The new player-manager-director of football - Kylian Mbappe

Myesyats wrote:

Bankz wrote:Mbappe lied. Point blank. He told Real Madrid he was coming, he gave them his word.

When did that happen? It was reported by Madrid based media that Mbappe "gave RM his word" but I reckon it was just a catchy news headline at best, otherwise untrue.

Why would he "give his word" when he was free to sign whatever contract he wanted on January 1?  This whole narrative is nonsense.

And btw, as much as i don't like Flo, i don't blame him one bit for gambling on Mbappe.  He and Haaland are the two players you gamble on and hope for the best.  Real Madrid and its fans are just not used to losing these types of gambles.

For those thinking that Flo chose Mbappe over Haaland... that's not true.  He was after both.  Man City gave Haaland more favorable terms (namely, an out clause after 2 years that Madrid would not give).

Understandably emotions are high but some of the takes in this thread are not very well thought through, or am I crazy?

I don't believe for a second that Mbappe gave his word to anyone until yesterday. He may sympathize with Madrid, but he also loves Paris. Some of you guys acting like Real has some divine status as a club and rejecting their offer is heresy that no penance can ever redeem?! Out of pride, you shall never look at Mbappe again? REALLY?

Another take I have a gripe with is blaming Mbappe for this frenzy. He spoke very little publicly and did not make "La Decision" documentaries. He had two offers and as is custom in negotiation between 2+ clubs and the player, you wait things out until either party raises their offer to satisfactory level. This is what anyone would do, and it's pretty straightforward. The frenzy surrounding the negotiation — from Mbappe giving Perez a pledge signed with his blood and the blood of sacrifical lamb, to Qatari royals giving Kylian emperor status of the state of Qatar — is all media manufactured that has little to none to do with the player himself.

even if he gave "his word" which i doubt he did (you dont give ure word when ure trying to negotiate a favorable deal), madrid have given their word and turned back on it. a verbal contract is binding but the problem is proving it exists...i dont believe a word of that, and as i've always maintained, i never believed this deal was going through. chapter is closed, i didnt like the idea of a sign on fee either way, what's the use of a free transfer if we have to pay some sign on fee?

Official - Leonardo sacked with Luis Campos as favorite to take over role https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Leonardo-demis-de-ses-fonctions-de-directeur-sportif-du-psg/1334419

Rumor - Poche getting fired with Zidane taking over https://www.eurosport.com/football/ligue-1/2021-2022/mauricio-pochettino-set-to-be-sacked-by-paris-saint-germain-with-zinedine-zidane-touted-as-a-replace_sto8934463/story.shtml

Poche getting fired is 100%.  Zidane getting hired is 99% imo.

Another strange rumor - PSG is shopping Neymar and Al-Khalaifi is directly negotiating with Ousmane Dembele's agent to bring him on.

Im not ever gonna pay much attention to Tabloids like Marca anymore, they just keep making things up like its done deal so far back n reverse stories countless times lol... Im just so glad since this means a more level playing field for La Liga for yrs to come

As for PSG its also good MNM is here to stay, but I wonder which version? The current one is good but they really need to work more if they ever wanna win the CL, the opposite possibility is they will just treat it as a bonus every season n take it easy mostly n walk the league. If Zidane comes to manage them I think he really could make them into hungrier team that can really win the CL, see what he did at Real's CL run all those yrs. I didnt understand that before but its been proven that someone like Zidane commands the respect n believe of the to players n thats whats missing at PSG.

guys.. end of the day, business is business. I don't think we should open the door to Mbappe to come, but its nothing personal. He did what he thought was best for him. It's our fault for putting our eggs in one basket. Its about building a coherent squad and we have wanting areas in the RW, midfield and fullback positions, arguably centerback as well

halamadrid2 wrote:

| @jfelixdiaz: "Mbappé you’re not a man, a coward who didn’t have the balls to pick up the phone when Real Madrid were calling you to ask what happened. 10 days ago you kept telling them everything’s fine, then you stopped responding. You're a great player, but a little man.”

— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) May 21, 2022

Coward personified

Yes, not surprised. He's a confirmed betraying, rat pos.

Madrid should've pulled the plug when he stopped picking up the phone.

I will never forgive Perez if he tries to sign him again.

It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

BTW EG, if you go back in the thread, you will see that I started voicing my discontent and annoyance of Mbappe's behavior way before the news that he had rejected Madrid first broke out. And I immediately started saying that I wish Madrid would withdraw their offer because he's being disrespectful with the way he's playing this out.

So the rejection isn't what causing the anger of some Madrid fans, it's not the first time Madrid got rejected nor will it be the last. The "spoiled entitled little brats" should be directed at Mbappe and his entourage, not us.

