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Post by Lucifer 27/11/2022, 09:35

Casciavit wrote:These Argentina games are too stressful. Messi FC is suffering out here.

True Laughing

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Post by rincon 27/11/2022, 12:14

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BarrileteCosmico wrote:How does de Paul go from being MOTM against Brazil at the Maracana 15 months ago to... whatever it is he's doing now? @robespierre what's up?

He looks so out of form, gets so much wrong it's weird to see.

After Messi's goal the team looked much more relaxed and confident. They were too tense before, let's if they carry the confidence to the next matches.

In general it seems like Arg players all declined in form since last season. Bad timing for the WC but they can still click into place. In the end what matters is getting out of the groups, and then a new tournament starts.
We looked better after the goal because Mexico could no longer park the bus and were forced to attack, giving us space to work with. I don't think teams in the knock-out stages will be happy to park the bus (or at least from quarters onwards)

It wasn't just that, they were playing with too much tension, not enjoying it at all. Understandably as they were a goal from being out of the group stages. The pressure was getting to them too much. Messi's goal and the change in midfield turned the team completely.

Lo Celso, Paredes, and De Paul when they were all fit and in form made a completely different team.

Lo Celso is really missed. Either Paredes plays like a proper player or Scaloni relies more on this kid from Benfica. Imo today's midfield lacks too much creativity. De Paul looks nothing like his previous self. Maybe more Papu is the answer.

How is Dybala's health? he would have been a player for last night to help Messi unlock defenses.


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Post by El Gunner 27/11/2022, 12:24

yea i was thinking why don't they play Dymbo on the left for more creativity.
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Post by rincon 27/11/2022, 12:25

Iirc he was injured towards the break for Roma, but since he is there I figure he can play.
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Post by Myesyats 27/11/2022, 12:50

Casciavit wrote:These Argentina games are too stressful. Messi FC is suffering out here.

You can rest easy bro

Argentina aren’t getting past Brazil, France or even Portugal or England…imo

Messi won’t make a difference in every game, he’s past it. Mexico is really really bad and they barely scraped through
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Post by BarrileteCosmico 27/11/2022, 16:11

Agreed cascia, think I grew a few more white hairs

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Post by Doc 27/11/2022, 19:42

Myesyats wrote:
Casciavit wrote:These Argentina games are too stressful. Messi FC is suffering out here.

You can rest easy bro

Argentina aren’t getting past Brazil, France or even Portugal or England…imo

Messi won’t make a difference in every game, he’s past it. Mexico is really really bad and they barely scraped through

Need to beat Poland first before we can discuss any of those teams tbh.
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Post by _LMG_10_ 28/11/2022, 22:22

So true, these Argentina games are BEYOND stressful. The tension was unreal.

This was me when Messi scored:

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I almost cried, not gonna lie. Who else? Very Happy

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Post by neuro11 30/11/2022, 12:46

_LMG_10_ wrote:So true, these Argentina games are BEYOND stressful. The tension was unreal.

This was me when Messi scored:

https://znews-photo.zingcdn.me/Uploaded/natmzz/2022_11_27/ezgif.com_gif_maker_16_.gif

I almost cried, not gonna lie. Who else? Very Happy

Very Happy:D:D

this Argentina team is so different from the one that won copa. their performance somehow dropped tremendously

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Post by Art Morte 30/11/2022, 20:41

Penalties are ruining football. Absolutely ridiculous to give penalty to Argentina for that. Fortunately Sczesny saved it (again), but there are way too many penalties in football.
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Post by Firenze 30/11/2022, 20:41

justice that Szc saved that Messi penalty, that was disgraceful officiating. NEVER a penalty.
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Post by Myesyats 30/11/2022, 20:41

WTF was that penalty????????!!!!?

First time I've ever seen such BS, keepers always go out like that
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Post by Lucifer 30/11/2022, 20:43

Disgraceful penalty given disgraceful penalty taken.

