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Post by Myesyats Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:27 pm

Why would they go anywhere? He still has 2 years of waiting before he can come to europe

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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:30 pm

Myesyats wrote:Why would they go anywhere? He still has 2 years of waiting before he can come to europe
you can still pay his buyout clause now but he would only come once he has turned 18yo
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Post by Myesyats Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:14 am

Paying a release clause 2 years before actually getting  the player is unheard of

Theres no need to rush

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Post by futbol_bill Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:18 am

Both Rodrygo and Vinicius as well as Reiner were signed well ahead of coming to Spain.

It all started with Neymar and his father. They initiated a bidding war. To avoid that scenario, you sign them early.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:37 am

1 year maybe as with Rodrygo, but 2 years i doubt. Next summer will be key imo

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Post by futbol_bill Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:14 am

They were both signed a year plus in advance. I think they were both signed around Christmas which was a year and a half in advance,. Reiner was 1 year. However Madrid are calm about it, as he says he only wants Madrid and thus they may wait a while. As you said no rush, but if anyone is thinking of a bid, they will react. Meanwhile they are looking at other potential youth and have the three non EU spots being freed up, although one of them will be taken by Vinicius Tobias.
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Post by Winter is Coming Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:10 am

So no Haaland to Madrid then?

This is a condition of his,

Endrick, his family, and the representation company (which is the same as Vinicius), were clear about a starting point: 'they will not sign for any club that has Haaland on their payroll'. They have nothing against the Norwegian, but by the time Endrick can land in Europe, Haaland will be 24 years old and have his whole future ahead of him.
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Post by El Gunner Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:42 am

who the hell is Endrick
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Post by Casciavit Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:04 am

Best Brazilian talent since Neymar
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:23 am

Winter is Coming wrote:So no Haaland to Madrid then?

This is a condition of his,

Endrick, his family, and the representation company (which is the same as Vinicius), were clear about a starting point: 'they will not sign for any club that has Haaland on their payroll'. They have nothing against the Norwegian, but by the time Endrick can land in Europe, Haaland will be 24 years old and have his whole future ahead of him.
We can't afford him. He will have a manageable release clause but astronomical wages we can't compete with. Not sure Benzema can go that much longer though so we'll need a stop gap anyways
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:56 am

halamadrid2 wrote:
Winter is Coming wrote:So no Haaland to Madrid then?

This is a condition of his,

Endrick, his family, and the representation company (which is the same as Vinicius), were clear about a starting point: 'they will not sign for any club that has Haaland on their payroll'. They have nothing against the Norwegian, but by the time Endrick can land in Europe, Haaland will be 24 years old and have his whole future ahead of him.
We can't afford him. He will have a manageable release clause but astronomical wages we can't compete with. Not sure Benzema can go that much longer though so we'll need a stop gap anyways

We have bought Iker Bravo (17 yrs, will be 18 in Jan) for that purpose. He’s now at Castilla and performing well plus Carlo is impressed. He’s included in squad list available for CL.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:13 am

He's only 2 years older than Endrick. If we are to believe the vast majority of football scouts who are raving about Endrick then Iker Bravo is a pointless purchase if it isn't for back up purposes. If Endrick develops like he should he'll be a starter 2/3 years after he comes and Iker wouldn't even have entered his prime then. What we need is someone in their early thirties we can rely on while Endrick gets acclimatised. Preferably, Benzema but we'll see how long his body is able to withstand before it says enough is enough. We've already seen this season that he may be getting injury prone from years of torturing his body to play
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:50 am

You talked about stop gap! Next year, Benz is still at Madrid, and Bravo is the likely backup. It will likely be like this year is turning out, so Bravo will get lots of opportunities. The year after when Endick arrives, he won’t be an instant starter, and thus Bravo works as the stop gap! If he doesn’t they will look for an alternative.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:05 am

futbol_bill wrote:You talked about stop gap! Next year, Benz is still at Madrid, and Bravo is the likely backup. It will likely be like this year is turning out, so Bravo will get lots of opportunities. The year after when Endick arrives, he won’t be an instant starter, and thus Bravo works as the stop gap! If he doesn’t they will look for an alternative.
The back up right now is Rodrygo and that's where he prefers to play. We'll only shift him for someone who we think will do better in that position and that's likely Endrick not Bravo. When Mariano leaves next summer we may promote Iker but only to be the 3rd or 4th choice CF after Rodrygo and Hazard. I haven't watched Iker play apart from a few highlights but Endrick is supposed to be the next big thing. We won't jeopardise his path to our first choice n9 by having someone as old as him in front of him in the pecking order hence why he won't go to the team that has Haaland as the starter.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:10 am

Casciavit wrote:Best Brazilian talent since Neymar

Is this true or you're being sarcastic? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know the kid.
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Post by Casciavit Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:31 am

The Demon of Carthage wrote:
Casciavit wrote:Best Brazilian talent since Neymar

Is this true or you're being sarcastic? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know the kid.


