Ganso - Overhyped, Overpriced

PinePHresh wrote:^I realize that prices are affected by more than one factor. And how are my prices 'wrong'? The 3 GKs have already moved for the prices listed. Spurs rejected 25 million pounds for Modric. Montolivo will arrive in Milan for less than 12 million euros any day now. EPL teams hilariously spent over 100 million pounds on Torres, Bent, and Carrol, while Cassano and Pazzini were on the cheap.

Don't you find it laughable that a player like Modric is worth over 30 million pounds to Spurs, yet Montolivo (a player of similar style and quality) will be sold to Milan for a third of that?

I've already explained why Ganso is so expensive, and if you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do understand why some players cost more than others. The point is that the 'big' clubs are paying stupid transfer fees for players. Milan are smart with their money. Look how we added to our squad over the last year. If De Gea is a 20 million euro GK, then its no wonder why Santos are holding out for 40 million.

PinePHresh wrote:^I realize that prices are affected by more than one factor. And how are my prices 'wrong'? The 3 GKs have already moved for the prices listed. Spurs rejected 25 million pounds for Modric. Montolivo will arrive in Milan for less than 12 million euros any day now. EPL teams hilariously spent over 100 million pounds on Torres, Bent, and Carrol, while Cassano and Pazzini were on the cheap.

Don't you find it laughable that a player like Modric is worth over 30 million pounds to Spurs, yet Montolivo (a player of similar style and quality) will be sold to Milan for a third of that?

I've already explained why Ganso is so expensive, and if you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do understand why some players cost more than others. The point is that the 'big' clubs are paying stupid transfer fees for players. Milan are smart with their money. Look how we added to our squad over the last year. If De Gea is a 20 million euro GK, then its no wonder why Santos are holding out for 40 million.

PinePHresh wrote:did you even read what I wrote? I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE COMES FROM. We are not Madrid - we don't just throw money at everything. We find the right players at the right times to fill our needs in a cost effective manner.

You can pull 100 transfers out of your 'you know what' as examples but it has no relevance here. How does Ferdinand's transfer fee have anything to do with Ganso's current asking price and his potential to improve as a footballer?

I am seriously doubting your level of reading comprehension right now.

PinePHresh wrote: why don't i just go support man city or malaga? I'd let a drunk chiropractor surgically remove my left testicle if it guaranteed UCL glory.

Milan is a self sustaining company for the most part, but we don't have millions upon millions of euros to throw at just any player. It has to be the right player at the right time.

Who says Ganso is the player to rocket us into European success? Isn't that the point of this thread???

PinePHresh wrote:I 100% understand your train of thought. If you did not notice, I wrote the OP; I am arguing that Ganso is not needed in Milan, therefore we do not need to bow to Santos and their ridiculous fee.

If we had all the money in the world to spend I would say, ' yes let's buy Ganso and Mr. X and Ronaldo and hell let's even get Sir Alex to coach us.' We don't have all the money in the world, though.

We should have kept Pirlo...

TetraHydroC 10 wrote:

PinePHresh wrote: why don't i just go support man city or malaga? I'd let a drunk chiropractor surgically remove my left testicle if it guaranteed UCL glory.

Milan is a self sustaining company for the most part, but we don't have millions upon millions of euros to throw at just any player. It has to be the right player at the right time.

Who says Ganso is the player to rocket us into European success? Isn't that the point of this thread???

I don't mind you having an opinion but statements like that make me feel you don't deserve one. So because we want Ganso you compare us to Man City? I know Milan always seem to be getting these deals but you have to be willing to spend, last season we got good deals but we splashed out some cash. Claiming you don't want to act like other clubs when you have a once in the lifetime opportunity (Most people here agree the kid is special.) If you had a player who wanted to leave wouldn't you want the most for him? Of course you will ask for a lot and work your way down from there, just like we will get in there and try to bring down the price.

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

PinePHresh wrote:I 100% understand your train of thought. If you did not notice, I wrote the OP; I am arguing that Ganso is not needed in Milan, therefore we do not need to bow to Santos and their ridiculous fee.

If we had all the money in the world to spend I would say, ' yes let's buy Ganso and Mr. X and Ronaldo and hell let's even get Sir Alex to coach us.' We don't have all the money in the world, though.

We should have kept Pirlo...

baresi wrote:

PinePHresh wrote:I 100% understand your train of thought. If you did not notice, I wrote the OP; I am arguing that Ganso is not needed in Milan, therefore we do not need to bow to Santos and their ridiculous fee.

If we had all the money in the world to spend I would say, ' yes let's buy Ganso and Mr. X and Ronaldo and hell let's even get Sir Alex to coach us.' We don't have all the money in the world, though.

We should have kept Pirlo...

Nooooooooooooooooooo, this was one of the smartest moves we've done in a while

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

PinePHresh wrote:

I did not compare Milan to man city.

I was asked the following: Ganso maybe an expensive transfer but if he is the difference btw Milan winning CL or settling for QF which would u prefer if Milan have the resources to buy him? As i am again saying when u have the resources to buy a player u need why settle for secondary option?

