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Post by farfan Wed 21 Apr - 15:08

@Casciavit wrote:Thoughts on Zidane refusing to give his opinion compared to an activist like Sir Pep who heavily shat on it? Klopp somewhat disapproved of it too, but he seemed more concerned about Neville's comments than the actual thing. Laughing


Knowing Pep, he probably had solid insider knowledge confirming City were out before he opened his mouth to soak in all the praise. Laughing We know for a fact the guy is not above taking dirty money or working with unscrupulous characters.

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Post by Chad31 Wed 21 Apr - 16:16

Flo went about it wrong trying to turn euro footy into American sports format, was always gonna be a tough sell especially when the founders can't be relegated, that what ruined this plan, tbh I didn't mind other than the obvious greed and the lack of true competition, it would be an interesting watch to see what's what and settle alot of league vs league debates, but that about it tbh.

The real issue that wages and transfer fee are getting ridiculous, if real madrid really can't afford haaland or mbappe so what? Who cares there is probably some random nobody like how haaland was before the hype is around so just try to develop them.

Props to Flo for sticking to his ideas, even if there trash he gets right sometimes and I'm sure this idea is gonna come up again and at that time no one is gonna be able to stop them post covid.

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Post by sportsczy Wed 21 Apr - 16:31

@The Madrid One wrote:It's sad to see Perez live right now on "El Larguero." This is starting to look like a David Lynch film, the poor man is senile and I feel great pity.

He sounds like Donald Trump.
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Post by Winter is Coming Tue 13 Jul - 8:50

A leaked audio of his from 2006

Florentino Perez (leaked, 2008): "Iker Casillas is like a little dog that you take out for a walk. A puppet, so childish."

Florentino Perez (2006, leaked): "Casillas, poor guy, he's really short, he can't see well, and you can tell when he's doing well with his girlfriend or not, he's like a little puppet, a little boy."

Leaked audio of Florentino Perez in 2006: "Beckham is a good guy, really smart too. He gets 30M per year, Ronaldo Nazario too, Zidane gets 25M. And then there's Raul, who doesn't sell anything, man, nothing, not even a shirt, he has no media value."
Leaked audio of Florentino Perez in 2006: "Players are selfish. You can't count on them for anything. I have a horrible image of footballers, horrible, horrible. I've seen lots of things in my life, but I've never see anything like footballers, man.

Florentino Perez (2006, leaked): "Raúl is bad, he believes that Madrid is his. Him and his agent. He's one of the reasons I left, he's the culprit. He's destroying Madrid, the morale of the players, everything. It's terrible what a bad kid he is."

Florentino Perez (2006, leaked): "Remember the Clasico where we were playing the title? Casillas came late to training on Friday, because he was talking to his girlfriend. What a joke, man!

Florentino Perez (2008, leaked): "That girl, Sara Carbonero, Casillas' girlfriend, I don't trust her one bit. You know that type of girls, they go crazy for fame and money. That girl thinks she's a movie star."

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Post by Harmonica Tue 13 Jul - 8:53

What ther hell is this? Like, that's awfully disturbing. No, not awfully, but probably most disturbing thing ever. silent

Psychopath is controlling uefa. affraid
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Tue 13 Jul - 8:59

When I saw the article on Marca this morning, I immediately thought of Nick - because I knew somehow, somewhere he would be praying to god nobody picks up the story and posts it on GL.

I don't doubt for a second though that he'll make sure to come up with excuses to defend Florentino here. Aren't I right, Nick? eco smile

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Post by Arquitecto Tue 13 Jul - 9:03

If those audio recordings are true Perez clearly is a low confidence soy laden clown.

What a gossipy little rat.
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Post by farfan Tue 13 Jul - 9:08

Why is everyone surprised? he had made similar comments in public. Laughing Just go back to what he said about Makéklélé when he left.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Tue 13 Jul - 9:14

@farfan wrote:Why is everyone surprised? he had made similar comments in public. Laughing Just go back to what he said about Makéklélé when he left.

That was a beaut, Vintage Florentino Proud

He wasn't a header of the ball and he rarely passed the ball more than three metres. Younger players will arrive who will cause Makelele to be forgotten.

