Re: The Racism Thread

[Pedram]

 90% of this mainstream media is far left.   The other 10% is far right.  

 

Not even remotely true. Fox News the biggest mainstream news outlet is conservative. the corporatist pos at MSNBC and CNN are far left?  

Agree that mainstream media has lost credibility but it's not due to them moving far left. it's because they repeatedly lie to people and only exist to serve and protect the interest of the elites.

[sportsczy]

 90% of this mainstream media is far left.   The other 10% is far right.  

 

Not even remotely true. Fox News the biggest mainstream news outlet is conservative. the corporatist pos at MSNBC and CNN are far left?  

Agree that mainstream media has lost credibility but it's not due to them moving far left. it's because they repeatedly lie to people and only exist to serve and protect the interest of the elites.

You have Fox and the New York Post on one side...

And then CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, Reuters, AP, PBS, Vox, Axios, Politico, NPR, etc (basically all of them) on the other...

It's like 88/12 overall in terms of reach to the left/far left.  I saw the Pew Researh report on it about a year back.  I'll see if I can find it.

All mainstream media lie... Fox does as well.

None of them are news. It's all about propaganda for whatever interest group that gives them money. Nothing more than tabloids all of them EXCEPT some of the business journals. Why? Business people want mostly facts. So if these journals do not feed them mostly facts, they lose their audience.

[Myesyats]

 90% of this mainstream media is far left.   The other 10% is far right.  

 

Not even remotely true. Fox News the biggest mainstream news outlet is conservative. the corporatist pos at MSNBC and CNN are far left?  

Agree that mainstream media has lost credibility but it's not due to them moving far left. it's because they repeatedly lie to people and only exist to serve and protect the interest of the elites.

FOX is big because conservatives are concentrated in that one network and leftists are spread between multiple networks, all networks Sportszczy mentioned at least lean left (far-left is probably the wrong term)

[Pedram]

Yea that's what surprised me, i don't think far left has any power in the mainstream news circle. they are mostly on Youtube and Spotify podcasts. channels like Young Turks can be considered "far-left" but even that's debatable because they've been recently agreeing a lot with the right on some issues.

The real political divide in the US is not left vs right, it's establishment vs populists and the populists won the election. yet to be seen how much they'll be allowed to implement their agenda though, the centers of power will put many roadblocks in the way of Trump.

[farfan]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

[Myesyats]

Yeah left on social issues is what I meant.

Funny enough right is the anti-war wing these days and the party of the people. The roles have reversed i think

[sportsczy]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

Not true imo.  

The economic policies have been very liberal the past 4 years.  Namely, spend like crazy, get people to rely on the government (as a Frenchman, you know how that is) and DEI over meritocracy.  This has led to crazy inflation, ballooning debt, and declining performance.

Education system...  weird and, frankly, crazy curriculum and policies.  For example, grades are somehow racist now (NYC is like this).  

Socially in general... nuf said.

Cancel culture... nuf said

Legally...  weaponization of various legal jurisdictions, often led by Soros-backed DAs and DOJ.

Groupthink over individual thinking... no primaries for the Dem candidate and cancellation of anyone who dared to break rank.  Elites know best apparently (not).

Law enforcement...  basically people can't go to jail now even if they try lol.

AND the worse part is that the left media all acted as a megaphone for the government as opposed to scrutinizing the government, which is what they're supposed to do.  

Media is very left.  Zero doubt about it.  Reason is that the dems let the far left drive policies and the media is basically just a propaganda machine for them... so they end up far left as well.  If the Dems moved more to the center, the media would move more to the center. It's not an idealogy thing... it's about who gives them money and access. Did you know "The View" is a ABC News show?! lol.

[Turok_TTZ]

Didn't realize this thread was a thing.

When the DNC did everything they could to cancel Bernie is 2016 and again in 2020 it only cemented what I long knew about how this nation is. Huey Long's words still ring true to this day, much to my frustration. I already lost confidence in politics before this but those moments had me lose confidence I didn't know I had remaining.

And worse as of late, the elites have divided the have nots pretty damn well. The propaganda outlets, the woke and the redpilled, left vs right. even race tensions. All trivialized as nothing more than cards to play to misdirect, mislead, to keep the have nots stuck on a loop, perpetually divided.

