La Liga 2024/25

It's crazy to think Joselu would have been more useful than him at the moment

People wonder why Jude's stats took a dip when he's simultaneously expected to do some of the midfield work that Kroos used to do AND find a way to be productive upfront with this dead weight taking up most of the space he used to exploit last year. His lazy ass doesn't even make the runs Jude used to make last year, he sort of just stands there and waits for the ball to arrive at his feet.

Give this guy the pre 2004 haircut and lets win the septuple, then fire him and bring in Alonso.

Always said Fede is a donkey Thx Fede~! The glaring contrast when Modric wins the ball, then he loses it to lose the game

Mbappe misses the exact pen in like space of 3 games? Its bad... so now we are still in front at the top somehow

FennecFox7 wrote:You know it’s bad when even Barca fan Myestats wants Mbappe benched or sold.

He is single handedly ruining our season, incredible.

Maybe I'm misremembering but even his WC final performance was overrated by people imo, yes he scored a hattrick but 2 of the goals were penalties. Now he can't even score those

I'm surprised nobody commented on Fede until now, that was incredibly arrogant what he did to cost RM the game

Myesyats wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:You know it’s bad when even Barca fan Myestats wants Mbappe benched or sold.

He is single handedly ruining our season, incredible.

Maybe I'm misremembering but even his WC final performance was overrated by people imo, yes he scored a hattrick but 2 of the goals were penalties. Now he can't even score those

I'm surprised nobody commented on Fede until now, that was incredibly arrogant what he did to cost RM the game

He had a good tournament overall but from what I remember he was one of the few players that actually had a good game for France in the final. I'm not sure if I'm being results oriented though

Clutch wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:You know it’s bad when even Barca fan Myestats wants Mbappe benched or sold.

He is single handedly ruining our season, incredible.

Maybe I'm misremembering but even his WC final performance was overrated by people imo, yes he scored a hattrick but 2 of the goals were penalties. Now he can't even score those

I'm surprised nobody commented on Fede until now, that was incredibly arrogant what he did to cost RM the game

He had a good tournament overall but from what I remember he was one of the few players that actually had a good game for France in the final. I'm not sure if I'm being results oriented though

You aren't, he singlehandedly dragged a team that was outplayed for most of the match to the penalty shootout.

People just can't stay rational about players they dislike. The fact that some seriously argued Mbappé wasn't France's best player in that World Cup says everything you need to know about how asinine some of the hot takes about Mbappé are.

"Hmm Mbappe has been awful these days, maybe if I use that recency and turn it into bias people will be convinced his World Cup performances just might have also been overrated"....

Arquitecto wrote:"Hmm Mbappe has been awful these days, maybe if I use that recency and turn it into bias people will be convinced his World Cup performances just might have also been overrated"....

? That would apply if I just started to say that today..., but I've said that right after the final as well. I suggest rewatching the game..

In the first half he was basically nonexistent. Until the 80th minute he looked kinda like nowadays with a couple misplaced passes and some shots to the stands. Obviously he had a good game in the end because it was him who eventually kept France in the game after 80' but the MOTM in this game was obviously Messi

I've always seen the limitations to his game that are manifesting itself today and never feared him coming to La Liga.

Vibe wrote:Nothing is manifesting.

Mbappe is not the same player and it was already obvious in his last season with PSG and the Euros.

I hope he finds himself.

Exactly. Everyone knows Mbappé's limitations, and the difficult fit with Vinicius was known and pointed out here before he even signed. But what's happening right now is beyond what anyone could have predicted.

Nobody predicted that he would be unable to beat simple offside traps or that he would miss nearly 100% of his one-on-ones. To claim otherwise is such an ad hoc rationalization.

farfan wrote:
Nobody predicted that he would be unable to beat simple offside traps or that he would miss nearly 100% of his one-on-ones. To claim otherwise is such an ad hoc rationalization.

And literally nobody claims that. You're still arguing against ghost arguments I see...

And you're still making vague points rather than presenting a decisive argument. What exactly are these limitations, and how are they manifesting at Madrid this year?

We already knew he tends to struggle in tight spaces and contributes little in terms of pressing and defense. But the bigger issue is that he's now struggling in areas where he was excelling not too long ago. His runs are terrible, his finishing fell off a cliff, his first touch is worse than ever..

farfan wrote:And you're still making vague points rather than presenting a decisive argument. What exactly are these limitations, and how are they manifesting at Madrid this year?

