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Post by Vibe Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:32 am

1-0, go Nikola.

Fun fact - My sisters kid hangs around our local horse track, plays football there. He's like 13 and one day Jokic came to race his horses, and asked the kid if they can play football together. So they played, got some pictures together. Memory of a lifetime for a 13 year old.

And this is a small place, you would never imagine such a global star would find himself around here.

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Post by Warrior Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:12 pm

Who is more popular Jokic or Djokovic ?
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Post by Vibe Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:43 pm

Djokovic definitely.

Serbs didn't take it kindly when he didn't play for the national team. We are a kind of people who like to take things personally.

Djokovic would have been more popular regardleas though.
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Post by Warrior Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:31 pm

Nick Nurse new Sixers coach, ideal appointment for them

Embiid does not need somebody kissing his ass, he needs to follow a leader who is not scared to snap and wake up his troops and a coach who can make in-game tactical adjustments. 2 things i've never seen Doc Rivers do. Also watch Tyrese Maxey become all star next season

Frank Vogel hired by Suns. Not sure what to think i thought he did a good job with Lakers but in the end of his tenure was quite crap. In fact my take is they fired Monty Williams too fast.
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Post by Vibe Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:09 am

How is this Miami team so good?

On paper, I'm not sure I would have them making the playoffs.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:04 am

grit, determination, chemistry, great coaching

thought Nuggets didn't shoot the ball enough last night for some reason, just look at the box score
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Post by Vibe Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:09 am

My boy Nikola brings it home Proud

Wasn't able to see even a single finals game though. Mainly I wish I've seen the carry-job Aaron Gordon did with these guys, it was meant to be.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:33 am

Gordon was big time in game 3 or 4. Credit to Miami, they gave Denver their biggest fight in game 5, but it was just very clear to see Denver were the much better team. Happy for every single coach and player in that organisation. They did it the right way, their core (Jokic and Murray) through the draft, even MPJ, stuck by him through all the injuries, he doesn't live up to his contract value, but he can make a hustle play, rebound and big 3 here and there, and awesome acquisitions in Gordon, KCP and Bruce Brown. Even the rookie Christian Braun played good minutes this Finals. And Denver's first ever NBA championship. All good stuff.

Art Morte wrote:Which is the worse contract: Michael Porter Jr 5y/179m or Jordan Poole 4y/128m?
with all of this said, both of them have won one of the last two championships
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:45 am

NBA Player Power Rankings (after 2023 season, list based on accumulated player performance over the past few seasons)

1. Nikola Jokic (+2)
2. Stephen Curry (-1)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (-1)
4. Anthony Davis (re-entry)
5. Luka Doncic (-1)
6. Jamal Murray (re-entry)
7. Jayson Tatum (+3)
8. Joel Embiid (-1)
9. Devin Booker (+2)
10. Jimmy Butler (+3)
11. Kevin Durant (-5)
12. LeBron James (-7)
13. Kawhi Leonard (+1)
14. Jalen Brunson (new)
15. Ja Morant (-3)
16. Trae Young (-3)
17. Damian Lillard (-2)
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (new)
19. De'Aaron Fox (new)
20. Donovan Mitchell (re-entry)

+ (positions gained)
- (positions lost)
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Post by Blue Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

Nuggets are in a great position for the next 3-4 years with their best players locked in a contract, and players like Porter can still reach another level.
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Post by Blue Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:08 pm

El Gunner wrote:NBA Player Power Rankings (after 2023 season, list based on accumulated player performance over the past few seasons)

1. Nikola Jokic (+2)
2. Stephen Curry (-1)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (-1)
4. Anthony Davis (re-entry)
5. Luka Doncic (-1)
6. Jamal Murray (re-entry)
7. Jayson Tatum (+3)
8. Joel Embiid (-1)
9. Devin Booker (+2)
10. Jimmy Butler (+3)
11. Kevin Durant (-5)
12. LeBron James (-7)
13. Kawhi Leonard (+1)
14. Jalen Brunson (new)
15. Ja Morant (-3)
16. Trae Young (-3)
17. Damian Lillard (-2)
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (new)
19. De'Aaron Fox (new)
20. Donovan Mitchell (re-entry)

+ (positions gained)
- (positions lost)


Do you really believe Murray is the sixth best player? I don’t. If there was a hypothetical draft would you take him sixth overall?
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:41 pm

after making the list, i pondered whether i oversold Murray's position. I think he can be as low as 8th, below Tatum and Embiid, but definitely above Booker though, because he just outplayed him and beat him in this playoffs. Murray didn't add to his stock in 2021-22 because of injury, while Tatum and Embiid definitely did. But then Murray already held a lot of stock with me after the bubble and that following regular season before injury struck.

