The new player-manager-director of football - Kylian Mbappe

Myesyats wrote:

Bankz wrote:Mbappe lied. Point blank. He told Real Madrid he was coming, he gave them his word.

When did that happen? It was reported by Madrid based media that Mbappe "gave RM his word" but I reckon it was just a catchy news headline at best, otherwise untrue.

Why would he "give his word" when he was free to sign whatever contract he wanted on January 1?  This whole narrative is nonsense.

And btw, as much as i don't like Flo, i don't blame him one bit for gambling on Mbappe.  He and Haaland are the two players you gamble on and hope for the best.  Real Madrid and its fans are just not used to losing these types of gambles.

For those thinking that Flo chose Mbappe over Haaland... that's not true.  He was after both.  Man City gave Haaland more favorable terms (namely, an out clause after 2 years that Madrid would not give).

Understandably emotions are high but some of the takes in this thread are not very well thought through, or am I crazy?

I don't believe for a second that Mbappe gave his word to anyone until yesterday. He may sympathize with Madrid, but he also loves Paris. Some of you guys acting like Real has some divine status as a club and rejecting their offer is heresy that no penance can ever redeem?! Out of pride, you shall never look at Mbappe again? REALLY?

Another take I have a gripe with is blaming Mbappe for this frenzy. He spoke very little publicly and did not make "La Decision" documentaries. He had two offers and as is custom in negotiation between 2+ clubs and the player, you wait things out until either party raises their offer to satisfactory level. This is what anyone would do, and it's pretty straightforward. The frenzy surrounding the negotiation — from Mbappe giving Perez a pledge signed with his blood and the blood of sacrifical lamb, to Qatari royals giving Kylian emperor status of the state of Qatar — is all media manufactured that has little to none to do with the player himself.

Official - Leonardo sacked with Luis Campos as favorite to take over role https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Leonardo-demis-de-ses-fonctions-de-directeur-sportif-du-psg/1334419

Rumor - Poche getting fired with Zidane taking over https://www.eurosport.com/football/ligue-1/2021-2022/mauricio-pochettino-set-to-be-sacked-by-paris-saint-germain-with-zinedine-zidane-touted-as-a-replace_sto8934463/story.shtml

Poche getting fired is 100%.  Zidane getting hired is 99% imo.

Another strange rumor - PSG is shopping Neymar and Al-Khalaifi is directly negotiating with Ousmane Dembele's agent to bring him on.

Im not ever gonna pay much attention to Tabloids like Marca anymore, they just keep making things up like its done deal so far back n reverse stories countless times lol... Im just so glad since this means a more level playing field for La Liga for yrs to come

As for PSG its also good MNM is here to stay, but I wonder which version? The current one is good but they really need to work more if they ever wanna win the CL, the opposite possibility is they will just treat it as a bonus every season n take it easy mostly n walk the league. If Zidane comes to manage them I think he really could make them into hungrier team that can really win the CL, see what he did at Real's CL run all those yrs. I didnt understand that before but its been proven that someone like Zidane commands the respect n believe of the to players n thats whats missing at PSG.

guys.. end of the day, business is business. I don't think we should open the door to Mbappe to come, but its nothing personal. He did what he thought was best for him. It's our fault for putting our eggs in one basket. Its about building a coherent squad and we have wanting areas in the RW, midfield and fullback positions, arguably centerback as well

Karim Benzema is not happy with Kylian Mbappe after posting a picture on Instagram of Tupac & the friend that betrayed him. pic.twitter.com/GtFnR4dxtg

— TFS - Top Football Show (@TopFootballShow) May 21, 2022

Lol

| @jfelixdiaz: "Mbappé you’re not a man, a coward who didn’t have the balls to pick up the phone when Real Madrid were calling you to ask what happened. 10 days ago you kept telling them everything’s fine, then you stopped responding. You're a great player, but a little man.”

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 21, 2022

Coward personified

halamadrid2 wrote:

| @jfelixdiaz: "Mbappé you’re not a man, a coward who didn’t have the balls to pick up the phone when Real Madrid were calling you to ask what happened. 10 days ago you kept telling them everything’s fine, then you stopped responding. You're a great player, but a little man.”

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 21, 2022

Coward personified

Yes, not surprised. He's a confirmed betraying, rat pos.

Madrid should've pulled the plug when he stopped picking up the phone.

I will never forgive Perez if he tries to sign him again.

imagine taking it so personal though
this whole saga has just showed me again what i have known of Real Madrid fans for a long time... spoiled entitled little brats

It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

BTW EG, if you go back in the thread, you will see that I started voicing my discontent and annoyance of Mbappe's behavior way before the news that he had rejected Madrid first broke out. And I immediately started saying that I wish Madrid would withdraw their offer because he's being disrespectful with the way he's playing this out.

So the rejection isn't what causing the anger of some Madrid fans, it's not the first time Madrid got rejected nor will it be the last. The "spoiled entitled little brats" should be directed at Mbappe and his entourage, not us.

The Bosman rule was established so many years ago. Unbelievably stupid of Perez to not wrap this up in January. The copium by Madrid fans is hilarious to see.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

I can feel your disappointment but still I find this take on the matter quite weird.

Life is not some fairy tale in which Mbappe was born a child of surprise destined to end up at RM. Even if he used Real to force PSG to raise their offer to astronomical heights, it's still fair game in my view. That's what every agent does (or ought to do because that's their job) in the interest of their client and his parents sure do love money.

Maybe he doesnt love RM as much as you thought he did. I told you he was more of a Ronaldo stan than RM fan as a whole.

