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Post by titosantill Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:11 am

that sevilla game still pisses me off.

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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:17 pm

One thing ppl dont talk about is how our oppositions now dont have to worry about Messi anymore, so they can commit much more than in the past with the players otherwise having to stay back or crowded out Messi in order to try n nullify him, thats usually like half the team Razz And they had to pack the center n the channels Messi likes. So it means teams get at us more often n in more numbers n in general Razz

The other is we've had terrible luck especially in attack. Losing Messi n Griezmann, n then injuries to Fati/Dembele/Braithwaite, n then Aguero. So we left with just one attack Depay who isnt even a no.9. Thats almost the entire front line. I dont think I've ever seen that b4 to a top team.
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Post by futbol_bill Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:47 pm

BarcaLearning wrote:One thing ppl dont talk about is how our oppositions now dont have to worry about Messi anymore, so they can commit much more than in the past with the players otherwise having to stay back or crowded out Messi in order to try n nullify him, thats usually like half the team Razz And they had to pack the center n the channels Messi likes. So it means teams get at us more often n in more numbers n in general Razz

The other is we've had terrible luck especially in attack. Losing Messi n Griezmann, n then injuries to Fati/Dembele/Braithwaite, n then Aguero. So we left with just one attack Depay who isnt even a no.9. Thats almost the entire front line. I dont think I've ever seen that b4 to a top team.


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Post by Winter is Coming Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Xavi/Koemann struggling with this Barca team just goes to show how great Zizou actually is.

Last season we had a host of injuries to nearly all our regulars. Dani out for most of the season, Ramos out for most of the season, Mendy out for a great part of the season, Varane out for most of the season. Luka, Toni, Casemiro getting injured alot. He was rocking into games with Lucas/Marvin Park at RB, Marvin at RW, Arribas at RW/LW, Gutierrez at LB, Chust at CB, Blanco in midfield and Mariano in attack and still came to within 3 mins of winning the league (wouldve won the league if we weren't robbed against Sevilla) and to the semis of CL. Absolute legend


Modric missed 2 games last season, Kroos missed 5 (2 games due to rest), Casemiro missed 2 games due to covid, Varane missed 8 games and Mendy missed 7 games only Ramos and Dani missed huge chunks. This is nowhere near what Koeman and Xavi dealt with not to mention Zidane still had Benz to score goals while they have Depay Laughing

Even looking at games played Arribas had the most app which was 10 the rest you listed seem to have below 10 apps. Last season Fati 10 apps cut short due to injury early into the season, Moriba had 18 apps, Puig had 24 apps, Araújo had 33 apps, Mingueza 39 apps, Trincão 40 apps and Pedri basically a starter. This season we have Nico and Gavi at 15 plus apperence and they'll be more players like Ezzalzouli being given more minutes. Not even comparable my man. Funny enough Koeman messed himself over last season we were in great form after Jan we had a good system and players comfortable playing but when Pique came back it went to crap when he tried putting him back into the lineup.

Of course this is not to take away from Zidane.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:00 pm

If only Barcelona had a walking player in every game that tied all opposition defense. Now they have to circulate not only one more forward, but everyone has to run more to create as much space. No wonder every attacking player is injured. People really don't have logical understanding how all this works.

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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm



Winter is Coming wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:Xavi/Koemann struggling with this Barca team just goes to show how great Zizou actually is.

Last season we had a host of injuries to nearly all our regulars. Dani out for most of the season, Ramos out for most of the season, Mendy out for a great part of the season, Varane out for most of the season. Luka, Toni, Casemiro getting injured alot. He was rocking into games with Lucas/Marvin Park at RB, Marvin at RW, Arribas at RW/LW, Gutierrez at LB, Chust at CB, Blanco in midfield and Mariano in attack and still came to within 3 mins of winning the league (wouldve won the league if we weren't robbed against Sevilla) and to the semis of CL. Absolute legend


Modric missed 2 games last season, Kroos missed 5 (2 games due to rest), Casemiro missed 2 games due to covid, Varane missed 8 games and Mendy missed 7 games only Ramos and Dani missed huge chunks. This is nowhere near what Koeman and Xavi dealt with not to mention Zidane still had Benz to score goals while they have Depay Laughing

Even looking at games played Arribas had the most app which was 10 the rest you listed seem to have below 10 apps. Last season Fati 10 apps cut short due to injury early into the season, Moriba had 18 apps, Puig had 24 apps, Araújo had 33 apps, Mingueza 39 apps, Trincão 40 apps and Pedri basically a starter. This season we have Nico and Gavi at 15 plus apperence and they'll be more players like Ezzalzouli being given more minutes. Not even comparable my man. Funny enough Koeman messed himself over last season we were in great form after Jan we had a good system and players comfortable playing but when Pique came back it went to crap when he tried putting him back into the lineup.

