Re: The US Politics Thread

[Pedram]

The online response to this has been quite interesting. It feels like there is finally something everyone can agree on - being fed up with the healthcare system and billionaires getting richer while we all go into medical debt

— Lily (@love_lilyyy) December 5, 2024

[Myesyats]

Its crazy that America doesnt have universal healthcare and free uni, it's something we take here for granted.

[farfan]

Unless you’re Israel or Joe Biden’s son https://t.co/paEA1oLIFL

— Owen Jones (@owenjonesjourno) December 2, 2024

Trying his hardest to go down as the worst president in history.

This pardon doesn't stand out as that egregious even when compared to his predecessor. Trump not only pardoned family members as well, but he also pardoned a bunch of Blackwater war criminals who murdered civilians in Iraq.

[Pedram]

Unless you’re Israel or Joe Biden’s son https://t.co/paEA1oLIFL

— Owen Jones (@owenjonesjourno) December 2, 2024

Trying his hardest to go down as the worst president in history.

This pardon doesn't stand out as that egregious even when compared to his predecessor.  Trump not only pardoned family members as well, but he also pardoned a bunch of Blackwater war criminals who murdered civilians in Iraq.

The pardon itself does not bother me at all, it's the fact that Democrats and Biden himself repeatedly used to take the moral high ground on presidential pardons. well now everyone knows they're no different than Republicans.

[Myesyats]

[sportsczy]

Populism is the biggest group of people in the US now.  Why? Tired of being talked down to and manipulated.   Establishment relies on conflict and grievance… and people are getting sick of it.  That’s why Trump won.  Now, he better deliver on all his big promises or they’ll turn to someone else.  

Left is losing voters to populism (care little about party but focus on platform that impacts their lives; not ideologues) which is why the popular vote went the other way.  Need to kick establishment to the curb.

[Pedram]

That pretty much sums it up.

This was eye-opening.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2024

Quite the infighting in Twitter right now.

Elon realizing the white nationalist Republican base are at odds with his personal ideology while right wingers find out profit-maximizing billionaires are not their friends.

[Myesyats]

China is leading innovation in 85% of tech fields because it is so racially diverse isn't it

[Pedram]

Elon saying white Americans are retarded after sucking up to them so much in recent years is so funny.

These business moguls will throw you under the bus the moment they accomplish their goals.

[Myesyats]

Well he’s got a point though because instead of actually improving education and promoting academic excellence in stem fields especially they are tussling over irrelevant  cultural issues and stuff like whether CRT should be part of the curriculum

This is how empires die and US is no exception

[Pedram]

The H-1B visa is a net positive for continued economic growth and staying competitive globally but the real reason he prefers hiring foreign workers is because these people are easier to exploit as their visas gets expired if they get fired or their contract is terminated, so they're less likely to complain about wages or work conditions.



I actually wish Elon was pro immigration as he likes to pretend but he is not. he just wants cheap labour.

[BarrileteCosmico]

As an immigrant I think he actually is pro immigration. Just skilled ones.

Btw vivek's tiger mom rant was so cringe. His kids must be miserable

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 26, 2024

[FennecFox7]

We have plenty of top engineers. We don't need more H1B's flooding the market then hiring their own on 60k a year when an american born person can and should take that job. It's a ploy for cheap labor. Simple as. Tech is already crazy oversaturated. I'm only getting interviews because of my connections and networking skills. Irregardless, I'm okay with continuing to improve my development skills, but to say we don't have talent in this country because a couple morons talk about culture war issues is bs. You're going to tell me graduates from MIT, etc, top schools aren't talented? Nonsense. Don't be fooled Myestats. Yes there are a lot of mediocre engineers but there are a lot willing to prove themselves in the right environment with a solid github and School/GPA. I'm currently on honor roll, got my associates, going for my bachelors in computer science. I'm not saying I'm some rockstar but I'd like to think my country would invest in me over someone they H1B sponsor for cheap labor and working them to death with 80 hour work weeks.

The job market sucks. Sending out resume's is a waste of time anyhow. Networking gets you jobs nowadays.


Elon wants to pay people poverty wages. Simple as. Also, H1B is exploitative in nature.

[FennecFox7]

Also, I'm not 100% anti immigration. I'm okay with Mexicans coming over and working in construction. We desperately need people in trades and they get paid very well and can even start their own business.

[FennecFox7]

Populism is the biggest group of people in the US now.  Why? Tired of being talked down to and manipulated.   Establishment relies on conflict and grievance… and people are getting sick of it.  That’s why Trump won.  Now, he better deliver on all his big promises or they’ll turn to someone else.  

Left is losing voters to populism (care little about party but focus on platform that impacts their lives; not ideologues) which is why the popular vote went the other way.  Need to kick establishment to the curb.

I totally agree. America first.

[Myesyats]

As an immigrant I think he actually is pro immigration. Just skilled ones.

Btw vivek's tiger mom rant was so cringe. His kids must be miserable

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 26, 2024

 

MAGA voted for Trump so that an Indian can tell them they are retarded. Biggest plot twist of the decade?

