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Post by Freeza Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:41 pm

Not really devil’s advocate as much as wrong.

Gasol was great last season. He’s washed, but washed compared to his old self. He’s still a valuable role player in the league.

Ariza is really the only one who’s truly suspect.

33 isn’t old. Not in this league for a 3 point shooter lol.

Also THT has shown more in the playoffs than plenty players lol. He’s clearly a big talent. Also he’s 20. When is lack of playoff moments a valid critique for someone younger than most people drafted two years after him.

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Post by Vibe Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:28 pm

@CBarca wrote:I'll play devils advocate:

Gasol - washed
Melo - washed
Ariza - washed
Dwight - average
Nunn - slightly above average
Monk - slightly above average
THT - Has shown very little in playoffs or even the regular season, and not a shooter
Ellington - Old/inconsistent career...I won't even try to evaluate this dude, but generally just been a decent shooter who offers nothing else
Russ - Needs a spacing center to be maximally effective, which AD only kind of is, and Gasol won't play much, and Dwight isn't at all
Bazemore - I have nothing to say about him

Plus, this group as a whole are not made of defensive grit, intensity, and most importantly ability.

Lakers aren't dumb, the thing I'm leaving out when I play devils advocate is that while I really don't rate these players very highly, they are good shooters. The construction to surround AD/LeBron with shooters has already worked once and it may work again.

Now I'm just playing devil's advocate. I think these are generally good hauls. Getting Monk and Nunn are fantastic gets, in general. However I'm sincere in that I'm not sure I rate this squad all that highly.


Them being washed is irrelevant. No one signed them for what they used to be, they are signed for what they can contribute with their current ability.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:45 pm

i get where CB is coming from tbh :coffee: an 80% Klay of his old self, a decent Wiseman that contributes both sides of the floor and Wiggins making his corner 3s will be enough to clean up the piss off the floor left behind by the Leakers
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Post by CBarca Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:40 pm

It's not a criticism of THT, it's just my evaluation. He hasn't shown anything yet. That doesn't mean he won't, but he hasn't yet. I don't think he will, but I'm wrong all the time.

@vibe sure but what they are right now isn't very good. Again let me be clear, on vet mins I would take Gasol, Melo and maybe even Ariza. However I wouldn't say they're good players. In the same way that I don't hate getting Rodney Hood on a vet min, but as he is...he's not a very good player.

I'd be surprised if any of those three manage to meaningfully contribute more than 10 mins a game in the playoffs.

This Lakers team is gonna have a tight rotation come playoffs imo (and they should! When you see the salary the team is playing out OF COURSE it's gonna be a tight rotation). I'm trying to push against the narrative that this team is deep. Which I'm not saying people here are saying, but I'm seeing a lot of hype over players who...i don't get the hype over. The question is, who from that group is gonna emerge to be a guy who can contribute 30+ meaningful minutes in the playoffs? Nunn is my guess. Maybe Ellington.

@EG don't even start, this Lakers team is miles above the warriors lol
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:46 pm

just wait and see, my friend, you'll be surprised
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Post by Warrior Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:26 pm

LeBron, Davis and Westbrook need to carry that team hard. I think they will. Anthony, Nunn and Monk is decent secondary scoring. Howard/Gasol good veterans but how many minutes those guys can take ??

Ariza, Bazemore, Ellington they are bad. Terrible rotation for this position. Although LeBron can play 3 and Davis/Anthony/Ariza rotate 4. And other players will be signed

So i think Lakers will be a strong contender as long as nobody from the star trio is injured. This team is not deep by any means, less than last year even.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:57 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:If memory serves you won the first 2 and i won the next two.

Then you ran from the ass whooping.

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Freeza beat me in my quest for the 3 peat and i then ran from my ass whooping

I won before? Laughing

Well sounds like I got out at the wrong time if Freeza prevented the 3peat.
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Post by Warrior Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:05 pm

How can you have won FANTASY and not know it

I will laminate my box scores if i ever win the final

El G probably has it written on his resume
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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:07 pm

@Warrior wrote:How can you have won FANTASY and not know it

I will laminate my box scores if i ever win the final

El G probably has it written on his resume

Laughing Im dying.

In my defence, it was like 8 years ago. Its not much of a defence but it is all I have.
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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:12 pm

On the FA shake up.