But simply put, what Murray just did in this playoffs run is what Kyrie did for LeBron in the 2016 finals comeback. There's no doubt Jokic is the better player, but Murray's contributions were just as significant. I know it isn't the best advanced stat out there, but Murray overall had the best +/- of this playoffs, think that counts for something. And let's not forget what Warriors did to Jokic and Nuggets last season when Murray wasn't available.

Other player's position i pondered was Trae Young. I wanted to put Dame, Shai and Fox ahead of him because i just believe they are more efficient and effective players than him. But compared to them, at least Trae as constantly made the playoffs these past few seasons and had his fair share of big moments in those playoffs.

In general, you get extra stock with me the better you step up to the stage and raise your game in the playoffs.
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Post by Warrior Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:51 pm

Interesting takes, will post my list once i come back home and then i compare with yours

Perhaps i misundertood your criteria since Murray and Butler are too high (still huge respect to both)

I love that you put Brunson #14 he deserves recognition. Not sure if he'd make my list, but i really enjoy this player, so intelligent, so clean, it's pure basketball. In retrospect letting him go was a disastrous decision by the Mavs.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:38 pm

pound for pound i think Durant, Kawhi and Dame are better players than Butler, but my list is mostly based on accumulated player performance over the past few seasons... and as i said, you get extra stock in my eyes the more you perform in the playoffs, and Jimmy has been one of the best playoff game-raisers in the past few seasons

having said that i do factor in pound for pound abilities as well, that's why i have Davis so high. I think he is pound for pound the best defender in the league, and he showed it this past playoffs. He was the main reason Lakers went so far.

pound for pound, i believe Jamal Murray is the 3rd or 4th best point guard behind Steph, Luka, and (maybe) Dame
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Post by Warrior Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:40 pm

I try to avoid too much of the inevitable recency bias and not sure what to do about injury prone players, of course it can cause them to lose a few ranks but is it really objective to do so in the sense that 1 season without injury can equal a champion title. Guys very injury prone like Davis, Durant, Kawhi proved it before so i have to include them but there is no place in my list for ringless Zion and Paul George. I also remove Kyrie Irving whose main purpose since i follow NBA is to cause mayhem and ruin locker rooms.

Not a lot of importance is given to potential for example i could not find a spot for Edwards, Mobley, Haliburton who can make the list as soon next year.

So in the end, a mix of intrinsic level, mentality, current form, availability, what is already achieved etc... if we had to reset NBA and re-draft my list would be quite different


1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Curry
4. Davis
5. Embiid
6. Durant
7. LeBron
8. Doncic
9. Kawhi
10. Tatum
11. Lillard
12. Booker
13. Young
14. Butler
15. Sabonis
16. SGA
17. DeRozan
18. Mitchell
19. Harden
20. Siakam

While i really like Jamal Murray and his comeback is amazing, there are many point guards whom i believe would have done just as well in the same role

Saved the list, will be interesting to update in a year
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:52 pm

tahhh, can't disagree more on that Jamal statement. Harden for instance has shown time and time again that he shrinks in the playoffs, don't think he would have done what Jamal just did.

Think Fox also proved in the Warriors series he is Kings best player. Sabonis seems to be like one of that regular season flat track bullies that can easily get exposed in the playoffs when teams actually play defense. Of course he still has ample time to prove me wrong.

Same for DeRozan and Siakam, i love them both, but they have proven nothing in the playoffs. Siakam so post-Kawhi.

But agree to disagree of course, personal opinions make discussions much more interesting. Would love to see others' lists.
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Post by Warrior Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:28 pm

Did not know where to put Harden on the list he is the player who moved the most. Feels like he still belongs in a top 20 for the amount of points he's always producing, but i'm not a fan of his game and Murray is a much more likeable player indeed. Anyways he ended up #19 for what it's worth

Well your list is consistent if you value clutch performance this much. I also take it into account but to put it simply i think physical attributes and basketball skills are more reliable than mentality. And perhaps context is even more important than mentality. Every other season you see a guy previously known as not serious or as a choker, and now all of a sudden he's a champion. Jokic good example
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Post by Vibe Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:25 am

Insane stat

Out of the last 13 finals, Warriors or Heat have been in 12. But never met.
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Post by Warrior Fri Jun 16, 2023 4:06 pm

Insane stat: Aaron Gordon has a ring
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Post by Vibe Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:50 pm

Morant gets a 25 game suspension :facepalm: And possibly more...