Of course this is not to take away from Zidane.


Our injury problems were well documented last season. To the point the club opened up an internal investigation on our medical team

There was an article in February that mentioned the huge number of injuries we had last season. It was an embarrassment.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/02/20/6030e25d22601d344e8b45d2.html
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Post by Winter is Coming Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:57 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Our injury problems were well documented last season. To the point the club opened up an internal investigation on our medical team

There was an article in February that mentioned the huge number of injuries we had last season. It was an embarrassment.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/02/20/6030e25d22601d344e8b45d2.html

This was your quote:

Mendy out for a great part of the season, Varane out for most of the season. Luka, Toni, Casemiro getting injured alot.

*These missed games were all taken from whoscored injury history for all these players.*

Modric featured in 48 of 52 games in 2020-2021 (he only missed 2 games via injury related)
Casemiro 46 of 52 games (he missed 2 games, which was down to covid, either he had covid or protocols nothing injury related otherwise)
Kroos 42 of 52 games (missed 5 games, 2 of the games was listed as rest, which I'll assume was probably nursing an injury)

So, missing 2-5 games due to injury is considered a lot?

Then you went on with Mendy and Varane

Mendy 38 out of 52 (missed 8 games due to injury)
Varane 41 out of 52 (missed 8 games due to injury)

This is hardly majority of the season they missed considering they featured 70%-80% of the games.

You may have had injury problems, but you make it out that Zidane used kids for 30% to 50% due to injuries in the season compared to Koeman or Xavi which is false. They are using a lot more kids then Zidane did, and by quite a distance at that.

Blanco, Chust, Duro, Marvin, Gutierrez and Arribas combined for 1072 minutes in 2020-2021 season.

Ansu Fati had 597 minutes (he got injured in Nov of 2020 and missed the rest of the season)
Mingueza had 2796 minutes
Araujo had 2231 minutes
Moriba had 672 minutes (got dropped after he refused to sign a new contract)
Puig had 581 minutes
Trincao had 1309 minutes
Pedri had 3526 minutes

Barcelona unproven kids combined of 11712 minutes VS Madrid unproven kids 1072 minutes. My man Zidane would struggle to make top 4 if your kids played as many minutes as ours like Koeman and Xavi Laughing

I rest my case.
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Post by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:27 am

Winter is Coming wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:Our injury problems were well documented last season. To the point the club opened up an internal investigation on our medical team

There was an article in February that mentioned the huge number of injuries we had last season. It was an embarrassment.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/02/20/6030e25d22601d344e8b45d2.html

This was your quote:

Mendy out for a great part of the season, Varane out for most of the season. Luka, Toni, Casemiro getting injured alot.

*These missed games were all taken from whoscored injury history for all these players.*

Modric featured in 48 of 52 games in 2020-2021 (he only missed 2 games via injury related)
Casemiro 46 of 52 games (he missed 2 games, which was down to covid, either he had covid or protocols nothing injury related otherwise)
Kroos 42 of 52 games (missed 5 games, 2 of the games was listed as rest, which I'll assume was probably nursing an injury)

So, missing 2-5 games due to injury is considered a lot?

Then you went on with Mendy and Varane

Mendy 38 out of 52 (missed 8 games due to injury)
Varane 41 out of 52 (missed 8 games due to injury)

This is hardly majority of the season they missed considering they featured 70%-80% of the games.

You may have had injury problems, but you make it out that Zidane used kids for 30% to 50% due to injuries in the season compared to Koeman or Xavi which is false. They are using a lot more kids then Zidane did, and by quite a distance at that.

Blanco, Chust, Duro, Marvin, Gutierrez and Arribas combined for 1072 minutes in 2020-2021 season.