Clearly he knows what he's talking about, doesn't he?
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Post by Myesyats Tue 13 Jul - 9:15

Surprised with his thoughts about Casillas. Iker seems like such a nice guy hmm

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Post by halamadrid2 Tue 13 Jul - 9:40

Clearly these leakes tapes are meant to hurt Perez and RM. I have no doubt in my mind that it's related to the ESL. But alot of these quotes made the news back then and both players are back at the club now.

And if you think about it he is right on both accounts. There was a gigantic division in the squad back then and Raul (the captain) was then thought to be the head of the Spaniards in their rift with the Brazilians. Must have been tough to manage that whole situation was toxic. Iker was not better but I don't think he was the leaker Mou made him out to be. I am on his side in that whole situation against Mou

Ramos is the only captain since Hierro that I have actually felt oozed leadership and control and I am sad we've lost him

I'd like to hear the tapes on Ronaldo and his petulant behaviour and Ramos/Rene though hmm I'd pay to listen to those tapes tbh
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Post by titosantill Tue 13 Jul - 11:05

was really surprised about the iker comments; in 2006 iker was our most reliable player, hardly ever injured and had to cope with crap defense infront of him every time...any big losses we suffered could have been worse if not for him. the raul thing....him and flo have had their issues, and on a football standpoint that wasnt one of raul's best years...i dont get how these conversations get out, as a president, or as a pubic figure, part of the deal is to watch how you talk and who u talk to.....when u're in the public eye, certain kinds of conversations should just be had with ure wife......now if she leaks it, then u're just full of bad decisions.

@hala considering mourinho's track record everywhere he goes, i never believed that bulljive him and his cronies pushed about casillas leaking information.

i do think raul was a good leader, but his football had regressed by that point. imo it was his football that was an issue, than it was his leadership. u also have to remember, he was a leader before he became a captain. the armband is a symbol, but some guys are already leaders before they get the armband. raul already possessed leadership qualities and acted like one even at 23-24 yrs old
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Post by BarcaLearning Tue 13 Jul - 11:10

Tbf the Real stars back at the Galatico I phase was a bit like that? Same goes with those flashy stars in numerous clubs back in those times, multi-millionaires all having model gfs and lives those lifestyles.

Flo just being honest in a private conversation like anyone else would. Interesting how he blamed so much on Raul though, still remember Raul had such huge loyal following from Real fans. Nothing surprising here.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed 14 Jul - 4:17

The content of the leaked audio recordings, released once again by El Confidencial, includes some damning comments towards Ronaldo and Mourinho in particular in 2012, when both were at the club.

"[Ronaldo] is crazy. The guy is an idiot, he's sick," said Perez.

"You think this guy is normal, but he's not. If he was, he wouldn't do all the things he does.

"The last stupid thing, which everyone in the world saw... why do you think he'd do something so stupid?"

Perez also slammed both Ronaldo and Mourinho for having massive egos and being blinkered to reality.

"[Jorge] Mendes has no control over [Ronaldo] and it's the same with Mourinho - none at all," said Perez.

"Even for interviews, they don't listen to him. These are two guys with terrible egos, spoilt the pair of them, who don't see the reality because they could both earn a lot more money if things were different.

"They are both abnormal because we are talking about a lot of money in terms of image rights. And with that face they have, that challenging glare, the fact that no one likes them... if the publicity was different, everything changes."

Furthermore, Ronaldo and Mourinho were not the only Portuguese that Perez had some choice comments for, with Fabio Coentrao also coming in for criticism.

"He's nuts, that's one of the effects of Real Madrid. He's another mindless one and Madrid eats guys like that," said Perez.

"Right now, he's scared and Mourinho is an idiot. It's not that he doesn't want to play... Well, he's a little stupid, driving without a licence.

"The pressure has got to him and that's because he's sick but the other one doesn't care about that."

Staying with the theme, the Real Madrid chief also had something to say about Jorge Mendes' role in Pepe's transfer to Los Blancos in 2007, which came during the presidency of Ramon Calderon.