I think Mills is a good pick up for the Nets, with Blake returning, its not like they needed much else.

Lakers is interesting. I know its an old team which is subject to alot of players being way past their best but I think in the playoff's, that experience is better than youth who dont know how to play. For example, I think come playoffs time someone like Nunn will be barely play in big moments but someone like Ariza or Howard, will have a significant 5-10 minutes to win a game.

My problem is Westbrook. He simply isnt a winning player. Doesnt even try on defence, cant shoot yet shoots too much and I dont know what he does if he is relegated to shooting 12 times a game and not stat padding rebounds and assists. So I dont see how that will happen, he will always get his numbers somehow but what will that do for the Lakers?
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:43 am

Trey Murphy looked really good in Summer League (like way too good for Summer League type of good)

I'm excited to watch Zion and Bi not be forced to play in a phonebox this year even if the FO made some admittedly stupid decisions in FA.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:03 am

Kuminga and Moody look good too. No surprises by Moody tbh, but Kuminga looks really nice tbh. The raw talent is clear to see, but was surprised by how smooth he already is. His burst of pace, coupled with built and athleticism is freaky good (think shades of LeBron and Giannis moving downhill). He is only 18, so imagine what he could like when he reaches full body weight by 25. Looks good defensively as well. His 3ball will probably be his biggest problem throughout his career, but man if he just stays on course and develops in every other aspect he is looking good for the future.

Suggs is just gunna be a star man, i've already said long ago before the draft he's my favourite player out of this draft. You can already see though Cole Anthony's raggedy ass fucking up a few last minute plays for the Magic this season when the ball should clearly be in Suggs' hands.

How nice must it be for Rockets getting Alperen Sengun at #16 too after landing Jalen Green. Surprised Spurs didn't take Sengun, because he's their type of player - smart and savvy.

Cade had a slow start in his opener.
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Post by Warrior Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:54 am

I was sure the Hornets would take Sengun tbh

Anyways, Schroder signs 5.9M/1 year with the Celtics rofl that's what you call a discount
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:02 am

so far Pistons have been taking turns with Cunningham and Hayes handling at the top of the key... wonder how long that will last

meanwhile Chris Duarte is puuuuure with the shot... has already made 3 end of quarter buzzer beater 3s in two summer league games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4345Kap7vuQ
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Post by The Franchise Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:28 am

@El Gunner wrote:

How nice must it be for Rockets getting Alperen Sengun at #16 too after landing Jalen Green. Surprised Spurs didn't take Sengun, because he's their type of player - smart and savvy.

Im going to steal Bill Simmons take on this, because I felt the same way. It was almost like the Spurs didnt take him simply because it would have been the Spurs thing to do and they just wanted to zig when everyone thought they would zag.

Though this Primo guy they got does look good too tbf.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:17 pm

Zach Lowe really didn't watch us at all last season.

In his article today he was saying we won't improve and cited Adams and Bledsoe as reasons why.

I don't want to be too harsh on Adams (Valenciunas is clearly better tho) but Bledsoe was literally our worse player last season and was literally an anchor around Zion's neck.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:23 pm

well about the only difference will be that Graham and Jonas will hit a few more threes
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:39 pm

@El Gunner wrote:well about the only difference will be that Graham and Jonas will hit a few more threes


I mean both are clear talent/fit upgrades compared to Adams/Bledsoe.

It's not particularly close, to argue that losing Adams/Bledsoe as a negative is a pretty stupid thing for someone who is paid to write about basketball to say.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:47 pm

yea i agree, Zach Lowe is usually a good analyst, but that's a pretty dumb take. Graham/Jonas is younger and better, but it's not that much of a drastic improvement. Graham needs to minimise his ballhogging, and mainly feed off Zion and BI's plays.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:02 pm

Based on what i saw last season it is quite drastic, that says more about how bad Bledsoe was and to a lesser extent Adams tho.

For me this teams success will depend a lot on how good NAW is, the Front Office basically made the Zo decision a year ago because they believe in him.

If you're gonna talk about the Pelicans and not include him as a major part of the discussion then it proves to me you (as in Lowe) haven't been paying attention.

If he sucks we probably will, but the team has made that bet quite obviously and we'll see what will happen.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:04 pm

To be clear like everyone else i still think our Free Agency sucked lol.