I think football as a whole is changing. Emotional attachment doesn't exist anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Barca got Mbappe in a few years and Barca fans cheering for him like he was born a Barca fan. Players go from kissing the badge to stabbing the club in the back without batting an eyelid

What footballers care about now is making as much as possible before they retire. It's up to the clubs to not put themselves in financial ruins to please players

Look at RM, we had to penny pinch for 5/6 seasons and let go of all our top earners in order to make a historic offer to Mbappe that we haven't made anyone ever. Ronaldo was told to find a new club as soon as he asked for 30ME while we had no problem offering that to a guy who's only significant personal/collective trophy has been the WC and nothing else.

Meanwhile QSG with no revenue turned down 200ME last summer and are guving him 50ME now. It's absurd.

People talk about RM being the first to outbid everyone financially but that's because we have a shrewed businessman as our president. When we went on the 2009 spending spree we did it because we'd taken out a loan. We are now one of the richest sport franchises in the world who barely felt the sting of the covid financial losses, but here are people comparing us to teams who have had cash injections taking the short route to the top of the financial table

Most of our historic rival teams envy us for being such a well run club. Yet there are people lumping us together with Barca as being broke and spending above our means. They couldn't be more wrong

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Mbappe waging war against Madrid

Holy shit Bill.  I know you know the difference between negotiating a term sheet and signing one.  

When doing a deal, startup, M&A, etc, you negotiate several term sheets and use one party’s offer to drive up to other.   It’s sooooo standard.   And then, when you’ve maximized all offers, you choose one.

I know Flo was *bleep*.   And now the fans are showing themselves as petulant entitled children.

And if Flo didn’t like the methods or anything, pull the offer.   That’s the bidder’s right.  Very easy.   But Madrid didn’t.  

What is wrong with you people.

How do you beat Oil money. If they want they get.
Qatar got Neymar, Messi and now Mbappé . Only oil money could bring/keep these kind of players in ligue 1. Football business is so bad that it needs Oil money to survive.
Also I'm sure that Qatar gave undeclared money to Mbappé as well

The Demon of Carthage wrote:It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

Don't worry DoC, you should have seen Arsenal GL when Fabregas left them all those years ago. Or when Liverpool blocked the Suarez transfer.

Yes ffs that’s how every agent/lawyer worthy of anything negotiates when you hold the leverage!!!  Always goes right up to the stroke of midnight because you always get big concessions right at the end in a competitive bid situation.  

Stop acting like a 10 year old school boy.

futbol_bill wrote:You really think that there were negotiations happening for past 5 months? I know you aren’t going to accept this and I can’t prove it, but deal including image rights was done at beginning of February or at least Flo believed it was. But at the same time, they knew PSG would keep throwing out new offers. What they didn’t expect was Mbappe and family playing them.

And stop throwing out your insults. You clearly are enjoying your French dream! Good on you!

Your acceptance of state owned finances are far worse than anything Flo has done and yet you continue to take shots at Flo, the club and us fans while you are rejoicing in the use of oil money!

We really don't need to be living under the same roof as Perez to know exactly what happened.

The guy wanted to leave. This is pretty well-documentated and even confirmed it himself not so long ago during an interview with Rothen. If he had said that in public, imagine what he had said to Florentino? He must've given him guarantees that he would never budge.

He even ran down his contract and refused to renew all these years despite PSG whoring themselves and throwing astronomical figures at him.

It's pretty fucking obvious he wanted to leave and it looked pretty inevitable and definite to everybody living under the sun. So naturally, Madrid took him for his word and even tried to make his departure as smooth as possible by offering PSG 200m last year. Alcatraz of course refused to even entertain the offer and kept spreading their butt cheeks as wide as possible to convince him to stay.

Madrid were unfazed by PSG's offers and trusted the player to keep his word.

Everything was going according to plan until 10 days ago when PSG got so desperate they gave him something no other football club gave to any player in football history, and that's when the dude decided to change his mind and renew.

Moral of the story here is that Madrid fans don't blame him for renewing with PSG per say. In fact, nobody would've blamed him if he had renewed with PSG last year or the year before last. But to run down the clock and dupe Madrid into believing you're really serious about joining them to the point that the management decided to make you their top priority and not go after anyone else and stick by your side no matter what, only to make a U-turn at the last second? This is beyond disgusting. Yes, we're not furious because he renewed, do you think we are in shortage of Galacticos? Take a fucking look at our history for god's sake. We are furious because he dragged the club down to a place unbeknownst to Madrid. We didn't need this and we certainly didn't deserve this.

And on a personal note, the thing that got me annoyed the most is the last few days leading up to his fucking decision. PSG had no problem with it because they are a club with no pride or history, and the only thing they can do to convince players to stay is to give them their weight in gold. But Madrid should have never accepted to be dragged into this nasty game where we wait and wait and wait until his royal highness finally accepts to choose us instead of them.

When his mother said that they have accepted the two offers and that Mbappé is thinking between the two, my blood boiled. This is Real fucking Madrid, the king of kings, not some state-funded club begging players to stay.

sportsczy wrote:

Another strange rumor - PSG is shopping Neymar and Al-Khalaifi is directly negotiating with Ousmane Dembele's agent to bring him on.

I feel like they're starting to do what many fans wanted them to do years ago. i.e. giving the team a "French" identity by signing as many young world class French players as possible, focusing on emerging Ligue 1 talent, giving more chances to academy players, and diching ready-made foreign superstars who in all likelihood look down on the club and the league and are simply unable to put in the same level of commitment and effort that they would have for teams like Barça, Madrid etc..