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Post by Freeza Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:37 pm

@El Gunner wrote:i'm pretty sure i didn't imply otherwise, but whatever
has it actually been confirmed that Paul tested positive?


Pretty sure it's against rules to disclose it, which might be why not a lot of reporters have confirmed it. And the phrase "Health protocols" etc. is basically code for tested positive. But a very reputable Suns reporter confirmed he did indeed test positive.

He's vaccinated, so it's possible he only misses 1, max 2 games. Since a typical covid case on a vaccine is much shorter. Gleiber Torres of the Yankees got Covid and was ready to play in 7 days.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:22 am

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@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Believe me as a Pelicans fan i know what bad defense looks like Laughing


The coach is just so important for a defense, which is why Pelicans continue to be shit in that area.

We had an above average defense under Luke fucking Walton with the players you've got. Yet nothing there.

Meanwhile Frank Vogel manages to have the league's best defense without any all defense players on it. Alex Caruso got most votes and it's was like what, 3?

Really hope you pick someone defensively sound. Can't see the points not coming naturally when Zion's on the court, especially with his ridiculous touch in the paint.


Sure but isn't that what Van Gundy was supposed to do?

Didn't help our point of attack defense was arguably the worst in the league last year, like any Guard worth his salt dropped 40+ on our heads.
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Post by Freeza Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:25 am

Turns out. Prime Dwight Howard really was THAT good
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:32 am

I don't think that's fair, he's had a top 10 defense at every stop not just Orlando lol.

Like most things for this season I'm gonna blame Bledsoe tbh.
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Post by Winter is Coming Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:32 am

76ers lose by 3 and Simmons goes 4/14 from the FT line Laughing
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Post by CBarca Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:44 am

Sixers were up by 25...
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Post by Winter is Coming Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:48 am

@CBarca wrote:Sixers were up by 25...


Up by 17 in the last game too and lost Laughing
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Post by CBarca Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:03 am

I was wrong btw, up 26.

These playoffs got me feeling like I'm bipolar. One day I'm depressed about the bucks being perennial chokers, the next I'm elated because the sixers are somehow even worse

(Although I actually don't care enough about bball to get properly depressed, dont worry)
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Post by Art Morte Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:53 am

@Winter is Coming wrote:76ers lose by 3 and Simmons goes 4/14 from the FT line Laughing


The 76ers have lost games in this series by 4, 3 and 3 points. In those losses Simmons's free throws were 3/10, 1/5 and now 4/14.

Philadelphia basically win / get overtime in at least two of those games if Simmons was even an average ft shooter.
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Post by El Gunner Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:24 am

i think blowing large leads is more of a concern than Simmons' FT%

also if Hawks win this series, can we please stop pretending that Doc Rivers is still a top coach
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:18 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@Freeza wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Believe me as a Pelicans fan i know what bad defense looks like Laughing


The coach is just so important for a defense, which is why Pelicans continue to be shit in that area.

We had an above average defense under Luke fucking Walton with the players you've got. Yet nothing there.

Meanwhile Frank Vogel manages to have the league's best defense without any all defense players on it. Alex Caruso got most votes and it's was like what, 3?

Really hope you pick someone defensively sound. Can't see the points not coming naturally when Zion's on the court, especially with his ridiculous touch in the paint.

Do you buy into the old-new school arguement. That being SVG is just too tough and old school and these modern players cant take it?

I say this to say, I know SVG is one of the very best coaches with X and O's so I refuse to believe its that.


Sure but isn't that what Van Gundy was supposed to do?

Didn't help our point of attack defense was arguably the worst in the league last year, like any Guard worth his salt dropped 40+ on our heads.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:20 am

76ers :facepalm:

I want to root for them, just because I like their players, but my lord, what the hell.

Dont even know what to say at this point. This series should already be over.

Also, gotta give Wayoff P his due today, he came to play and did a great job. I dont trust him so we will see about game 6 and/or 7.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:53 am

@The Franchise wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@Freeza wrote:


The coach is just so important for a defense, which is why Pelicans continue to be shit in that area.

We had an above average defense under Luke fucking Walton with the players you've got. Yet nothing there.

Meanwhile Frank Vogel manages to have the league's best defense without any all defense players on it. Alex Caruso got most votes and it's was like what, 3?

Really hope you pick someone defensively sound. Can't see the points not coming naturally when Zion's on the court, especially with his ridiculous touch in the paint.

Do you buy into the old-new school arguement. That being SVG is just too tough and old school and these modern players cant take it?

I say this to say, I know SVG is one of the very best coaches with X and O's so I refuse to believe its that.


Sure but isn't that what Van Gundy was supposed to do?