But two things can be true, our Free Agency can be bad and the team can also be better than it was last year.
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Post by Warrior Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:10 pm

My guy got screwed big time

Build a family with an instathot, what was he thinking :facepalm:

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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:42 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Based on what i saw last season it is quite drastic, that says more about how bad Bledsoe was and to a lesser extent Adams tho.

For me this teams success will depend a lot on how good NAW is, the Front Office basically made the Zo decision a year ago because they believe in him.

If you're gonna talk about the Pelicans and not include him as a major part of the discussion then it proves to me you (as in Lowe) haven't been paying attention.

If he sucks we probably will, but the team has made that bet quite obviously and we'll see what will happen.

dude why are you always trying to be confrontational Laughing
NAW is a nice shooter, a good young potential role player so far that i agree could end up averaging a decent amount of points if he stays fit and continues to develop.. but somehow you are mad that i somehow didn't bring him up in a discussion which revolved around Bledsoe/Adams and Graham/Jonas.

scapegoating Bledsoe for your team's badly coached and lack of clear identity on both sides of the court is poor overall analysis. You need to hold your coaching staff and other players more accountable. Graham and Jonas are useful players, but yea you are overstating it if you think the improvement will be "drastic".

Of course you are allowed to be optomistic about your team heading into the new season like we all are with our own teams, but i will be here to tell you i told you so if the team ends up being dysfunctional again and has another poor or below-par season.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:49 pm

@Warrior wrote:My guy got screwed big time

Build a family with an instathot, what was he thinking :facepalm:

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and all of us on the Twittersphere called that this would happen when they first hooked up Laughing Young blood thought he scored bigtime by catching a fish which has been dug out by many ballers in and around the game... and now he slipped up by leaving his nut in her. I blame his agent, the older men in his circle and the vets on his team... they should have schooled him better.
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Post by Warrior Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:29 pm

After digging up. It seems the "black twitter" community was aware who she is. Wrote a book about using men for personal gain etc. Embarassing for him and definitely should known better

But seriously... how can it cost 200k a month to feed a baby and buy diapers ? Why this lady is given so much money ? More like she will buy Dior purses and Hilfiger dress

It's not like Washington is a generational talent whose guaranteed to play decades in the league. The punishment is brutal and imo unfair
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:07 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Based on what i saw last season it is quite drastic, that says more about how bad Bledsoe was and to a lesser extent Adams tho.

For me this teams success will depend a lot on how good NAW is, the Front Office basically made the Zo decision a year ago because they believe in him.

If you're gonna talk about the Pelicans and not include him as a major part of the discussion then it proves to me you (as in Lowe) haven't been paying attention.

If he sucks we probably will, but the team has made that bet quite obviously and we'll see what will happen.

dude why are you always trying to be confrontational Laughing
NAW is a nice shooter, a good young potential role player so far that i agree could end up averaging a decent amount of points if he stays fit and continues to develop.. but somehow you are mad that i somehow didn't bring him up in a discussion which revolved around Bledsoe/Adams and Graham/Jonas.

scapegoating Bledsoe for your team's badly coached and lack of clear identity on both sides of the court is poor overall analysis. You need to hold your coaching staff and other players more accountable. Graham and Jonas are useful players, but yea you are overstating it if you think the improvement will be "drastic".

Of course you are allowed to be optomistic about your team heading into the new season like we all are with our own teams, but i will be here to tell you i told you so if the team ends up being dysfunctional again and has another poor or below-par season.


First of all i wasn't being confrontational, i was just offering a viewpoint lol.

Secondly NAWs shooting is arguably the worst aspect of his overall game lol, Lonzo is a better shooter than he is.

I'm not scapegoating at all, he was that bad and the fact you think I'm scapegoating leads me to believe you really weren't paying attention.

Dunno why the feel you the need to tell me the potential of another disappointing season either. I'm very much aware of it lol, me believing that Graham and Valenciunas are upgrades over Bledsoe/Adams corpses shouldn't really be met with such resistance lol.

The Drastic part says more about how bad they were, then how good the incoming players are.

The fact it is tells me as much as you appreciate Lowe's takes being very ignorant you still don't really fully understand how bad Bledsoe especially was.


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