No sports. MSNBC, CNN has always been under the thumb of the players who are invited to the table.
They only exist to keep the status quo. nothing more. Profits are secondary, an added bonus. Let's not let it get twisted. MSNBC plays the role of the liberal media, CNN is slightly more centrist. But they both receive the script from the same director. And the same applies to the rest of the rags .there is no two sides. It's always been the one who want you to think that there's two in the first place.

And though the "journalists" rag on Trump, they're more than happy to reap the profits of a trump presidency with the orange tool being a guaranteed headliner because it's Trump. Your best bet for any news is your local news station... If yer lucky it ain't in on the grift.

[Pedram]

Didn't realize this thread was a thing.

When the DNC did everything they could to cancel Bernie is 2016 and again in 2020 it only cemented what I long knew about how this nation is. Huey Long's words still ring true to this day, much to my frustration. I already lost confidence in politics before this but those moments had me lose confidence I didn't know I had remaining.

And worse as of late, the elites have divided the have nots pretty damn well. The propaganda outlets, the woke and the redpilled, left vs right. even race tensions. All trivialized as nothing more than cards to play to misdirect, mislead, to keep the have nots stuck on a loop, perpetually divided.

No sports. MSNBC, CNN has always been under the thumb of the players who are invited to the table.
They only exist to keep the status quo. nothing more. Profits are secondary, an added bonus. Let's not let it get twisted. MSNBC plays the role of the liberal media, CNN is slightly more centrist. But they both receive the script from the same director. And the same applies to the rest of the rags .there is no two sides. It's always been the one who want you to think that there's two in the first place.

And though the "journalists" rag on Trump, they're more than happy to reap the profits of a trump presidency with the orange tool being a guaranteed headliner because it's Trump. Your best bet for any news is your local news station... If yer lucky it ain't in on the grift.

My man Turok

[Myesyats]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

Not true imo.  

The economic policies have been very liberal the past 4 years.  Namely, spend like crazy, get people to rely on the government (as a Frenchman, you know how that is) and DEI over meritocracy.  This has led to crazy inflation, ballooning debt, and declining performance.

Education system...  weird and, frankly, crazy curriculum and policies.  For example, grades are somehow racist now (NYC is like this).  

Socially in general... nuf said.

Cancel culture... nuf said

Legally...  weaponization of various legal jurisdictions, often led by Soros-backed DAs and DOJ.

Groupthink over individual thinking... no primaries for the Dem candidate and cancellation of anyone who dared to break rank.  Elites know best apparently (not).

Law enforcement...  basically people can't go to jail now even if they try lol.

AND the worse part is that the left media all acted as a megaphone for the government as opposed to scrutinizing the government, which is what they're supposed to do.  

Media is very left.  Zero doubt about it.  Reason is that the dems let the far left drive policies and the media is basically just a propaganda machine for them... so they end up far left as well.  If the Dems moved more to the center, the media would move more to the center.   It's not an idealogy thing... it's about who gives them money and access.  Did you know "The View" is a ABC News show?! lol.

Yeah the only thing that isn't left is probably the healthcare system but there's a fight over it.

dont know where the notion comes from that there is no left in the USA , its weird

Also being hawkish on foreign policy is a left-wing thing now.. right wingers are isolationist and America-first

[Pedram]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

Not true imo.  

The economic policies have been very liberal the past 4 years.  Namely, spend like crazy, get people to rely on the government (as a Frenchman, you know how that is) and DEI over meritocracy.  This has led to crazy inflation, ballooning debt, and declining performance.

Education system...  weird and, frankly, crazy curriculum and policies.  For example, grades are somehow racist now (NYC is like this).  

Socially in general... nuf said.

Cancel culture... nuf said

Legally...  weaponization of various legal jurisdictions, often led by Soros-backed DAs and DOJ.

Groupthink over individual thinking... no primaries for the Dem candidate and cancellation of anyone who dared to break rank.  Elites know best apparently (not).

Law enforcement...  basically people can't go to jail now even if they try lol.

AND the worse part is that the left media all acted as a megaphone for the government as opposed to scrutinizing the government, which is what they're supposed to do.  

Media is very left.  Zero doubt about it.  Reason is that the dems let the far left drive policies and the media is basically just a propaganda machine for them... so they end up far left as well.  If the Dems moved more to the center, the media would move more to the center.   It's not an idealogy thing... it's about who gives them money and access.  Did you know "The View" is a ABC News show?! lol.

dont know where the notion comes from that there is no left in the USA , its weird

Economically speaking, Biden did nothing in his four years that could be considered as "left". i guess he was more pro-union than his predecessors but that's it. the two party system is pretty much designed to keep the Overton window incredibly narrow and stifle radical political discourse.

