Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
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Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
This shit is absolutely outrageous
At the top level, CL semis, CL quarters, he don't give a fuck about defending. Everyone rushing forward all the time
No control, no deliberation, just full on rush, verticality, attacking ecstasy, 90 minutes running forward,the whole team committed to attacking.
What a fucking game, nonstop attacking action, fucking crazy
Of course, it's absolutely maddening, the way we concede chances everytime the opponent merely has the ball
but still, how can you hate on that? How can you not absolutely fucking love this?
10 minutes into a CL quarter final, we had 4 top chances, we conceded 2 top chances, and on and on it went
Was there ever a top team that played like that? So relentlessly open?
Discuss
At the top level, CL semis, CL quarters, he don't give a fuck about defending. Everyone rushing forward all the time
No control, no deliberation, just full on rush, verticality, attacking ecstasy, 90 minutes running forward,the whole team committed to attacking.
What a fucking game, nonstop attacking action, fucking crazy
Of course, it's absolutely maddening, the way we concede chances everytime the opponent merely has the ball
but still, how can you hate on that? How can you not absolutely fucking love this?
10 minutes into a CL quarter final, we had 4 top chances, we conceded 2 top chances, and on and on it went
Was there ever a top team that played like that? So relentlessly open?
Discuss
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
and yes, I'm drunk, but the question is serious.
Was there ever? Surely this is not normal.
Was there ever? Surely this is not normal.
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
Do you know Zdenek Zeman ?
you should look for that Tenerife-Lazio 5-3 Uefa 97 ( it was Heynckes vs Zeman )
you should look for that Tenerife-Lazio 5-3 Uefa 97 ( it was Heynckes vs Zeman )
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
Robespierre wrote:Do you know Zdenek Zeman ?
you should look for that Tenerife-Lazio 5-3 Uefa 97 ( it was Heynckes vs Zeman )
Robespierre wrote:Do you know Zdenek Zeman ?
you should look for that Tenerife-Lazio 5-3 Uefa 97 ( it was Heynckes vs Zeman )
I've heard about Zeman of course. Gor fired and hired from Cagliari over and over wasn't he
He didn't make it to the CL knockouts though
8-2 in a semi against Barca
Flick is completely beyond reason
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
He was done when he 's coached Cagliari
His prime was in 90s. Protagonist in this decade. Never a winner, but the most attack minded of Serie A history probably. He was very good with Roman teams
Anyway yes , Flick is a very offensive manager and we tend to underrate this because Lewandoski has a great conversion rate.
Lewandoski is amazing but Bayern are also a club who produces much . And at same time the Lewandoski supremacy hides the defensive lacks.
I had noticed even on last CL anyway, and even in matches apparently with just a ruler. 0-3 against Lyon but yet you have conceded some easy chances to Lyon.
It's not the Bayern under Heynckes that was a working machine without incongruites
His prime was in 90s. Protagonist in this decade. Never a winner, but the most attack minded of Serie A history probably. He was very good with Roman teams
Anyway yes , Flick is a very offensive manager and we tend to underrate this because Lewandoski has a great conversion rate.
Lewandoski is amazing but Bayern are also a club who produces much . And at same time the Lewandoski supremacy hides the defensive lacks.
I had noticed even on last CL anyway, and even in matches apparently with just a ruler. 0-3 against Lyon but yet you have conceded some easy chances to Lyon.
It's not the Bayern under Heynckes that was a working machine without incongruites
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
Lyon could have scored many against us, as could every team we face. Köln, Bielefeld, Lokomitive Moscow, RB Salzburg.
Flick doesn't care, they get 2, 3, 4 ,5 appearances all alone in front of Neuer
While the rest of the team runs forward, 90 minutes, attack attack attack
amazing stuff
Problem is once you face Mbappé on a good day
Flick doesn't care, they get 2, 3, 4 ,5 appearances all alone in front of Neuer
While the rest of the team runs forward, 90 minutes, attack attack attack
amazing stuff
Problem is once you face Mbappé on a good day
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Yes the intensity in this game was something else. This bayern definitely is one of the most attacking minded teams ever. It's incredible how quickly they can transition to attack and create danger constantly.