Reality is they want cheap labor and a compliant workforce on visas. It's silly to believe billionaires care about anything other than maximizing profit

[Vibe]

I can not find a single thing in what he wrote that is not true.

Massive props tbh. They are not afraid to say the hard things, whether people like  it or not. Minimal diplomacy, no political bullshit, just the hard truth.

Unfortunately the people are so used to being weaseled through the media that they can not comprehend.

[Pedram]

pic.twitter.com/eCFRsPUO8D

— Comrade Sisko (@Pinko69420) December 28, 2024

[Pedram]

I can not find a single thing in what he wrote that is not true.

Massive props tbh. They are not afraid to say the hard things, whether people like  it or not. Minimal diplomacy, no political bullshit, just the hard truth.

Unfortunately the people are so used to being weaseled through the media that they can not comprehend.

He wrote a bunch of paragraphs just to basically say nerds are what makes America great, so insightful.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

Btw i have a problem with this line, why is it so necessary that we always have to remain "hyper-competitive" as a society? yes China is ambitious and is always looking to eclipse US economically, but i'm not sure it's worth it if the price of staying competitive is to import unlimited amount of skilled immigrants into your country and alienate your native population in the process. this is why i hate capitalism so much, it reduces humans into resources that needs to exploited to the max for the great cause of infinite growth.

[Pedram]

The irony of Vivek's post is that his wrong analysis of how American culture is broken illustrates in itself how American culture is broken.

I mean, how out-of-touch must one be to think people will embrace a vision where childhood must be optimized for corporate success, with… https://t.co/faegwIztXi

— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) December 27, 2024

[Myesyats]

We have plenty of top engineers. We don't need more H1B's flooding the market then hiring their own on 60k a year when an american born person can and should take that job. It's a ploy for cheap labor. Simple as. Tech is already crazy oversaturated. I'm only getting interviews because of my connections and networking skills. Irregardless, I'm okay with continuing to improve my development skills, but to say we don't have talent in this country because a couple morons talk about culture war issues is bs. You're going to tell me graduates from MIT, etc, top schools aren't talented? Nonsense. Don't be fooled Myestats. Yes there are a lot of mediocre engineers but there are a lot willing to prove themselves in the right environment with a solid github and School/GPA. I'm currently on honor roll, got my associates, going for my bachelors in computer science. I'm not saying I'm some rockstar but I'd like to think my country would invest in me over someone they H1B sponsor for cheap labor and working them to death with 80 hour work weeks.

The job market sucks. Sending out resume's is a waste of time anyhow. Networking gets you jobs nowadays.


Elon wants to pay people poverty wages. Simple as. Also, H1B is exploitative in nature.

Yep I know there is enough talent as is, the main reason this is happening is because the median tech salary is 2x higher than H1B salary.

But there is some truth to the cultural and educational aspects too, but I agree it's not the primary reason as Vivek tries to paint it.

They just can't stand paying livable wages can't they. Every system has its flaw, China is also exploiting its workers. @Pedram whoever wins the race to space will rule the world, they will do it at any human cost.

[Myesyats]

Where would America be without Viveks coming in and defrauding shareholders of 2 billion dollars worth of fake dementia medicine pic.twitter.com/R8LjcK6qOh

— Spinachbrah  (@basedspinach) December 26, 2024

[Myesyats]

In 2016 Trump said the H-1B program “shouldn’t exist” because it is “very unfair for (American) workers.”

Now in 2024, under the influence of Silicon Valley donors, Trump says he used and supports H-1B.

This is the definition of selling out.
pic.twitter.com/dhjQ7SchpA

— Nicholas J. Fuentes (@NickJFuentes) December 28, 2024

[BarrileteCosmico]

@Vibe are you serious? Read it again.

He's basically saying that parents that push their kids to spend 100% of their time on school and extra curriculars are the reason these kids are successful. And fair enough, it does get them into good schools and good jobs.

But it also doesn't teach them how to be part of a team, how to talk to the opposite gender, how to talk in general. The kids I've met that grew up like this are anxious messes. They might be good for stand alone engineering work, but they won't have the skills to actually found a company, find a partner or make friends.

They then get resentful and grow up to be tech right incels ‍� No big surprise on why Vivek sees himself in them.

[Pedram]

Well Vivek got bullied by jocks when he was a teen, that rant gave it away. the hatred he has for the "prom queen culture" stems from his own social insecurities. he sees only guys like himself as a model of successful American and basically believes all normal humans who enjoy having fun and social interactions are losers.

Just found out the reason Vivek hates American jock culture so much is because he was a massive dork that got bullied so hard he had to switch schools. pic.twitter.com/bpPFvg4upU

— Mark Constantine (@vexmark) December 27, 2024

[Pedram]

the "nerds" always had a chip on their shoulder about something and a weird superiority complex. they would study for 83 hours for a test, score one point higher than some chad, and didn't understand why stacy wouldn't date them as they believe they were "clearly better."

— Rich (@heywildrich) December 29, 2024

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