Didn't help our point of attack defense was arguably the worst in the league last year, like any Guard worth his salt dropped 40+ on our heads.


I don't personally, i just feel like there was too many things working against him.

Implementing actual defensive principles and teaching them how to win during a pandemic was always a tough ask.

It didn't help that the roster itself was badly built, whomever the next coach is will need to be supported much better.

They need to get this right tho, they can't afford to fuck this up.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:56 am

On Non Pelicans stuff.

I'm all the way out on Ben Simmons, i don't care how good he is defensively the dude makes Draymond look like MJ on the offensive side.

I genuinely would trade him.

Also I'm happy for Paul George, people really hate him tho. They were damn quiet on twitter last night lol.

You know people are haters when they're loud as fuck when someone sucks and when they're actually good they're quiet as a mouse.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:32 pm

I have always been out on Simmons if we think he will be an elite player.

As soon as I realised he is shooting jumpers with the wrong hand and refuses to change, it was doomed.

I see him as a Lamar Odom. Auxiliary, utility player who can do alot of different things but too flawed to ever lead a team.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:37 pm

Another thing, I dont know if we mentioned this before.

But what do we think about Giannis not guarding KD at all?

Is this a knock on him?

I dont buy the "coach tells me what to do" nonsense.
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Post by El Gunner Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:46 pm

Giannis is a beta, simple as
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:07 pm

Am i going insane or didn't Giannis guard KD in the first two games and got cooked lol? I just figured they went away from it because he doesn't have the lateral movement defensively to guard him effectively.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:13 pm

In spots, but not consistently and I was more talking about game 5 because he was only on him for 2 possessions. Both of which didnt end in score but KD got whatever he wanted tbf.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think he or even Holiday can do anything with him. But just from a pride stand point id expect Giannis to take him, especially as he doesnt need to "save himself" for offence, the way he plays.

Coaching wise, Bud is messing up. Tucker doesnt give you anything on offence so one legged Harden can stand around "guarding" him meanwhile Tucker isnt effective on KD without fouling.

Might aswell put another offensive player out there and have Giannis take KD and get cooked no worse than Tucker would.
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Post by CBarca Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:18 pm

Giannis guarded KD a decent amount the first and second game. He has occasionally switched on him in games 3 and 4 when a switch is required, but didn't guard him often.

I think Mole is right here. Giannis is an incredible defender, but KD is a step too quick for him, and Giannis is too big to fight over screens the way Middleton, Tucker, or Jrue are able to. Giannis could and should occasionally switch onto KD, and I don't have the stats, but the eye test is that Giannis hasn't done a very good job on KD

Giannis is amazing as a help defender too, so this is a situation where he's probably better utilized as help than as primary defender on KD, especially since he needs to be the main man on offense.

I'm not personally too fussed about it. I think the screens are a big part of it. With Butler, Giannis could go under all day and just destroy Butler's gameplan of getting to the hoop and bait him into midranges. With KD, Giannis can't go under, and KD's midrange is way, way, way better than Butlers. Huge difference between guarding those two.
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Post by CBarca Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:23 pm

Simmons is a true beta. I've been out on Simmons for a long time.

It was true in college and it's true in the NBA. He doesn't really care about improving much. He's extremely happy with who he is and doesn't think he needs to change for anyone. Dude is getting paid and living the life. Props to him, but if I were a sixers fan I'd want him gone.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:32 pm

For that same reason, I dont think he can guard him. He cant navigate screens and even straight iso, KD can go by him, so Giannis gives him room, but then KD can get him to bite on the cross still.

Not a big deal, but I always find it strange that on crucial moments, the best player isnt trying to take the other teams best player when nothing else is working.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:53 pm

Oh for sure, I'm just not sure it helps much. If anything they're better off saying one man isn't gonna beat us than anyone individual taking up the challenge 1 v 1.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:55 pm

Still not sure why Jrue/Middleton wasn't going at Harden, the man can barely move.

I think that's a more obvious (likely successful adjustment) than anything related to KD.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:23 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Oh for sure, I'm just not sure it helps much. If anything they're better off saying one man isn't gonna beat us than anyone individual taking up the challenge 1 v 1.

Agree but with Harden out there, I am seeing Holiday not give help off him because he is still a threat. Therefore, KD is playing 4v4 with so much more space. I dont think they can try and take everyone else away unless Harden and Kyrie are off the floor. Them playing, even banged up, is creating havoc.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:24 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Still not sure why Jrue/Middleton wasn't going at Harden, the man can barely move.

I think that's a more obvious (likely successful adjustment) than anything related to KD.


They did a little but with Tucker out there, Harden had alot of posessions hiding out, not having to work much.
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