EA Sports La Liga 2022/23

not a valid excuse/argument. The league goes wild when kanoute insists on covering a betting ad on his jersey, or the league offices get turned upside down and everybody lfp loses their marbles when the word Palestine is written on kanoute's jersey.

But when fans chant rasist remarks towards him its a societal problem they can't control. btw i'm not saying you're defending the league's actions or inactions; not trying to put you in that position. just pointing out how things operate in the sports world.

and in fairness i don't think tebas was president of the league at the time, but that again tells us how some things ($) are more important than others.

sportsczy wrote:Some cultural relativism is necessary.

Italy, Spain and many other countries do not accept the Anglo definition of what constitutes racism.   They just don't.  If you don't like it, leave.  Unless the country's society has a problem with the language used (which obviously they don't in Spain and Italy), it's not changing.

La Liga isn't going to take action unless Spanish society requires it of them.  And Spanish society doesn't see it as a big problem here otherwise the pressure would be intense and La Liga would be forced to react.

If Vini really can't handle it in Spain, he should 100% leave.

That simply is not true Sports. We even have laws against it. We are not as uptight as say Americans and some historical slang is acceptable. But calling someone a mono and adding monkey motions is over the top. One issue is clearly identifying the culprits to which justice department claims is their problem. And in the case at Atletico when the culprits were identified, the club after a week of protest gave them a weak penalty, banning the, from stadium and justice department not involved. The latter part is on Tebas!

Today for example when the culprits were identified they should have been removed from stadium before game resumed. But it was the liga rep at game that stopped the ref and a very weak public announcement was issued. That’s on club and liga (Tebas again).

Bottom line to me is Tebas and the clubs done want to do anything. And to have Tebas calling out Vinicius is just appalling, but we can’t expect anything from that incompetent asshole!

halamadrid2 wrote:

Javier Tebas, La Liga’s president to Viní Jr: “We have tried to explain it to you [What La Liga can do re. racism], but you have not shown up to any of the two agreed dates that you requested. Before you criticize and slander La Liga, you need to inform yourself properly.” pic.twitter.com/mKydMaIRDH

— Madrid Xtra (@MadridXtra) May 21, 2023

 

The clown didn't dissapoint

I honestly expected this reply, so did everyone else and I assume, so did Vini.

As for what Sports wrote, if Spain, Italy etc, were selling to themselves, sure. Continue being you I suppose. But Spain is selling La Liga as a product to the world market so whatever they feel locally means nothing or at least, very little.

The longer La Liga continues to not bring down the hammer on this matter, the faster they'll find their product be something not worth investing in.

Doc wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:

Javier Tebas, La Liga’s president to Viní Jr: “We have tried to explain it to you [What La Liga can do re. racism], but you have not shown up to any of the two agreed dates that you requested. Before you criticize and slander La Liga, you need to inform yourself properly.” pic.twitter.com/mKydMaIRDH

— Madrid Xtra (@MadridXtra) May 21, 2023

 

The clown didn't dissapoint

I honestly expected this reply, so did everyone else and I assume, so did Vini.

As for what Sports wrote, if Spain, Italy etc, were selling to themselves, sure. Continue being you I suppose. But Spain is selling La Liga as a product to the world market so whatever they feel locally means nothing or at least, very little.

The longer La Liga continues to not bring down the hammer on this matter, the faster they'll find their product be something not worth investing in.

Absolutely agree with this and yet look who is trying to do the selling?

I posted about this in the racism thread, but this seems to be where the discussion is occurring.

All I'm gonna say is this is a massive reason why I can't become invested in La Liga, no matter how many times I've tried.

I believe we can condemn the action itself and also realize vini needs to do his best irregardless. The two ideas can coexist. Also good point on benzema, dude did nothing to protect vini, big L as the captain. But the first thing that does come to mind for me is how to stop what’s going on. For all the shit America gets, I’d love to see consistent examples of fans calling opposing team members racial slurs, it’s an unfamiliar concept to me here.

Where are the sponsors in all of this? Who would want their brand to be associated with any of this?  It seems like they just stay quiet if they aren't being pressured by social justice activists and the far-reaching US media.

Vinicius Jr. to Javier Tebas:

“Once again, instead of criticizing racists, the president of La Liga appears on social media to attack me.

As much as you talk and pretend not to read, the image of your championship is shaken. See the responses to your posts and have a… pic.twitter.com/4ecNTwWSn1

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 21, 2023

Racism should never be condoned and the fact we still have to see these situations is upsetting.

But it isn't surprising. It's a problem the entire world deals with.

I don't think Vinicius complaining about it will cause any real change. It's an issue at a societal level.

But at least if heavy sanctions are imposed, fans would start thinking twice about their actions. Banning 1 or 2 fans for life isn't going to do anything. You need to fine the club and ban the entire home/away attendees for multiple games to send a message.

Perhaps then when those low IQ fans notice their teams play worse due to a lack of stadium support, and the club complains that their bottom line is being impacted due to a lack of attendance revenue then these racist fans might be a little more concerned about what they exactly spew.