Yes. Obviously if there were a player available who would win us the champion's league for sure, then we would have to sign him no matter what. The reality is that there are no guarantees in football, and Milan will not sign every starlet that comes out of Brazil. I mentioned Man City and Malaga, because they are the type of club that can buy almost any player. I'm saying that there will not be both a Mr. X and a Ganso in Milan (at least not this transfer market).

The metaphor was meant to mean that my love for Milan is so great, that I would sacrifice something to see us win, be it a 40 million euro transfer fee or a body part. It's just a figure of speech.

How can you say I'm not entitled to an opinion?

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baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

its pretty self explanatory......

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

Overpriced- Someone whose price tag is too high.
Overhyped- Someone who does not justify the hype he receives by coaches, fans, media etc.

Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.
Example of overhyped not overpriced: Simon Kjaer hyped up a lot by Zamparini and media but left to Wolfsburg for 10 million.

Hope this clears it up.

baresi wrote:

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

Overpriced- Someone whose price tag is too high.
Overhyped- Someone who does not justify the hype he receives by coaches, fans, media etc.

Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.
Example of overhyped not overpriced: Simon Kjaer hyped up a lot by Zamparini and media but left to Wolfsburg for 10 million.

Hope this clears it up.

I cant see Over priced but not over hyped......

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

Overpriced- Someone whose price tag is too high.
Overhyped- Someone who does not justify the hype he receives by coaches, fans, media etc.

Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.
Example of overhyped not overpriced: Simon Kjaer hyped up a lot by Zamparini and media but left to Wolfsburg for 10 million.

Hope this clears it up.

I cant see Over priced but not over hyped......

If Molinaro is commended as the new Maldini, then he is overhyped (too much hype on him)

baresi wrote:

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Maybe overpriced
Certainly hot "overhyped"

Its the second time I read this n this thread, and seriously I cant see the difference, can u pls explain it?

Overpriced- Someone whose price tag is too high.
Overhyped- Someone who does not justify the hype he receives by coaches, fans, media etc.

Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.
Example of overhyped not overpriced: Simon Kjaer hyped up a lot by Zamparini and media but left to Wolfsburg for 10 million.

Hope this clears it up.

I cant see Over priced but not over hyped......

If Molinaro is commended as the new Maldini, then he is overhyped (too much hype on him)

I give up

baresi wrote:@mialnista99

So u actually believe that a player that is suposed to be WC can be "Over priced but NOT over hyped". Does that even make sense to you?

Santos are asking 30-35M for a player that by many has been compared to KAKA and Rivaldo; some went to the lenghty extend of writting poems on how he is already compared to a legend in Zidane, others claim that we need this guy if we are aiming for European glory, all that for a 21 yrs old guy and for 30-35M ONLY. Surley NOT "over priced" if this guy is what ppl claim he is, he is actually one hell of a bargain if you ask me. Back in the days we paid 25+M for a 17 yrs old PATO that only showed great potential.

OR

This guy is not what ppl claim he is therefore he is OVER HYPED but this does not necessarily mean he is "over priced", if he turns out to be a "Melo" then, yes; over priced, if he pulls a Modric then its a reasonable buy.

You said:
Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.

and this is what exactly you and Arquiteco said Ganso was.

milanista99 wrote:

baresi wrote:@mialnista99

So u actually believe that a player that is suposed to be WC can be "Over priced but NOT over hyped". Does that even make sense to you?

Santos are asking 30-35M for a player that by many has been compared to KAKA and Rivaldo; some went to the lenghty extend of writting poems on how he is already compared to a legend in Zidane, others claim that we need this guy if we are aiming for European glory, all that for a 21 yrs old guy and for 30-35M ONLY. Surley NOT "over priced" if this guy is what ppl claim he is, he is actually one hell of a bargain if you ask me. Back in the days we paid 25+M for a 17 yrs old PATO that only showed great potential.

OR

This guy is not what ppl claim he is therefore he is OVER HYPED but this does not necessarily mean he is "over priced", if he turns out to be a "Melo" then, yes; over priced, if he pulls a Modric then its a reasonable buy.

You said:
Example of overpriced not overhyped: Nicklas Bendtner; value 10 million but worth around 50 cents.

and this is what exactly you and Arquiteco said Ganso was.

Yes it totally does, if Amauri's price tag is now 30 million that will make him overpriced but not overhyped as no one rates him at all.

No one said, he is world class. He has the POTENTIAL to be a world beater just like Pato who was not world class at that time but had the potential to be world class. We paid 22 million for a 17 year old Pato. Santos are actually asking 30-40 million for him, and that is heavily overpriced. He is worth from 20-30 million. And yes a lot of people say he has the POTENTIAL to be as great as Kaka and Rivaldo and it is clear to see his PLAYING STYLE is very similar to Zidane, none of us are saying he is as great as Zizou. And yes he can be our answer to European glory, as the one thing that stop us from making serious favourites in the Champions League is a creative midfielder. A creative midfielder is our missing link and Ganso can be the perfect solution. And think long term, he is only 21 and can be our midfield lynchpin for years to come. What Santos is asking is a ridiculous amount for a 21 year old kid who has world class potential, but not world class yet.

I don't understand this part, apologies.

I'm sorry, looking back that's a horrible example I used. Here is a better one.
Kun Aguero: Awesome player, one of the best strikers in the world, left to Man City for 40 million+ when his value should be 25-35 million. Overpriced, not overhyped.