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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:02 pm

Arteta should have never gone away from the 343 formation. It may not be ideal, or serve for a brand of attacking football. But let's be honest he has no brand of attacking football. We were stable defensively in that formation, and players seemed to know their role, and even if they as players are limited in certain aspects, they at least worked hard. We could have turned ourselves into a counter attacking team because players like Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Pepe, Auba (i would like to think he still has some lol) they all have pace and can outrun defenders. Even Lonkoga now seems like a good passer at the base of the midfield, he could have helped play those long balls and decisive passes in behind defenses.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:05 pm

Arteta should just have gone away.

He's a horrible manager and the Arsenal team were completely outclassed by Chelsea and could never get near them.

He did a terrible job in setting this game up, he's doing a terrible job overall.
Because he's not a good manager.

WHY IS HE STILL IN THE JOB
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Post by AnJl Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:42 pm

We are crying for a box to box midfielder. So many times our attacks were so predictable and the center of the Chelsea team had it easy
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Post by silver Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:43 pm

Too late to go back to a 3-4-3. We have too many players who's best position is in the front 3, and no wing-backs.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:00 pm

maybe too late for him, sure, like i said he never should have gone away from it for his own good... but his head will probably see the chopping block soon anyway

i think we can pull off a 343 though... Didn't White play in that formation too at Brighton... He and Gabriel would be suited to that system by having the comfort a more conservative defender. Who that will be heading forward will might become a problem, but i feel Holding is good enough to hold down that position in between them for now.

Tierney could play LWB and is LCB cover as well (granted if he is fit, which seems like he never is for long Rolling Eyes ). Nuno Tavarez looks like an attacking minded player too that can fit into a LWB option.
As for RWB? last chance to make a career for himself for AMN? i doubt his commitment, but i mean how worse would Cedric and Chambers be in that position as compared to their current back 4 RB role?

The base of the midfield is covered with Partey, Lokonga and Xhaka as sub option. Too many options for front 3 shouldn't be a problem... whoever works hardest and is in form starts... That's what teams like Chelsea, City and Liverpool do... Firmino is seeing the bench these days, Werner is gunna see more of the bench this season, Ziyech and Pulisic are hardly getting any big minutes anymore... etc etc etc

the only real problem will probably be fitting in Odegaard


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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:00 pm

if we somehow get Conte he will probably play that formation anyway
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Post by mani88 Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:27 am

Prime example of an Elite coach is Galtier. He made Pepe world class player just buy his tactics which we know he isnt. He beat PSG to the title with a team which didnt have any acclaimed WC player. This season he battered his champion team 4-0 with his new team.

A manager can uplift his squad by playing the right way. Renieri was an example in the PL. Losing and accepting that opposing team was way good was champions blah blah, then why turn up to play if you know that you arent at that level.

Arteta has done nothing to patch up our weaknesses. We are still weak in the air(both attack and defence). Cant put money on any player to beat an opponent one on one consistently. Our LB attacks alot leaving empty space behind him eveyone knows this and utilizes this space to create goals. No one passes the ball to CF (until he drops deep) so opposing CBs can cover their spaces easily and so much more.
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Post by Jay29 Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:20 pm

I mentioned before the Brentford game that the team's been working on its pressing and showed a clear intent to defend higher up the pitch. Well, that "press" was brutally exposed by Chelsea and Arteta's lack of solutions was damning. If it was a case of not having the correct personnel on the day (two plodders at centre back, for example) then the high press should never have been the approach in the first place.

Arsenal's problems were:

1) Saka's positioning. Attempting to block Azpilicueta's pass into Jorginho while being too far away to press Azpilicueta left him in a useless narrow position where he couldn't cover Tierney.

2) Pepe often too narrow in his positioning, so Kovacic just had to step to the side to be a free man plus he's too far away to press Rudiger. By the time he got to Rudiger he was easy to bypass.

3) Lokonga trying to make up numbers by supporting the front four but ending up in a redundant position near Pepe and being isolated from Xhaka. Which then meant Xhaka couldn't cover the left flank otherwise there'd be nobody central.

So Chelsea would play round Pepe and Lokonga on the left, then either play the ball straight through the unguarded centre to Lukaku's feet for him to pin the two centre backs, or switch to the right flank where Tierney would have an impossible dilemma of ignoring James or ignoring Mount. The only time he could cover James is if Xhaka covered Mount, but if he did that the middle was unprotected and Lukaku got an easy pass.

Arsenal couldn't touch Chelsea because they were too stretched vertically and nobody, not least Arteta, had an answer. There had to be an acceptance that the press wasn't working and to then retreat into a mid block, which is defending 101. But Arsenal continued with a poor press without any of the rewards. The strategy on the day was very poor, to say the least.