That being said, I do understand Sports point. Rival fans are always going to find ways to wind you up. They're going to mock you. They'll insult you and your family during the game. They'll make fun of your physical appearance, and if your skin color is something they can throw a jibe at you with, oh they'll do that.

I wonder if those jeering fans even consider their behaviour to be racist. I'm sure if you went up to those fans they'd say they were just having fun and that it's part of the sport and they'd dismiss your 'allegation'. They would probably also say that Vinicius doesn't help matters either.

He's a very emotional player. Even when he's not getting racist abuse, he's always complaining to the refs and diving. He also has that Bruno Fernandes thing where since they're both really ugly, you notice them complaining on camera more than other players. I'm not even memeing here, but I suspect its contributed to Vinicius' negative reputation. Also, those low IQ fans now know what triggers him,  so they'll continue to throw racist jibes if they think that will lead to him playing worse and getting sent off.

Ultimately, football fans are very tribalistic, so I just can't imagine those Spanish fans suddenly having empathy for him. They probably saw that video of him crying and are licking their lips on giving him the same treatment.

Only way to deal with this right now is to impose heavy sanctions to scare them off. I don't think they'll learn otherwise. Giving soft punishments and just hoping the problem subsides over time as Spanish society evolves will lead to Vinicius potentially leaving the league IMO.

Vini is welcome to come to Liverpool, you can happily take Mbappe. We can let him go to you if you bunch allow Vini to come to us.

Helmer wrote:Vini is welcome to come to Liverpool, you can happily take Mbappe. We can let him go to you if you bunch allow Vini to come to us.

There is no black franchise player that'll want to come to us unless we get a grip on the situation. The racism that Vini has suffered has gotten so out of hand that I don't know what will happen the next time we play away. Our next away game is against Sevilla. Another ground where we have faced abuse.

The response from the LaLiga president is so tone def I am amazed he still has his job today.

I am in awe at our clubs complete radio silence while Vini gets abused physically and verbally nearly every game.

I don't think we'll lose him but I definitely think Vini's relationship with our hierarchy will get cold when he finally understands that for Flo it's all just business nothing personal. Until today Vini has seen the club as his family where he has grown up but with the way we have reacted to all this which I am ashamed of btw I wouldn't be surprised if Vini turned into another CR7/Ramos where he just haggles at every contract negotiation

Yeah Mbappe and his entourage has to be looking at what's happening to Vini and wondering when that'll happen to him if he signs with Madrid.

The way Tebas is handling this happening to the most bankable Black star in the league will definitely have a chilling affect on all other Black players as well, who likely have their own racism stories, but haven't come forward because they know nothing will be done about it, especially if it's happening to the top player in the league.

Well there are some positive actions being taken today.
1. Rubiales has condemned actions from yesterday and basically said all the things that Tebas should be doing.
2. perez has met one on one with Vinius offering him support
3. Valencia club has come out against the abuse and is proceeding with the evidence of the culprits leading to likely life time bans.

While it’s too little and too late, at least some are recognizing how bad this is. Tebas needs to be held accountable for this.

Sack Tebas. Vini can't leave, he's the main obstacle preventing RM from getting Mbappe ffs

FIFA President Infantino’s statement on #ViniciusJr.

Recommends a three-step process at all levels of football.

But La Liga president says Vini should come so they explain to him. pic.twitter.com/xLdUXilTIw

— Juliet Bawuah (@julietbawuah) May 22, 2023

Imagine being such a shitheel that an even bigger shitheel actually looks like the reasonable one between the 2.

Real Madrid has filed a criminal complaint says racial abuse of Vinicius constitutes a hate crime.

JUST IN: Valencia have found the two people who racially insulted Viní Jr & will release a statement shortly. @elchiringuitotv pic.twitter.com/IEgkR74Ki5

— Madrid Xtra (@MadridXtra) May 22, 2023

2 people LaLiga will never rid itself of racism when they blatantly sweep it under the carpet like this. To Valencia the whole stadium is being narrowed down to 2 people. Absolute joke

️ RFEF President Luis Rubiales: “Ignore the irresponsible behavior of Javier Tebas who is on social media engaging with a footballer who hours before has received racist insults.” @carrusel pic.twitter.com/5oErELpiqT

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 22, 2023

LaLiga is a circus

Yea the thing is about Vini is he CANT CONTINUE to think hes special or whatever n act like the way he is n has been doing this whole season basically? I think ppl need to realize that DESPITE whatever is happening with the racist fans etc., bottom line is VINI NEEDS TO ADJUST himself.

Reason being as we all said already n as Sport mentioned, opposition fans n prolly players alike will just enjoy it n wanna do it even more if they see Vini act that way all the time, it just doesnt solve anything n actually provokes them n makes things worst. Pretty sure he will realize that soon, will need to learn to control himself as hes not a teenager anymore? Hes a damn elite pro sports star, n he has to face the public day in day out or at least when he plays, n that includes racists, ultras, fans or whoever, etc, lol? N if Real has some competent advisers to help him... otherwise I agree with Sport, if he cant handle that type of pressure he prolly better off at another club with another environment.

No Vini does not need to adjust himself, are you dense. How does shit talking which happens at every game excuse racism or brutality?