"That the 30 million [euros] have left here and arrived there, no doubt, but now you have to look at the bank it's ended up in," said Perez.

"He does that with Jorge Mendes, the representative of Porto's president [Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa], with him everything is odd. Mendes pops up and he'd pay him as he's the Porto president's alibi.

"He and Mendes got money from the Russian with the Mourinho deal and the [Ricardo] Carvalho and [Paulo] Ferreira ones... and that money they take it to Switzerland. Someone mixed up in all this should get mad and they have to give us a clue about that account in Switzerland."

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I am loving these leaks tbh. Says exactly what we all think.

There is a reason we dont deal with Mendes clients anymore. Absolutely dodgy that guy
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Post by titosantill Wed 14 Jul - 6:06

speak for yourself. and i'm not sure why or how you think this is a good thing. the president has already been clouded in controversy with the super league thing, and has this reputation of getting rid of long term servants in unceremonious ways (mind you i'm not against getting rid of old players, this  isnt a nursing home), zidane's exit, and the letter he published, considering the fact we always viewed zidane as flo's guy and now leaks come out; and as recently as 2012.

if u're in the market for transfers, that reputation of promising a star one thing and then totally doing another and even insulting them, does very little to help anyone. also doesn't help anyone in ure current locker room....its business, but its still people, difficult to turn a blind eye to this. its like flo hates strong personalities and strong characters. and the kind of people u want to sign are strong personalities, not soft players.....i do hope this is the last of this. and he should definitely take legal action
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed 14 Jul - 8:36

Perez is a human being. This is not something he has said that he wanted to go to print. This is him venting in private to a guy that he probably considered his "friend" just like we all do. I mean who here hasn't badmouthed a colleague or manager in private before. We all have at some point or another in our lives.

The fact that these resurface now after how many years makes the whole thing look like a witch hunt.

And lets not pretend that he's said something blasphemous. Iker was a weak captain, we all knew that. Raul was part of team that had a rift in the dressing room. Neither of those were captain material, lets be real. Ronaldo quote probably came after the whole muy triste debacle, who here didn't call him a whinging baby. The president only had other choice words for him than us.

Mendes is a piranha with a dodgy track record, we all know he does dodgy dealings. Again here the president hasn't said something we don't all think

The only difference he is that some busybody has decided to record and sell these audio recordings.

If you think about it, they probably expected the blowback to be so severe he'd be forced tp resign. But most if not all comments that have been made of these rewording have been that first and foremost that he's said this in confidence and is entitledto have a personal opinion but also that nothing he said has been wrong apart frpm the comments about Iker/Raul not being good enough. That just sounds like bitter comments to me tbh. But apart from that he is absolutely spot on in his assessments of these players. I am guessing the comments on Ramos will be similarly scathing and it'd something we'd all agree with honestly

If these stars are scared of bad words from people they are at the wrong club. None of those players nentioned were treated badly during their RM tenure. They were are paid handsomely for their services, Raul got paid the last year of his contract and managed to choose the next team at will. Iker maybe left in bad circumstances but that was more to do with the whole Mou tenure tbh. Iirc Coentrao never got reprimanded for driving without a license etc

Anyways, just like he wiped the floor with Fifa/Uefa he'll do the same with El Confidential

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Post by CBarca Wed 14 Jul - 9:00

To be sure, Hala is right that none of this is surprising. Florentino Perez is an extremely arrogant, extremely out of touch billionaire. Of course he refers to most people as "stupid" or "a little stupid", or "sick" if they don't agree with him on something or if he thinks they aren't making a good business decision

I think it's troubling, but I find it 0% surprising. We all knew he was an asshole before these came out
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed 14 Jul - 9:08

Unless something comes out that paints him as a homophobe, racist or something along those lines, these comments and the "outrage" will probably last until the start of the season after which everyone's focus will be of the performances again. Nothing news really but funny nonetheless
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Post by Myesyats Wed 14 Jul - 9:44

Thats the standard at Real Madrid CF. Important people at the club calling each other abnormal, stupid, sick, idiot, puppet, dog, child, gold-digger is not breaking news, its a way of life and proper code of conduct at the royal club.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage Wed 14 Jul - 10:16

And now it's Vicente Del Bosque's turn:
Spoiler:
He doesn't know how to coach, nor does he know about tactics. He's a fool

He really is something, isn't he? I mean, the level of delusion this guy has is probably second to none in world football.

yep! VDB, the WC, Euro, la Liga and multi-CL-winning coach doesn't know anything about tactics.