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Post by elitedam 30/11/2022, 20:49

Feels like it's only a matter of time before Argentina scores.
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Post by El Gunner 30/11/2022, 20:52

i thought it was a fair decision lol...
great save by Szczesny though, decent penalty, could have been better though
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Post by Casciavit 30/11/2022, 20:54

I've seen this script too much. Poland are going to score a goal against the run of play. Szczesny having the game of his life ffs
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Post by BarrileteCosmico 30/11/2022, 20:58

We now have 2 pens in 3 matches that we should have never been awarded. I would like to thank our Qatari overlords for their sponsorship of Messi.
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Post by GRude 30/11/2022, 21:01

Casciavit wrote:I've seen this script too much. Poland are going to score a goal against the run of play. Szczesny having the game of his life ffs

Not if they play like that, Poland actually counter attacked with numbers against Saudi and Saudi was impotent. Poland are going to concede in the second half if it goes like the first.
Started well but within 20 minutes went back to the pathetic tactics and performance vs Mexico.
No interests in having the ball or counter attacking.
And it's not even that it's good defensive football either, there's zero press. They just let Argentina get into their final third and wait for the attack to play out.
It's literally just stick 10 men behind the ball and hoof it up to the CF & hope the opposition fail.
It's more crude than even the most crude anti football tactics. It's not even like they're good on set pieces where they should have the advantage either.
Stoke on a cold night are 1982 Brazil compared to this Poland team.


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Post by El Gunner 30/11/2022, 21:01

Messi's biggest weakness has always been penalties... i'm never as confident when he steps in comparison to Ronaldo or Harry Kane for instance...

106 scored, 31 missed in his career... that's a lot imo. Though a 77.4% success rate is within standard rate for penalties scored, but for his talent and technique he should be around 85%.
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Post by GRude 30/11/2022, 21:04

El Gunner wrote:Messi's biggest weakness has always been penalties... i'm never as confident when he steps in comparison to Ronaldo or Harry Kane for instance...

106 scored, 31 missed in his career... that's a lot imo. Though a 77.4% success rate is within standard rate for penalties scored, but for his talent and technique he should be around 85%.

No his biggest weakness is a weak mentality, which plays out in penalties, on the international stage and other pressure moments. He's not a Henry or Zlatan tier bottler but not good enough and It's why he will never truly be GOAT despite being the best club player ever.


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Post by El Gunner 30/11/2022, 21:05

Casciavit wrote:Szczesny having the game of his life ffs

not really... only the penalty save and di Maria's corner save was good. Everything else was straight at him or pretty tame.

Argentina are playing the best attacking football they've played all tournament thus far, but Poland's defence is actually solid. There hasn't been a lot of breakdowns. Argentina need to move the ball quicker from side to side so they can open space and cause breakdowns in the middle of the final third.
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Post by El Gunner 30/11/2022, 21:08

GRude wrote:
El Gunner wrote:Messi's biggest weakness has always been penalties... i'm never as confident when he steps in comparison to Ronaldo or Harry Kane for instance...

106 scored, 31 missed in his career... that's a lot imo. Though a 77.4% success rate is within standard rate for penalties scored, but for his talent and technique he should be around 85%.

No his biggest weakness is a weak mentality, which plays out in penalties, on the international stage and other back against the wall moments. It's why he will never truly be GOAT despite being the best club player ever.

i wouldn't call it a weak mentality, a player who has made it to his level in his career can never be labeled as having a weak mentality... but yea his mentality and attitude in those instances are definitely not as assertive and brazen as Ronaldo.

nobody can be perfect though, i don't think such a small weakness eliminates him from being the GOAT lol
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Post by GRude 30/11/2022, 21:09

GRude wrote:
Casciavit wrote:I've seen this script too much. Poland are going to score a goal against the run of play. Szczesny having the game of his life ffs

Not if they play like that, Poland actually counter attacked with numbers against Saudi and Saudi was impotent. Poland are going to concede in the second half if it goes like the first.
Started well but within 20 minutes went back to the pathetic tactics and performance vs Mexico.
No interests in having the ball or counter attacking.
And it's not even that it's good defensive football either, there's zero press. They just let Argentina get into their final third and wait for the attack to play out.
It's literally just stick 10 men behind the ball and hoof it up to the CF & hope the opposition fail.
It's more crude than even the most crude anti football tactics. It's not even like they're good on set pieces where they should have the advantage either.
Stoke on a cold night are 1982 Brazil compared to this Poland team.


They just scored, told you. There was zero press what so ever, pathetic defending. Polands tactic is literally just defend the penalty box lol.

Oh and look NOW Poland want to start attacking - lol, this coach is the god of anti football.
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Post by El Gunner 30/11/2022, 21:09

Argentina up... btw why is a Scot playing for them? Laughing
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Post by BarcaLearning 30/11/2022, 21:20

Wtf is this subs, Paredes on for Di Maria on 58th, giving up the initiative... Messi has no one to link with now, Im worried Sad
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Post by BarcaLearning 30/11/2022, 21:27

Alarez deserves this, much more effective than Lautaro.
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