If I understood correctly, after or during the 25 games he has to show remorse and explain how he got himself in such deep shit, and if they're not happy with how he handles it, he can't return.
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Post by El Gunner Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:26 pm

bullshit... what's wrong with these young boys... Ja can't think for himself, and Zion is banging pornstars and getting hoes pregnant.

Hopefully Ja gets a good counsellor or mentor that guides him successfully through this situation. Would be a waste of wonderful talent.
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Post by Warrior Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:12 pm

25 games for flashing a gun in a country where it's legal. In Tennessee even the concealed carry is allowed. I find the second amendment outdated and stupid but it is what it is.

I get that it's a bad look for the league on paper, in reality it has barely any effect, nobody will blame NBA for whatever Ja Morant does. He's a great player going down a slippery slope. Corporate reptilian Adam Silver should provide him some psychological help during summer with the hope that he starts next season in a better state of mind, instead of bashing him publicly for the sake of an 1000th virtue signaling statement.

Not even denying the fact that Morant is acting like a fool lately, Memphis Three 6 Mafia ambience is getting into his head imo.
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Post by Warrior Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:44 pm

Draymond reportedly testing free agency this summer. End of this dynasty or Curry can still carry a few more years ?

After the title last year they seemed set to keep going for years. Young guys Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman gave hopes of a smooth transition. Now the GM is gone, Draymond probably gone, Wiseman was traded for... Gary Payton II and i read they are also shopping Kuminga not sure why since he's a good player.

What the hell ??
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Post by Vibe Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:39 pm

Dynasty over unless they land a huge player, like Giannis.
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:58 pm

Warrior wrote:Draymond reportedly testing free agency this summer. End of this dynasty or Curry can still carry a few more years ?

After the title last year they seemed set to keep going for years. Young guys Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman gave hopes of a smooth transition. Now the GM is gone, Draymond probably gone, Wiseman was traded for... Gary Payton II and i read they are also shopping Kuminga not sure why since he's a good player.

What the hell ??

ah my friend Warrior, seems like you are not familiar with the Warriors ongoings and Warriors Twitter... there's lots of drama and cap implications with the new CBA rules taking in effect starting next month. Let me try and break it down best.

- Steph wants to have another go with the core (himself, Klay, Dray and Looney). He only believes in them along with Kerr.

- Kerr has made it very clear he also just wants the core, by constantly dismissing the younger timeline idea originally set in motion by Warriors owner Joe Lacob with the Wiseman pick. Kerr has done so by deliberately sabotaging Wiseman and Kuminga (not playing them big minutes and not sacrificing his own play style principles to incorporate their distinct skillsets into their style). The only favouritism Kerr has shown to the youth is towards Poole (because he proved himself big time in 2021/22 and because he received a big contract so it kinda makes it harder to bench him)

- Because of above-mentioned, Draymond opting out of his player option of 28 mil, might mean he wants to renegotiate a new contract on friendlier terms for the team, so that they could build better around the core with free agent acquisitions and trades this offseason. This renegotiation could be for one more year, or multiple. This depends on where Draymond stands on still believing in the core and wanting to add one more ring to their legacy, or whether he wants to take one more final big contract to close out his career. This also depends on whether Lacob still wants to spend big on Draymond.

- So trading Kuminga and Poole for better more experienced fits becomes the next best options if you want to do it the Steph and Kerr way and maximise Steph's late career peak.

- There's also Klay's situation. He is entering the final year of his big contract (48 mil). He has said he wants another big contract, i don't see Lacob doing that. So does he trade him to acquire value in return since we are hard-capped as fuck, or do we let him go for nothing in return after this coming season.

So many big decisions with lots of contributing factors. A lot of the direction will be made clear on draft night this coming Thursday night/Friday morning depending on what we do with our 19th pick and the possibility of trading Kuminga for a higher pick, which could mean we want to package that higher pick along Poole to another team we've already been discussing a possible trade with. Like maybe the Raptors for Siakam or OG.
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Post by Warrior Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:14 am

Draymond's salary in on the bird rights i don't think signing him on a team friendly contract gives you more cap space. Source 2K

Expect a media career soon enough anyways

19th pick is not worth much in a major transaction maybe give Poole + Kuminga + the pick and you can get OG. Sign and trade for VanVleet, why not, as for Siakam i think the Raptors can get a better deal elsewhere. Something with the Blazers revolving around the 3rd pick and Simons for example.
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