That’s what the consensus is among Brazilian scouts. I haven’t seen him aside from a few YouTube comps, but they’re really excited about him over there. From what I’ve seen of him it’s hard to believe he’s 16 years old. We might be looking at the next Romario.

Top European clubs will be fighting over him. I think he should follow the Neymar route of staying in Brazil until he’s 20, but he’ll likely go to Madrid the moment he turns 18 like Vinicius and Rodrygo did.
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:17 am

halamadrid2 wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:You talked about stop gap! Next year, Benz is still at Madrid, and Bravo is the likely backup. It will likely be like this year is turning out, so Bravo will get lots of opportunities. The year after when Endick arrives, he won’t be an instant starter, and thus Bravo works as the stop gap! If he doesn’t they will look for an alternative.
The back up right now is Rodrygo and that's where he prefers to play. We'll only shift him for someone who we think will do better in that position and that's likely Endrick not Bravo. When Mariano leaves next summer we may promote Iker but only to be the 3rd or 4th choice CF after Rodrygo and Hazard. I haven't watched Iker play apart from a few highlights but Endrick is supposed to be the next big thing. We won't jeopardise his path to our first choice n9 by having someone as old as him in front of him in the pecking order hence why he won't go to the team that has Haaland as the starter.


Boy i’m glad your not Carlo!

Rodrygo isn’t a 9 and he will become the RW. The only reason Bravo isn’t with the first team is become of Mariano. He is one of several potential future 9s that the club had been watching. That list also included Endick.

Next season, Hazard may not even being here so if Benz gets hurt, it will be a choice between a 9 or a false 9. The only reason, it has been a false 9 is because of Mariano! So it’s really depends on how well Bravo can perform. As I said earlier, he is playing well at Castilla and reportedly Carlo is impressed.

You yourself said, Endick will need some time to acclimatize to Europe, so he won’t instantly be starter. In the interim, if Bravo does perform, he may be the starter for that period, the stop gap you said was needed. If the hype about Endick is correct, he will win the starter job when he has acclimated.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:28 am

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futbol_bill wrote:You talked about stop gap! Next year, Benz is still at Madrid, and Bravo is the likely backup. It will likely be like this year is turning out, so Bravo will get lots of opportunities. The year after when Endick arrives, he won’t be an instant starter, and thus Bravo works as the stop gap! If he doesn’t they will look for an alternative.
The back up right now is Rodrygo and that's where he prefers to play. We'll only shift him for someone who we think will do better in that position and that's likely Endrick not Bravo. When Mariano leaves next summer we may promote Iker but only to be the 3rd or 4th choice CF after Rodrygo and Hazard. I haven't watched Iker play apart from a few highlights but Endrick is supposed to be the next big thing. We won't jeopardise his path to our first choice n9 by having someone as old as him in front of him in the pecking order hence why he won't go to the team that has Haaland as the starter.


Boy i’m glad your not Carlo!

Rodrygo isn’t a 9 and he will become the RW. The only reason Bravo isn’t with the first team is become of Mariano. He is one of several potential future 9s that the club had been watching. That list also included Endick.

Next season, Hazard may not even being here so if Benz gets hurt, it will be a choice between a 9 or a false 9. The only reason, it has been a false 9 is because of Mariano! So it’s really depends on how well Bravo can perform. As I said earlier, he is playing well at Castilla and reportedly Carlo is impressed.

You yourself said, Endick will need some time to acclimatize to Europe, so he won’t instantly be starter. In the interim, if Bravo does perform, he may be the starter for that period, the stop gap you said was needed. If the hype about Endick is correct, he will win the starter job when he has acclimated.
Rodrygo never plays as a RW even when be starts there. If you look at heatmaps you'll see him where you'd expect Benzema to be. He sees himself as a false 9 and that experiment has worked wonders so far. Ancelotti sees him as someone who can play anywhere in the front 3.