What a disgrace of a president Madrid has.
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Post by Arquitecto Wed 14 Jul - 11:29

Calling a guy with 5 La Liga, 2 UCLs, one world cup and one euro someone who doesnt know how to coach.

Perez stfu you retard.
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Post by titosantill Wed 14 Jul - 11:58

"If these stars are scared of bad words from people they are at the wrong club" @hala, when people sign for madrid it isnt in their contract that they should be cool with being called lap dogs, idiots and fools. yes they are in the eye of the public and open to criticism, but there is still something about respect. these things aren't fireable by any means but it really says a lot about flo

i heard the actual audio and stuff was so clear it doesnt even sound like it was a conversation between friends (still doesnt make it excusable). sounded like an interview, and like something that wasnt secretly recorded. its one thing to bash their football. when he said makelele only passes sideways and backwards, that's talking about football. if he says raul's playing soft or playing like hot garbage, thats football....but idiot, lap dog, fool; i dont think he'd say any of this to their face. especially when they saved his bacon a couple of times

del bosque's a proud man, i get why he declined flo's offers to receive one of these lifetime awards flo was giving out, he basically said as long as its from flo he isnt accepting....i dont see how any real stand up man could say all this is cool. u take pictures and smile with these people and laud them in front of the camera, then call them lap dogs, idiots and whipped behind their back? you can admire someone's career but should still be able to call them out on their bs....flo's our best president since di stefano, but he an asshole. explains a lot why zidane wrote that letter

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Post by titosantill Wed 14 Jul - 12:08

@Arquitecto wrote:Calling a guy with 5 La Liga, 2 UCLs, one world cup and one euro someone who doesnt know how to coach.

Perez stfu you retard.


he hadnt won the euro and the world cup yet, in the audio flo was saying he could never coach spain, and that jose camacho was a better coach than him....seems flo was trynna justify his decisions, he hired camacho, who flopped and got canned in the middle of the season, and hasnt had near an impact as vdb has. ironic he said vdb couldnt handle the egos, bar morientes, everyone loved him. but when camacho took over, even roberto carlos made that fist on desk analogy about him, and many of em despised him
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Post by Kaladin Wed 14 Jul - 12:40

Not just a racist but also has a twisted view of how football should be

Regardless, i agree with him in how things should be different, i just wished the Super League went in a different direction, they really could've done it

He really is the Madara of football
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Post by titosantill Wed 14 Jul - 13:37

a racist? nothing he has said or even done has given any inclination of racism. you dont just throw words around like that loosely, its ridiculous and takes away from how serious such an accusation really is.....(hopefully some new rant doesnt come out with flo spewing some racist vitriol).
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Post by Doc Wed 14 Jul - 17:53

I had to reread the posts a bit because I needed to make sure the years were 2006 and 2012, 15 and 9 years ago. The players mentioned are either retired or not part of the club nor has what Perez's thoughts were at time messed up any of their legacy's at the club.

Most importantly, this is not gonna do a damn thing and is, in my humble opinion, a waste of time. If the clusterfudge that is the Super League didn't end his career, leaked memoirs of a man bad mouthing his coworkers 9+ years would?

Would this affect our ability to sign future prospects? Probably but I am sure one's gross/net wage may be the deciding factor. I mean, Barcelona with all their rich history couldn't stop Neymar from "being his own man" elsewhere.

Perez has always been a proper asshole, a rich out of touch asshole but I care little for the man's personality and only care how he runs the club I love. Mendoza and Sanz were respected and love by the players and put the club in massive debt too.

In any case, give me our piece of shit Perez any day than whatever passes for a Barca presi these days.
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