55 pm

Khaledbarca wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
Valdes
Ramos Pique Puyol
Busquets
Silva Xavi Iniesta
Mata Fabregas Villa


WIN WIN WIN !! Twisted Evil


Swap Xavi with Silva, then Silva and Cesc and I like it.

Especially if England play 442.

Also swap Puyol for Jose Enrique bu thats another story.

Valdes
Ramos Pique Puyol
Busquets
Xavi Fabregas Iniesta
Mata Silva Villa
Silva as a false 9, would be great if Del Bosque tries it in these friendlies, to see if it works..
both Fabregas & Silva are scoring gd amount of goals recently..

Enrique for Puyol ? why? ( do u want to give Puyol some rest Very Happy )



Because Enrique is left footed and more mobile then Puyol at this point.

In a 3 man backline, the right and leftsided players need mobility. Also, Puyol has barely played this season.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:57 pm

Agree to Disagree then Zeal i dont think he can but you think he can......

Fair enough Very Happy

Enrique >>>>>> Monreal tho Very Happy
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Post by The Franchise Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:57 pm

Alonso a lone DM? With no hardworking midfielder in close support? In what lifetime has he shown he ability to do that?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:59 pm

The Franchise wrote:Alonso a lone DM? With no hardworking midfielder in close support? In what lifetime has he shown he ability to do that?


Dani we just agreed to disagree Very Happy
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Post by S32TABLANCA Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:34 pm

Alonso can play as DM. He wont be completely isolated in the middle, the rest of the midfield and even the defence often helps him out. He always plays as DM for us, I hate how everyone just assumes without ever watching him.

I agree with Zeal's lineup, by and large.
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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:31 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Agree to Disagree then Zeal i dont think he can but you think he can......

Fair enough Very Happy

Enrique >>>>>> Monreal tho Very Happy

Fair enough, it's just a theory after all.

And I agree with the Enrique bit :dance:
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Post by Zealous Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:32 pm

The Franchise wrote:Alonso a lone DM? With no hardworking midfielder in close support? In what lifetime has he shown he ability to do that?


Why do you guys keep bringing up the word "lone dm"? This isn't the 90's.

Anyway you have your opinion, I have mine.

If Car radio thief Biscuits can play alone behind a midfield duo, Xabi sure as hell can.
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Post by The Franchise Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:01 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Alonso a lone DM? With no hardworking midfielder in close support? In what lifetime has he shown he ability to do that?


Dani we just agreed to disagree Very Happy

Sent it before seeing your post lol
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Post by The Franchise Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:03 pm

Zealous wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Alonso a lone DM? With no hardworking midfielder in close support? In what lifetime has he shown he ability to do that?


Why do you guys keep bringing up the word "lone dm"? This isn't the 90's.

Anyway you have your opinion, I have mine.

If Car radio thief Biscuits can play alone behind a midfield duo, Xabi sure as hell can.

Because lone DM is better then a double pivot if your trying to attack..and if your Spain, thats what you want.

And if Busi can then Alonso sure as hell can? Based on what? Stats with no relevance?

Anyway, as Mole put it, agree to disagree here.
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Post by punkfusion1992 Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:28 pm

look someone has to be dropped for Xabi
he is just too good
lol

okay time to be serious
if you dont watch Madrid play then please dont give an opinion on whether the man can play "a lone DM", Khedira likes to go wander off to wierd places on the field, which leaves Alonso exposed more often than not
Alonso plays an extremely deep role, where he drops to center of defense to play the ball
he defends alot and occupies that 3rd defender role alot of the time when Madrid are trying to start attacks
and this sort of plays into Spain's hands
considering you have most of possession is largely going to be defended against, you need a plan B high route or a long pass to open up the play which we know Alonso does on a regular basis
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Post by matpol Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:35 pm

When will Del Bosque stop being sutbborn and realise that Spain sucks with double pivot? One of Busquets, Alonso should be on the bench, Iniesta in MF, Silva and Mata on the wings and Villa or Llorente as CF, Villa should stop playing as Wing Forward in NT.

Probably they will still play with Busquets - Alonso combo in the future games.
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Post by Körbl Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:41 pm

Cassillas
Ramos ==puyol (albiol)= pique =alba (Enrique)
======Alonso=Xavi======
Mata====== Iniesta======= Silva
==========Llorente/villa/llorente

Madrid style >> Barca style against teams like England
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Post by The Messiah Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:42 pm

Double post..


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Post by The Messiah Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:43 pm

maxwellwilson02 wrote:Reina
Ramos ==puyol (albiol)= pique =alba (Enrique)
======Alonso=Xavi======
Mata====== Iniesta======= Silva
==========Llorente/villa/llorente

Madrid style >> Barca style against teams like England

Problem fixed
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Post by andiii Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:44 pm

Tiki-taka is insufferably boring
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Post by Körbl Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:46 pm

Idrisozet wrote:
maxwellwilson02 wrote:Reina
Ramos ==puyol (albiol)= pique =alba (Enrique)
======Alonso=Xavi======
Mata====== Iniesta======= Silva
==========Llorente/villa/llorente

Madrid style >> Barca style against teams like England

Problem fixed

while I like Germany( I love muller), I haven't watched their latest games but isn't this close to their line up?
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Post by The Messiah Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:59 pm

maxwellwilson02 wrote:
Idrisozet wrote:
maxwellwilson02 wrote:Reina
Ramos ==puyol (albiol)= pique =alba (Enrique)
======Alonso=Xavi======
Mata====== Iniesta======= Silva
==========Llorente/villa/llorente

Madrid style >> Barca style against teams like England

Problem fixed

while I like Germany( I love muller), I haven't watched their latest games but isn't this close to their line up?

Yes it is, except Germany has a much more better goalkeeper.
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Post by matpol Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:33 pm

Casillas; Arbeloa, Puyol, Ramos, Monreal; Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta; Navas, Villa, Torres or Cesc or Silva.

That's predicted starting XI for Costa Rica match. No double pivot? So much win, but that's probably not true, Alonso will start in place of Torres/Cesc/Silva. Llorente got a knock and is doubtful to play.
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