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Actually Real owning Liverpool and also just watching the game recently has made me realise the contrast Zidane's teams in comparison. They play mostly calm and collected patience, but a lot of top teams like Bayern, Liverpool, Man C focus more on the pressing and intensity. All has their weaknesses I suppose.
Bayern were unlucky with the missing Lewand and Gnabry, together with the fact that Mbappe can be unplayable at times and score just with one or two chances. Another day Bayern would have drawn that game I think.
And yes Flick's Bayern are entertaining to watch, they way they attack non stop and play so high, leaving the back line to good counters consistently, makes for exciting games
Bayern were unlucky with the missing Lewand and Gnabry, together with the fact that Mbappe can be unplayable at times and score just with one or two chances. Another day Bayern would have drawn that game I think.
And yes Flick's Bayern are entertaining to watch, they way they attack non stop and play so high, leaving the back line to good counters consistently, makes for exciting games
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Re: Is Hansi Flick the most attack-minded manager we've witnessed?
Robespierre wrote:Do you know Zdenek Zeman ?
you should look for that Tenerife-Lazio 5-3 Uefa 97 ( it was Heynckes vs Zeman )
As soon as I read the thread title before clicking thought to come in and write "Zdenek Zeman has enetered the chat"
It was amazing to see his Roma kicking off games like this with "the wall of attack" rushing forward
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From the current top managers yes. However, I have to agree with CalcioLegacy here. Zeman's football had the most verticality I've ever seen. Passing backwards was never an option and they only passed sideways if they really had to.
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How would you guys compare Zeman's teams playing to this Bayern under Flick?
I mean in terms of style, strategy, not in terms of quality.
I've never seen those games, and it sounds intriguing. And this Bayern to me seems incomparable to any other team right now in the way how uncompromising, careless and unapologetic Flick has us playing forward and how little we take care to get people behind the ball
All the way down to his selection, clearly he's not insisting on a Alaba-Boateng CB partnership due to the strength of their defensive behaviour
I mean in terms of style, strategy, not in terms of quality.
I've never seen those games, and it sounds intriguing. And this Bayern to me seems incomparable to any other team right now in the way how uncompromising, careless and unapologetic Flick has us playing forward and how little we take care to get people behind the ball
All the way down to his selection, clearly he's not insisting on a Alaba-Boateng CB partnership due to the strength of their defensive behaviour
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Zeman played a 433 with the 3 forwards attacking close to each other to combine centrally while while fullbacks pushed up all game for width. The keeper played as a sweeper. A lot of quick one touch football in attack but always forward and getting the ball up quickly. Pressing to recover the ball high and running up in numbers to overwhelm a defense, which also left them wide open to counters. The kick offs were hilarious, 8 players standing on the half line waiting to attack from the first kick. Very fast paced.
Check out this video from his Foggia, shows the staples of "Zemanlandia"
Check out this video from his Foggia, shows the staples of "Zemanlandia"
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Hapless_Hans wrote:This shit is absolutely outrageous
At the top level, CL semis, CL quarters, he don't give a fuck about defending. Everyone rushing forward all the time
No control, no deliberation, just full on rush, verticality, attacking ecstasy, 90 minutes running forward,the whole team committed to attacking.
What a fucking game, nonstop attacking action, fucking crazy
Of course, it's absolutely maddening, the way we concede chances everytime the opponent merely has the ball
but still, how can you hate on that? How can you not absolutely fucking love this?
10 minutes into a CL quarter final, we had 4 top chances, we conceded 2 top chances, and on and on it went
Was there ever a top team that played like that? So relentlessly open?
Discuss
3 months of Flickball and I have exactly the same deliberations
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Barca finally playing direct football. so antithetical to club's philosophy but hey it's working so i'd imagine even the biggest adherents of slow and deliberate style of football like Pep and Xavi wouldn't mind this change of pace.
And let's be honest, every team hated that Barcelona too. that way of keeping the ball for yourself and suffocating your opponent with +75% possession is not really fun for opposing teams.
And let's be honest, every team hated that Barcelona too. that way of keeping the ball for yourself and suffocating your opponent with +75% possession is not really fun for opposing teams.
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