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WHICH TWO TEAM WILL PROGRESS ?

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Post by Casciavit Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:59 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:Not willing to out your foot where your mouth is as I thought.
I repeat. We will instantly become more competitive in the CL once we get rid of him. Easily through to the knockouts and no more humiliations. At most going out by 1 goal. And the team he goes to (City or PSG) will be much worse. City wont win the PL with him and the likes of Gundogan, KDB et all will look like pub players.
Willing to bet hotshot?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:04 pm

@danyjr wrote:2 Ronalds and 2 Koemans in the game right now.
2 De Jongs?
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Post by BarcaLearning Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:12 pm

@Casciavit wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:Not willing to out your foot where your mouth is as I thought.
I repeat. We will instantly become more competitive in the CL once we get rid of him. Easily through to the knockouts and no more humiliations. At most going out by 1 goal. And the team he goes to (City or PSG) will be much worse. City wont win the PL with him and the likes of Gundogan, KDB et all will look like pub players.
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What a classic quote as with the many over the years Very Happy
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Post by Myesyats Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 pm

@RealGunner wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:Luuk De Jong is a shambles Laughing

Personal request by Koeman probably, both seem retarded


Guy flopped at every club he went to other than eredevise. No idea how he ended up at barca lmao

I didnt think they could find a worse player than braithwaite. Boy, how wrong was I

hope this was his first and last appearance, or start at least
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:51 pm

playing Bochum or Greuther Fürth is more difficult than this

in fact even our 1st cup round 5th division opponent was more competitive

Barca is history, good riddance
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Post by Perucho21 Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 pm

Subtitle of thread says Bayern Monaco is that intentional hmm
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:20 pm

@Perucho21 wrote:Subtitle of thread says Bayern Monaco is that intentional hmm


It's Italian..
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Post by Perucho21 Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:25 am

Interesting didn't know that
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Post by Clutch Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:52 am

@Casciavit wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:Not willing to out your foot where your mouth is as I thought.
I repeat. We will instantly become more competitive in the CL once we get rid of him. Easily through to the knockouts and no more humiliations. At most going out by 1 goal. And the team he goes to (City or PSG) will be much worse. City wont win the PL with him and the likes of Gundogan, KDB et all will look like pub players.
Willing to bet hotshot?
lmao hotshot

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Post by Doc Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:42 am

I mean, they were probably going to lose to Bayern with Messi there.

Actually they did lost to Bayern with Messi there, 8-2 to be exact. This is an actual improvement lol.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:19 am

So both Pedri and DeJong flopped. Watch them put in a maaterclass against Granada. Overhyped big game flops
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 am

DeJong was the only Barça player doing anything of note Laughing

He can't help the extreme decline in quality around him.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:47 am

If you think that's a good performance then even Ceballos >>>>>. The boy has flopped in every single Clasico too. Like I said, massively overhyped
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:59 am

@halamadrid2 wrote:If you think that's a good performance then even Ceballos >>>>>. The boy has flopped in every single Clasico too. Like I said, massively overhyped


You are not exactly overhyped if you are the best player from a mediocre bunch.

Typical GL hyperbole, where a player is either a GOAT or a sheep.
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Post by Myesyats Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:34 am

Koeman is tactically inept. There was a total disconnect between Pedri, de Jong and Busquets. Going out in a 3-5-2 is synonymous with putting up a white flag. Depay was never going to create anything up front alone, totally alone because Luuk De Jong is like a ghost. We can't attack without the wings, so Koeman's plan was to concede as few as possible and that's it.... he even said after the game "Bayern are better, it is what it is". Just because someone is better at a given moment, doesnt matter we can't bite at all. Going out only to defend is already like accepting a loss.

After the woeful finish to La Liga last season,another embarrassment vs Bayern, I feel like Koeman is hanging by a thread.

This Bayern doesn't have the best players at every position but they're a well structured team. We have quality players too, but our team is so disjointed it's unbelievable. There is no flexibility at all in Koeman's approach. Even mediocre teams can bite but it starts with the coaching and we've been mismanaged for 5 years straight.