Ansu Fati had 597 minutes (he got injured in Nov of 2020 and missed the rest of the season)
Mingueza had 2796 minutes
Araujo had 2231 minutes
Moriba had 672 minutes (got dropped after he refused to sign a new contract)
Puig had 581 minutes
Trincao had 1309 minutes
Pedri had 3526 minutes

Barcelona unproven kids combined of 11712 minutes VS Madrid unproven kids 1072 minutes. My man Zidane would struggle to make top 4 if your kids played as many minutes as ours like Koeman and Xavi Laughing

I rest my case.


While we have one of the deepest squads in the league, we HAD to go so far down we couldn't even play our bench because theywere injured too. We had to look for Castilla players and it wasn't a problem, because we were still winning. And our injury list was quite well documented. I haven't counted how long they were out so your stats may very well be true. I always felt like these guys were out for longer. Militao and Nacho for example played nearly every game after the winter break, Varane or Ramos might have come back for a game or two to screw over our momentum but promptly relapsed because they were rushed

You don't even have a long injury list, you just sold off all your starters and thought you could replace them with kids who are all now getting into the NTs ahead of our senior players anyways so they must be great. You are now languishing in 7th, 3 points ahead of Espanyol who are 11th. Never at ANY point last season did that happen to us even when those kids I mentioned were playing. You could say that we still had Benz scoring but our second top scorer last season was a DM with 6 goals, 3 ahead of your perma crooked Fati
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:37 am

Most of our players were playing through injuries, and we had a VERY weak squad overall last season due to the sheer number of injuries.
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Post by Winter is Coming Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:40 am

halamadrid2 wrote:While we have one of the deepest squads in the league, we HAD to go so far down we couldn't even play our bench because they were injured too. We had to look for Castilla players and it wasn't a problem, because we were still winning. And our injury list was quite well documented. I haven't counted how long they were out so your stats may very well be true. I always felt like these guys were out for longer. Militao and Nacho for example played nearly every game after the winter break, Varane or Ramos might have come back for a game or two to screw over our momentum but promptly relapsed because they were rushed

You don't even have a long injury list, you just sold off all your starters and thought you could replace them with kids who are all now getting into the NTs ahead of our senior players anyways so they must be great. You are now languishing in 7th, 3 points ahead of Espanyol who are 11th. Never at ANY point last season did that happen to us even when those kids I mentioned were playing. You could say that we still had Benz scoring but our second top scorer last season was a DM with 6 goals, 3 ahead of your perma crooked Fati

They're may have been a point a week or two were a large group of your players were ruled out due to injury, but that wasn't anything long term, and outside of Ramos and Dani, most played majority of the season, which is why you pushed Atleti and went to the CL semifinal.

The point I'm making is in regards to your comment here:

Xavi/Koeman struggling with this Barca team just goes to show how great Zizou actually is.

It doesn't show how great he was. I mean he had a overall squad that was better at the end, so how does that show how great he was? He didn't languish at the bottom like us now, because the most your kids played in the league last season was a total of 500-700 mins combined many of those mins probably came from when you won certain games comfortably and they were thrown on.

Basically you're above comment is indicating that Zidane with his squad was in the same situation as Koeman and Xavi are with this Barcelona squad you see how silly that sounds right? Because its certainly not true. You said it yourself we solid off many starters, we still have to deal with injuries like Dembele, Pedri and Fati not to Madrid extent last season, but had them with unproven kids being our other options.

Koeman is a average managers and Xavi hasn't proven anything, Zidane is an obvious winner, but again you aren't comparing the same situations.

The funny thing is Koeman may have actually won the league last season, from Jan 2021 in the league our record was 12-0-0 without Pique and with him our record 4-3-3, Koeman finally found something that worked, he then forced Pique back into the line up and our title chance was gone. The last 7 games Pique started for us our record was 2-2-3. Koeman could've beaten Zidane and Simeone to the league if he had the balls to keep Pique on the bench.
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Post by Winter is Coming Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:44 am

FennecFox7 wrote:Most of our players were playing through injuries, and we had a VERY weak squad overall last season due to the sheer number of injuries.