The Bosman rule was established so many years ago. Unbelievably stupid of Perez to not wrap this up in January. The copium by Madrid fans is hilarious to see.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

I can feel your disappointment but still I find this take on the matter quite weird.

Life is not some fairy tale in which Mbappe was born a child of surprise destined to end up at RM. Even if he used Real to force PSG to raise their offer to astronomical heights, it's still fair game in my view. That's what every agent does (or ought to do because that's their job) in the interest of their client and his parents sure do love money.

Maybe he doesnt love RM as much as you thought he did. I told you he was more of a Ronaldo stan than RM fan as a whole.

M99 wrote:The Bosman rule was established so many years ago. Unbelievably stupid of Perez to not wrap this up in January. The copium by Madrid fans is hilarious to see.

Bosman rule is deal can be negotiated and agreed in January, but can not be registered until end of May. If you have noticed the Alaba and Rudgier deals are not announced until end of May. They don’t announce the agreement usually out of respect for the player finishing his season at current club. Way back when, when Figo was signed from Barcelona (before Bosman rule), Perez even had a separate legal agreement signed in the event that Barcelona pressures got to Figo and he would break his commitment. The only difference this time was there was no separate agreement.

And for those of you saying there was no agreement, how do you explain Mbappe’s mother saying we have reached agreement with both clubs! Or Perez saying he wouldn’t be making any other moves until Mbappe deal, was secured.

Holy shit Bill.  I know you know the difference between negotiating a term sheet and signing one.  

When doing a deal, startup, M&A, etc, you negotiate several term sheets and use one party’s offer to drive up to other.   It’s sooooo standard.   And then, when you’ve maximized all offers, you choose one.

I know Flo was *bleep*.   And now the fans are showing themselves as petulant entitled children.

And if Flo didn’t like the methods or anything, pull the offer.   That’s the bidder’s right.  Very easy.   But Madrid didn’t.  

What is wrong with you people.

How do you beat Oil money. If they want they get.
Qatar got Neymar, Messi and now Mbappé . Only oil money could bring/keep these kind of players in ligue 1. Football business is so bad that it needs Oil money to survive.
Also I'm sure that Qatar gave undeclared money to Mbappé as well

come on we cant be sounding like jilted lovers. the man was never at our club, he had a decision to make on whether or not he wants to sign. its his decision, he has every right to take all the time he wants to make the decision as long as its within the transfer window timeline.

some points to make:
he made the decision before the summer window even opened, so it gives us ample time to know what moves to make and not go haywire. its not like he made the decision in say September or something

people saying if he made it earlier, we could have signed Haaland. maybe so, but you do not base a crucial decision of your life and career on another person. even if he did, our recent transfer history would suggest we couldnt sign haaland, especially when city are the competitors. our history tells us a lot

@barcalearning, stop listening to tabloids for things like transfer rumors. most of them are opinionated, and just play that game 'telephone', they hear something from an insider at the club, who heard it from another insider, who may or may not be close to the president. when it comes to transfer rumors, wait till something is official. the problem is people dont wanna hear from proper journalists, cos a real journalist will tell you "i dont know, i havent heard anything". people want to hear "my cousin who works as a kitman for the club said he saw mbappe eating mashed potatoes and chicken in florentino's office"

as a matter of pride and sending a message, florentino should forget about pursuing this deal in future. and also re-asses that whole free transfer policy tactic for stars. we cant act like jilted lovers, we got a league title, and are in the finals (Where we knocked his team out) without him....i'm not gonna act like i wouldn't want him at madrid, cos i did, hell i would have liked both him and haaland, but didnt think it was realistic. not the end of the world, people are acting like the trasnfer window closes tomorrow (we also dont need panic buys)

The Demon of Carthage wrote:It has nothing to do with being spoiled. You don't want your club to be taken advantage of or played.

Mbappe has every right to choose the club that suits him best. It's the way he treated Madrid in the process that got me boiling.

You're not feeling it because you're not a Madrid fan, but if a similar thing happened to Arsenal, you would feel the same (or at least I hope so).

It's not the rejection that angers me, it's the way he treated the club.

Don't worry DoC, you should have seen Arsenal GL when Fabregas left them all those years ago. Or when Liverpool blocked the Suarez transfer.

sportsczy wrote:Holy shit Bill.  I know you know the difference between negotiating a term sheet and signing one.  

When doing a deal, startup, M&A, etc, you negotiate several term sheets and use one party’s offer to drive up to other.   It’s sooooo standard.   And then, when you’ve maximized all offers, you choose one.