Hazard won't leave. I've given up on that idea. Next year will be his year etc etc.

Iker may get promoted when Mariano leaves but I believe it when I see it. We have a couple of youngsters who have been good enough for the first team but they've probably been in the squad twice or three times this season.
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:10 am

He sees himself as a false 9 and that experiment has worked wonders so far. Ancelotti sees him as someone who can play anywhere in the front 3.  

You do realize you are contradicting yourself?

Iker Bravo is not a Castilla product, he was just purchased. He is not same age as Endick, he is 2 years older.

Ok I agree to disagree with your view. vamos  a ver en el próximo año!
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:15 pm

futbol_bill wrote: He sees himself as a false 9 and that experiment has worked wonders so far. Ancelotti sees him as someone who can play anywhere in the front 3.  

You do realize you are contradicting yourself?

Iker Bravo is not a Castilla product, he was just purchased. He is not same age as Endick, he is 2 years older.

Ok I agree to disagree with your view. vamos  a ver en el próximo año!
How do you figure? Rodrygo sees himself as a false 9. Ancelotti sees him as someone who can play anywhere across fhe front 3. Valverde is in tbe same boat. Sees himself as a CM but our coaches see him as someone who can play anywhere on the right whether that is RW, RM, RCM, RB etc. Does that mean he should play fulltime as a RW? No.

Iker is not a Castilla product but Arribas is and Peter is etc and the club and our coaches have been raving about them since I can remember and they have not been promoted yet. I believe it when I see it.

Right now our priority should be to get Endrick deal over the line and get a veteran striker until he comes of age
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Post by futbol_bill Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:52 am

Hala, I apologize. I was wrong, you are right!

I did some digging into Bravo’s background and stats. He is a Barca product and has been bought on loan, with option to buy from Bayern Leverkusen. He is / has been starting CF for Leverkusen, Castilla and Spanish U17. However his stats are not anything exceptional. He has had a couple of very impressive goals however. It looks like he was bought to shore up Castilla, much like Duro from Getafe a few years ago. The option to buy is there if he does work out. I think when Carlo raved about him and put him on squad list for CL was at beginning of season to add another option if Hazard, Mariano, Rodrygo weren’t sufficient.

I have also been thinking about Endick arriving in 2 years (assuming we do close deal soon). All of Vinicius, Rodrygo and Neymar (all similar cases) played on first team when they arrived and were given enough playing time to get acclimated with becoming a starter in due time. I think Neymar was in 1st while the other two it was 3rd.

So I now think, if this season works out, they may just stay with what they have or possibly sign someone to replace Mariano, will depend on what May be available. If Benz is up to it, they may extend him and use him to play a lessor role and mentor Endick in the acclimimation!
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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:19 am




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Post by futbol_bill Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:44 am

I have reading more about Endick and it has left me completely confused! I had understood, the pursuit for him was based on him being a “9” and an eventual Benzema replacement. Now I’m reading he is more like Hazard, a false 9 or an AM. The pictures I have seen of him, make him out to be of a build like Rodrygo, i.e. not big or strong enough to be a “9”.

Top this with Vinicius a fixture at LW plus statements like Rodrygo’s best position is a false 9 or a SS, I’m sure confused, assuming the three Brazilians is the strategy for future front line!

Does anyone have any insight as to what formation and positions these will play in this strategy?

As to us getting him, I’m not convinced we are the favorite based on various statements coming out of Brasil! It beginning to sound like the Neymar deal. He will go to highest bidder, which could lead to more corruption like Barca did in the Neymar case. The PSG rejection may only be that they want more!
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Post by futbol_bill Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:53 am

From my selfish point of view, if I’m right about Endick possibly becoming bidding war, I would rather spend whatever it takes for Haaland!

If the interest is like it was with Vinicius and Rodrygo, trying to get latest Brazilian talent on board and not a strategy for Benz replacement, then it isn’t a war / risk club should take as he is too close in age to Vini and Rodrygo!

By the time he would be ready to start, Haaland may be available, at a hefty price!
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:24 am



I admire his honesty. That's probably RM out of the running then. We don't go into bidding wars
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