You can see by the players he is interested in.... Trying to land every average Dutch guy at Barca. Just an average mindset.

I'd blame Sergi Roberto again, but the fact is when a Bayern player receives the ball in his position, they have 3 passing options. But when Roberto receives the ball, he had 3 whiteshirts in front of him and 0 passing options except to pass back of course. Not enough dynamism but also awful positioning.

Koeman is even more negative, more clueless and more self absorbed than Mourinho. Its quite an achievement
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:40 am

@Lord Spencer wrote:
@halamadrid2 wrote:If you think that's a good performance then even Ceballos >>>>>. The boy has flopped in every single Clasico too. Like I said, massively overhyped


You are not exactly overhyped if you are the best player from a mediocre bunch.

Typical GL hyperbole, where a player is either a GOAT or a sheep.
If you are a great player you stand out even in mediocre team. DeJong has never stood out in a big game. He's been as bad as his colleagues in those games. Is he another one of those players that needs everything to be 100% optimal for him to be WC like he's been hyped up to be. Meh

Imagine Vini was getting flack for not being Ronaldo and Messi morphed in one player in a team that was attacking with max 2 players, and here we are making all sorts of excuses for DeJong
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Post by Myesyats Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:11 am

Some cheeky bastard voted Bayern+Benfica in the poll last night, i see you
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:44 am

@halamadrid2 wrote:
@Lord Spencer wrote:
@halamadrid2 wrote:If you think that's a good performance then even Ceballos >>>>>. The boy has flopped in every single Clasico too. Like I said, massively overhyped


You are not exactly overhyped if you are the best player from a mediocre bunch.

Typical GL hyperbole, where a player is either a GOAT or a sheep.
If you are a great player you stand out even in mediocre team. DeJong has never stood out in a big game. He's been as bad as his colleagues in those games. Is he another one of those players that needs everything to be 100% optimal for him to be WC like he's been hyped up to be. Meh

Imagine Vini was getting flack for not being Ronaldo and Messi morphed in one player in a team that was attacking with max 2 players, and here we are making all sorts of excuses for DeJong

Oh come of it.

De Jong is a non-attacking midfielder, and his contributions will always be influenced by the quality of players around him and the final result. Unlike an attacker, who could still score and look good in a poor team.

Yesterday, he was the only Barca player actually doing his job against one of the strongest teams in the competition. If you actually watched the match and can't see that he played well despite the conditions of the team and the opposite, then I simply don't trust your judgement on the matter.

It's no big fricking surprise that players in a weaker team look worse when play a stronger team.

Also, I don't know why you are strawmanning the conversation by bringing in Vini into the conversation (who plays a completely different position).
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:18 am

What's the point of a player like him then? Wasn't he hyped as the one that could control the midfield and drive the ball forward? And why shouldn't we expect goals from him? He's hardly a DM. I bet Barca could find someone who could do exactly the same things as him costing nothing compared to the 75 frcking million Barca payed for this supposed WC player who can only give WC performances when he has prime Xaviesta beside him. Sorry if my standards are higher than others

I made the Vini comparison to highlight the double standard. People were expecting Vini to be the guy to put in 20 goals despite being only 20 years old, new to Europe and playing for a similar pragmatic coach in Zidane. But he always stuck out in the big games. Never hid even if more often than not his decision making failed him. And here we are telling ourselves that being bang average is ok when you play for a finished team Rolling Eyes
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Post by BarcaLearning Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:11 pm

De Jong is often not the flashy type player, a comparison I would raise is Jorginho. I used to think hes invisible in the games that I watch of Chelsea, only until the Euros I noticed and focused watching him more and then u realize what he does. De Jong at Ajax was mainly a DM purely if Im correct? Hes actually developed alot at Barca into a much more rounded players already.

Vini Im hoping he continues to improve which he has done already, even as a rival fan, such exciting young players are a joy to watch when they play at their max. potential.
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