We already knew he tends to struggle in tight spaces and contributes little in terms of pressing and defense. But the bigger issue is that he's now struggling in areas where he was excelling not too long ago. His runs are terrible, his finishing fell off a cliff, his first touch is worse than ever..

His limitations are that it's easy to shut him down by restricting his ability to make deep runs, La Liga teams control him well by either being low and compact or, the opposite, high up and exploiting his poor offside timing

If you block those channels where he can accelerate into swaths of space, you've neutralised 90% of his ability

Maybe, just maybe, part of his issues is la liga is much better than ligue 1?

La Liga teams didn’t suddenly and collectively figure out the basic idea that to neutralize a very fast player, you can either sit deep or trap them with a high line. Mbappé has dealt with this his entire career. Remember, he was destroying City’s high line when he was a teenager. His timing was never this poor, nor was he ever this absent-minded at any point in his career.

It’s not like defenses are completely shutting him down either. He’s still getting to his favored spots, and his xG is decent (Just behind Lewandowski). The problem is.....he can’t finish for shit, which makes the other issues even more glaring (lack of pressing and defense, heavy first touch at times, selfish play etc..). We wouldn't even be having crisis talks in December had he just managed to slightly outperform his xG like any half decent striker is expected to do.

And here’s another thing, he’s even worse in the Champions League. He’s on track to having the worst statistical season by a starting Madrid forward in recent memory. What’s happening to him goes beyond just tactical fit and struggling to adjust to a new league.

Mbappe is obviously having both mental and physical problems. You can't have a good faith argument about his current performances without taking that into consideration. Deschamps has gone as far as mentioning this in press conferences where he was explaining Mbappe's absences from the French NT.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/42394300/france-coach-mbappe-dip-form-psychological-physical

In a way it could be good for Mbappe to hit further rock bottom (just as long as we can still win games despite of that ) so that he is furthered humbled and comes to a still clearer realization that he needs to reverse-engineer the situation and at least be functional in defending/pressing and link up play circumstances in central zones so that he's not a complete liability to the team in the absence of his "higher powers." He shouldn't prioritize his higher powers in his search to meet mythical expectations. Damage limitations within himself and relative to the team.

This is not too disimilar to Hercules losing his powers and having to sacrifice himself for that one chick to gain them back and be proven worthy in the Disney movie.

Benzema went as far as to recommend this line of thinking regarding Mbappe in a recent interview with Spanish media.

With a bit better form he could have at least 5 or so more goals and we could have a few more points in the league.

He's definitely in a very precarious position. He forgo defensive and pressing duties and many parts of his game atrophied over the years, just for the sake of becoming a lethal goal scoring machine. There aren't many options here, either he gets out of this slump or he ups his work rate and defensive work.

This is what happened to Ronaldo in his last days at Manchester, but Mbappé is supposed to be entering his prime ffs

Myesyats wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:"Hmm Mbappe has been awful these days, maybe if I use that recency and turn it into bias people will be convinced his World Cup performances just might have also been overrated"....

? That would apply if I just started to say that today..., but I've said that right after the final as well. I suggest rewatching the game..

In the first half he was basically nonexistent. Until the 80th minute he looked kinda like nowadays with a couple misplaced passes and some shots to the stands. Obviously he had a good game in the end because it was him who eventually kept France in the game after 80' but the MOTM in this game was obviously Messi

I've always seen the limitations to his game that are manifesting itself today and never feared him coming to La Liga.

My post wasn't too serious but fact is Real Madrid fans themselves are half happy he failed due to the bad faith expectations they had of him and so they can exhalt Vini over him whereas knives are out for him in general as such happens when a player is so famous for so long that the hype tires most out.

Fact is he has regressed as the player peaked so early he just looks a bit less interested and focused so much on that Henry going central role that so many want and fail at, he is losing his complete traits and becoming mostly a goalscorer by now.

It's a bad start for him but once the form gets going I dont see it stopping.

Think we can all say that he left Paris just 2 years too late if not more

Frenkie is so cooked

sell this saboteur

We got VAR-ed... at best 50-50... just unlucky it happened to step on the shoe that little bit...

Ferran flukes another goal XD

Too easy for Betis that goal but what a neat finish...