Sure this can we true, but I feel this applies to a lot of clubs. However your squad was still much better then ours and probably better then Atleti as well. My point to Hala is he tried to compare Zidane squad and situation last season to Koeman and Xavi, as I said Koeman is average and Xavi hasn't proven anything, Zidane is an obvious winner, but you can't compare these situation case in point is how well you did last year and how well your doing now as well.
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:03 am

Depay now injured too. Tough for Barca. Coutinho will now have to step up big time
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Post by sportsczy Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:47 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:
FennecFox7 wrote:Most of our players were playing through injuries, and we had a VERY weak squad overall last season due to the sheer number of injuries.


Sure this can we true, but I feel this applies to a lot of clubs. However your squad was still much better then ours and probably better then Atleti as well. My point to Hala is he tried to compare Zidane squad and situation last season to Koeman and Xavi, as I said Koeman is average and Xavi hasn't proven anything, Zidane is an obvious winner, but you can't compare these situation case in point is how well you did last year and how well your doing now as well.


Dude.

Our defense was decimated last season. We had to play guys like Miguel, Vasquez, etc. at fullback in big moments.

The attacks was literally Benzema and the nursery kids. Benzema had 30 goals. Casemiro was next with 7. Think about that for a second. All our other forwards... all of them... had 19 goals combined in all competitions last season other than Benzema.

So in short, we had a castilla level defense I'd say for about 10-15 games, and no scoring other than Benzema.

It was nothing short of a miracle that we competed at all.
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:43 am

Carletto on his way to actually winning a league Proud

Champions League phenom but is worse at leagues than anyone. Will never forget how he basically gave up Milan titles along with his first half year in PSG giving it away to Montpellier.

Brilliant manager regardless and best man manager after Klopp.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:35 am

Arqi... do not speak too soon.  What happens with Carlo is that he plays his top 11 to death and they run on fumes come March.  It would still happen for Madrid.  He's doing it already.

I understand overplaying the CBs and Benzema to some extent. But the midfield? You have Valverde and Camavinga on the bench ffs.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:47 am

I remember in 2015, Kroos publicly complained that he was tired and needed rest Laughing

Carlo loves to run his starting eleven to the ground, unfortunately.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:23 pm

Every time I think my hatred for Atlético has hit the ceiling and can't possibly grow any bigger, the universe smiles at me and says "think again".

You would think a Madrid fan would have Barça as their most hated football club, but no. I have absolutely no hatred for Barça or any other club, except for this despicable team of thugs and their mind-numbingly annoying manager.

I respect what they have achieved in the past decade. I even tip my hat to Simeone for what he has done for them. But I'm fairly certain that I hate everything they stand for with a fiery passion of a thousand suns.

Roflstomp them tomorrow please.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:26 pm

That was quite cruel for Osasuna. They got denied a clear penalty and conceded seconds later from the counter-attack that shouldn't have taken place.

Barça lead 1-2, but I can't say it's deserved.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:43 pm

Im patient with Xavi n the team is playing decent vs a low level team.. but one thing I really hope we will fix in Jan is a striker, fking depressing watching Luuk De Jong, its just fking unacceptable, hes so SHIT Sad
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:59 pm

Osasuna wirh the equiliser
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:02 pm

Loooooool @ Luuk trying to overkick n kicks the air, as expected XD
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:07 pm

When Cou came on for Dembele who actually seemed cramped defending just naturally felt we were gonna concede Razz A draw away arent bad a result for us in this era tbh...
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Post by FennecFox7 Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:17 pm

Carlo is stubborn and will never change. Our XI, like sports said, will get run into the ground. Why is modric and benzema playing; they need rest ffs!

Especially benzema who JUST came back from a pulled hamstring.. ugh
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:34 pm

I just noticed in the classification, they indicate who is in various positions for next year. They show 3 teams in relegation, top 4 for CL, next 2 for Europa and the seventh place for conference league! Lol, right now Barca are just behind Valencia for Conference League!!!!

affraid rofl
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:50 pm

FennecFox7 wrote:Carlo is stubborn and will never change. Our XI, like sports said, will get run into the ground. Why is modric and benzema playing; they need rest ffs!

Especially benzema who JUST came back from a pulled hamstring.. ugh


You guys should relax a bit. This is last tough game until February plus there is a 2 week break coming up after next weekend’s game!
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Post by Mamad Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:52 pm

Thugletico players are masters of the dirty antics.
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