You think it's ok for players to chokehold him because he mocks them? Or for fans to hang up effigies of him out on the highway.

This reminds me of early in the seaosn when people said he should blame himself for racist chants because he was dancing after scoring goals. Soon his harcut will offend people.

Get a grip boy, Vini isnt doing anything more than an average footballer does on a pitch. Players in EPL complain of wht Haaland does in a game to get in the head of the defenders yet I don't see players being encouraged to break his legs and then blaming him for it. In fact we have seen nothing beyond thos players complaining of his shittalking.

People have found the perfect target. First it was Ronaldo, then Ramos and now Vini but it has now turned into something ugly as fans aren't chanting for him to die only but the whole stadium wre chanting monkey at him in unison and the head of the league is pretending that nothing is happening.

I genuinly hope Perez can get his ESL to become a reality. LaLiga do not deserve us

Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Just to also be clear, I adore Spain. But just like France, there are a lot of morons and a lot of them seem to go to football games. France is more diverse than Spain though... so if fans were to say something racist in the stands, there's a good chance that a group of other fans would beat the crap out of them. So for self-preservation purposes, this type of idiocy happens less. Plenty of racism in France though... but not during football games.

That attitude is why Spain is still living in denial until today. Yes, Spain has a societal problem with racism but there is so much the league and clubs can do to combat racism in football which is an area they can control. Spain isn't the only country where fans shout racial slurs at players, God knows how many times Sterling has complained. But unlike LL which is burying its head in the sand EPL and the rest of the clubs are working together to ban anyone who utters racial slurs at players. What happened in Mestalla will never happen in a stadium in England and that's not because there isn't a single racist in that country but because they understand there'll be consequences. I am 100% sure if an incident happens like what happened at Mestalla in England, they'd be playing with no fans with immediate effects. And who are you to judge Vini how he reacts to a whole stadium chanting monkey at him or a section of the crowd like how it usually is on a normal away game unless of course you've been in that situation before?

BREAKING: The RFEF & @CTARFEF FIRE six VAR referees, starting with Iglesias Villanueva, responsible for VAR at Real Madrid vs Valencia. @marca :

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 22, 2023

An incremental but positive start. The irony if the great purge of all the Negreira lackeys occur as a result of what has happened to Vini

@Hala - UK has it too.  Plenty of it in fact.  

Here's a good study on it:  https://uia.brage.unit.no/uia-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/2787471/Isak%20Skadberg%20Gravdal.pdf?sequence=1

Not as bad as Italy or Spain though. With hooligans banned, a lot of the terrible ones went away as a secondary impact.

sportsczy wrote:Vini can cry to the moon about abuse, racism, and whatever else.  It may mostly even be justified.  But it will hurt him more than anything else.  Valencia FC isn't going to sanction its football fans.  La Liga isn't going to sanction its football fans.   Spain isn't going to sanction its fans.

The only three things that would cause actual movement (and not lip service which is all that's going on, including Real Madrid.  Hate crime?  Get a grip lol; that's not going anywhere) are:
-  Politicians/elected officials/bureaucrats feeling that their power is being threatened
-  Sponsors going away
-  Fans moving away from football

None of these 3 are going to happen in the short term.  So instead, there's this whole PR thing going on right now which will likely lead to absolutely... nothing.

So, Vini needs to develop a thick skin and stop reacting, which will then cause people to stop triggering him this way.  Because, believe it or not, the intent isn't to be racist.  It's to get Vini to play worse/self-destruct so their team wins.  That's it.  Nothing more sinister than that.

Even if change were to occur... it will take years btw.  So Vini either adapts or needs to leave.  There's no other choice for him.

I'm saying this with Vini's well-being in mind.  It just won't end well for him by attacking and calling out these idiots.   The only way is to not play their game... Vini is reacting in the exact manner that they hope he would believe it or not.   Get out of La Liga kid.  Your mental health and happiness aren't worth it if you can't deal.  Plenty of great clubs in more hospitable places would love to have you.

Parts of this take are reasonable and parts are just wild.

Vini did nothing wrong. He's done absolutely nothing that we don't see anywhere in Spain or elsewhere. He's done nothing to deserve the abuse he's receiving nor have those who are abusing him done nothing to deserve being protected from their actions. Why does he have to change how he conducts himself yet the people racially abusing him, whether its 2 or the whole fucking nation, get to just continue doing it without absolutely any accountability? That's an astounding thing to say to a victim of racist abuse.

I do agree that there needs to be a mass exodus of Black players from both La Liga (and Serie A as well) as racism is rampant among not just the fans, but the media and league organizations as well. The requires a concerted effort from both the players and the agencies repping them to take a stand. Unfortunately, money talks though.

Agreed.  Vini has done nothing wrong.  I'm just expressing (imo) how he could stay if he chose to...   there isn't a magic wand to solve the problem.  Ideally, society would stand up and abolish these issues.  We all know that's not going to happen.

So he either needs to adapt or leave.  He's lucky enough that the option is available for him.  A lot of people dealing with racism (and other prejudice) don't have an opportunity to leave the situation.