The Arteta experiment is heading towards failure and the reported five games he has to turn things around feel redundant (the Covid mess pre Brentford has given him more time, I think), because we've seen enough evidence to know it's just not gonna work out. It shouldn't take this long to find a working plan for this squad, especially now he's been backed with a significant summer outlay and has gotten the players he wanted. When I see a lack of attacking ideas and a lack of a cohesive defensive strategy that isn't sit back and hope, I have to wonder about his coaching abilities.

If Arsenal can't get an elite coach in (which is likely, let's be honest) then they need someone experienced who can coach a press. Arsenal are about a decade overdue on being able to press properly.

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Post by silver Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:14 am

Chelsea's formation was ideal against this Arsenal. Given Arsenal can only play down the flanks and Chelsea outnumbered us there. Anyone could see and predict it.
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Post by Jay29 Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:46 pm

The briefings have already started btw.

Times and the Athletic reporting the mood at the club has changed and that more poor results before the 2nd international break could see a change.

An Independent report today said Arteta was being a called a "mini Arsene" because he has full control over transfers and the coaches, comes across as "arrogant" and a "know it all", has "strong-armed" the board into signing certain players and puts on training sessions described as "subbuteo" for how clean they are.

The Mirror have gone the other way by saying Arteta is safe but Edu is under serious pressure now.

The image I'm getting is Arteta has won many people at the club over by talking a good game and has grown in authority far too quickly. Remember, he was "promoted" from head coach to manager after the FA Cup win, given more powers despite the club's attempts to move away from such a model since Wenger left. The lack of authority and expertise at board level left a power void for someone to fill; it so happens an inexperienced coach has filled it.

It's a troubling situation for many reasons. If/when Arteta is sacked, the new manager will have the same problems with missing expertise at executive level.

In short, the Amazon documentary is going to be fire.

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Post by Jay29 Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:08 pm

Anyway, another game tonight. Woo.

Ramsdale; Tavares, Chambers, Holding, Kolasinac; Elneny, Xhaka; Pepe, Odegaard, Saka; Aubameyang

Subs: Leno, Mari, AMN, Sambi, ESR, Martinelli, Lacazette

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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:11 pm

Starting the first 11 in the League Cup 2nd round, Jesus fucking Christ

he's not only under pressure, he's also a coward
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:16 pm

first time i've heard of subbuteo ffs
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Post by Jay29 Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:21 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Starting the first 11 in the League Cup 2nd round, Jesus fucking Christ

he's not only under pressure, he's also a coward

He really, really cannot afford to be knocked out by a relegated team in the 2nd round.

The Carabao Cup is a potential route into Europe.

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Post by Jay29 Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:49 pm

Two from Auba, one from Pepe. Arsenal completely dominating the game.

WBA playing their B team and kids and a very high line, btw. Couldn't be easier for Arsenal.

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Post by RealGunner Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:50 pm

I wish we had Azeez on the bench at least.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:50 pm

Saka looks really sharp which is good to see.
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Post by 6unner Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:06 pm

Wish I could actually say that they looked like they could be someone other than a championship b team.

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Post by Jay29 Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:33 pm

6-0 now. Auba hat-trick, Saka, Laca now on the scoresheet.

It's a weak WBA team playing openly but hey, can only beat what's in front of us and it does the confidence some good. I'll enjoy this until Saturday at least.

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Post by RealGunner Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:00 pm

Yea at least it was enjoyable to see us scoring more than 1 goal.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:28 pm

pity i didn't watch because it might end up being the most positive performance from us within the next 3 months or so

anyway, AFC Wimbledon in the 3rd round at the Emirates
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Post by mani88 Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:45 am

Result is what that matters they say. The same will matter in the next match against City. Auba made a case for him playing upfront. But midfield was afforded too much time on the ball so even elneny was playing through balls Laughing

My heart says to believe that we have turned the tide but my mind is just laughing.
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Post by Jay29 Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:49 pm

Some reports recently about Qatari interest in buying Arsenal.

I haven't seen UK sources pick up on it so I don't know how serious it is. You'd have to think the Kroenke's would take any bid from them more seriously than Ek's.

Can't say I'd be very supportive of it but what can I do?

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Post by El Gunner Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:27 pm

fck it, the world's a lost cause anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
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Post by RealGunner Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:32 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Some reports recently about Qatari interest in buying Arsenal.

I haven't seen UK sources pick up on it so I don't know how serious it is. You'd have to think the Kroenke's would take any bid from them more seriously than Ek's.

Can't say I'd be very supportive of it but what can I do?


I am the same boat. I have always liked Arsenal being self-sufficient and would rather continue being this way than just become another Man City. However, premier league is most likely headed the way of billionaires buying clubs due to how much money there is to make and the popularity.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:48 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Some reports recently about Qatari interest in buying Arsenal.

I haven't seen UK sources pick up on it so I don't know how serious it is. You'd have to think the Kroenke's would take any bid from them more seriously than Ek's.

Can't say I'd be very supportive of it but what can I do?


Isn't that from the guy @ES told us about in the Mbappe thread? Some BS tweeting clown from the Qatari royal family?
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