I know Flo was *bleep*.   And now the fans are showing themselves as petulant entitled children.

And if Flo didn’t like the methods or anything, pull the offer.   That’s the bidder’s right.  Very easy.   But Madrid didn’t.  

What is wrong with you people.

You really think that there were negotiations happening for past 5 months? I know you aren’t going to accept this and I can’t prove it, but deal including image rights was done at beginning of February or at least Flo believed it was. But at the same time, they knew PSG would keep throwing out new offers. What they didn’t expect was Mbappe and family playing them.

And stop throwing out your insults. You clearly are enjoying your French dream! Good on you!

Your acceptance of state owned finances are far worse than anything Flo has done and yet you continue to take shots at Flo, the club and us fans while you are rejoicing in the use of oil money!

Yes ffs that’s how every agent/lawyer worthy of anything negotiates when you hold the leverage!!!  Always goes right up to the stroke of midnight because you always get big concessions right at the end in a competitive bid situation.  

Stop acting like a 10 year old school boy.

futbol_bill wrote:You really think that there were negotiations happening for past 5 months? I know you aren’t going to accept this and I can’t prove it, but deal including image rights was done at beginning of February or at least Flo believed it was. But at the same time, they knew PSG would keep throwing out new offers. What they didn’t expect was Mbappe and family playing them.

And stop throwing out your insults. You clearly are enjoying your French dream! Good on you!

Your acceptance of state owned finances are far worse than anything Flo has done and yet you continue to take shots at Flo, the club and us fans while you are rejoicing in the use of oil money!

We really don't need to be living under the same roof as Perez to know exactly what happened.

The guy wanted to leave. This is pretty well-documentated and even confirmed it himself not so long ago during an interview with Rothen. If he had said that in public, imagine what he had said to Florentino? He must've given him guarantees that he would never budge.

He even ran down his contract and refused to renew all these years despite PSG whoring themselves and throwing astronomical figures at him.

It's pretty fucking obvious he wanted to leave and it looked pretty inevitable and definite to everybody living under the sun. So naturally, Madrid took him for his word and even tried to make his departure as smooth as possible by offering PSG 200m last year. Alcatraz of course refused to even entertain the offer and kept spreading their butt cheeks as wide as possible to convince him to stay.

Madrid were unfazed by PSG's offers and trusted the player to keep his word.

Everything was going according to plan until 10 days ago when PSG got so desperate they gave him something no other football club gave to any player in football history, and that's when the dude decided to change his mind and renew.

Moral of the story here is that Madrid fans don't blame him for renewing with PSG per say. In fact, nobody would've blamed him if he had renewed with PSG last year or the year before last. But to run down the clock and dupe Madrid into believing you're really serious about joining them to the point that the management decided to make you their top priority and not go after anyone else and stick by your side no matter what, only to make a U-turn at the last second? This is beyond disgusting. Yes, we're not furious because he renewed, do you think we are in shortage of Galacticos? Take a fucking look at our history for god's sake. We are furious because he dragged the club down to a place unbeknownst to Madrid. We didn't need this and we certainly didn't deserve this.

And on a personal note, the thing that got me annoyed the most is the last few days leading up to his fucking decision. PSG had no problem with it because they are a club with no pride or history, and the only thing they can do to convince players to stay is to give them their weight in gold. But Madrid should have never accepted to be dragged into this nasty game where we wait and wait and wait until his royal highness finally accepts to choose us instead of them.

When his mother said that they have accepted the two offers and that Mbappé is thinking between the two, my blood boiled. This is Real fucking Madrid, the king of kings, not some state-funded club begging players to stay.

sportsczy wrote:Yes ffs that’s how every agent/lawyer worthy of anything negotiates when you hold the leverage!!!  Always goes right up to the stroke of midnight because you always get big concessions right at the end in a competitive bid situation.  

Stop acting like a 10 year old school boy.

Again stop with the insults! Negotiations are a two way communication. The fact that Mbappe and family continued after an apparent agreement months ago is the reality. Flo’s only problem was accepting Mbappe’s word. Maybe in France a man’s word is nothing, but in most of the world, a man’s word is priceless!

sportsczy wrote:

Another strange rumor - PSG is shopping Neymar and Al-Khalaifi is directly negotiating with Ousmane Dembele's agent to bring him on.

I feel like they're starting to do what many fans wanted them to do years ago. i.e. giving the team a "French" identity by signing as many young world class French players as possible, focusing on emerging Ligue 1 talent, giving more chances to academy players, and diching ready-made foreign superstars who in all likelihood look down on the club and the league and are simply unable to put in the same level of commitment and effort that they would have for teams like Barça, Madrid etc..