Democrats are the gatekeepers of how much the country is allowed to move to the left. they're centrist themselves but sometimes push for some left-wing policies as relief valve so the base don't rebel against them.

Universal healthcare could be next on the agenda not because they want to help people but because they don't want see more CEOs get assassinated.

[sportsczy]

Biden did nothing economically that's considered left... are you f-in serious?!

Spending money on government programs and writing checks to people for no reason is about as left as it gets!  It floods the market with money-printing, which is non-organic and causes inflation.  It's neither free market nor capitalistic... the exact opposite.

The double whammy is that the growth is from money printing, not actual economic growth so that when the Fed has to increase the interest rate to fight inflation... it could very easily kill the economy.  It's called stagflation.  We were a hair away from it if Harris had gotten elected.  Thankfully, Trump became president and the policies are going to shift back to market economics bar tariffs.  Tariffs are the elephant in the room.  It can either do its job or backfire because you're falsing the market.  I get his reasoning though.  For example, there's a 18% VAT on US goods in France while French good aren't taxed at all in the US.  He's using tariffs to even the field. In his mind, the current markets are artificially tilted by governments to the disadvantage of US goods. He's not wrong. But it may cause inflation UNLESS he's able to really bring down energy costs to counteract, which is his plan.

[Pedram]

Spending money on government programs and writing checks to people for no reason is about as left as it gets!  It floods the market with money-printing, which is non-organic and causes inflation.  It's neither free market nor capitalistic... the exact opposite.

Sports you seem to forget Trump wrote those checks too, except he also passed a giant tax cut for the rich and caused the debt to balloon even more. spending money on government programs was a consensus decision in the Covid era, both parties agreed that stimulating the economy was the right decision and the ensuing inflation was worth it.

I'm not gonna pretend i know more than you on deficit spending, i'm not a economist but what you're accusing the Democrats of is no different than what the GOP does when they're in power. neither parties are fiscally responsible, especially Trump who is not a typical deficit hawk Republican who believes in small government.

[elitedam]

Isn't a VAT similar to a sales tax? Why would the US care what France's sales taxes are? If the product is taxed the same whether it's locally made or imported, then there is no trade advantage. What am I missing?

[farfan]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

Not true imo.  

The economic policies have been very liberal the past 4 years.  Namely, spend like crazy, get people to rely on the government (as a Frenchman, you know how that is) and DEI over meritocracy.  This has led to crazy inflation, ballooning debt, and declining performance.
 

A lot of Biden's fiscal and trade policies are a continuation of what Trump started. Additionally, the disruptions caused by COVID, the subsequent supply chain problems, and the surge in demand make it difficult to get a clear read on the macroeconomic picture in that 2020-2022 period. Economists are still fiercely debating the issue. I wouldn't feel confident blaming the ensuing inflation on any specific set of policies at this point.

I think Biden failed to deliver on what I consider the cornerstone of left-wing economics. He failed to strengthen unions, as the PRO Act stalled in Congress with no alternative solutions pursued. He talked a big game about raising the federal minimum wage, but ultimately did nothing to make it happen. He promised to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations but failed to push through meaningful reforms. He spoke about expanding healthcare options, but no substantial progress was made.

He and his party continue to be in the pockets of big business and continue to do very little for the working class, so it's hard for me to classify them as "left-wing" in any meaningful way.

[farfan]

There is a hardly a "left" in mainstream US politics  Media in the USA is across the board hawkish on foreign policy and on the supply side when it comes to economics. The divide is only visible when it comes to squabbling about social issues.

Not true imo.  

The economic policies have been very liberal the past 4 years.  Namely, spend like crazy, get people to rely on the government (as a Frenchman, you know how that is) and DEI over meritocracy.  This has led to crazy inflation, ballooning debt, and declining performance.

Education system...  weird and, frankly, crazy curriculum and policies.  For example, grades are somehow racist now (NYC is like this).  

Socially in general... nuf said.

Cancel culture... nuf said

Legally...  weaponization of various legal jurisdictions, often led by Soros-backed DAs and DOJ.

Groupthink over individual thinking... no primaries for the Dem candidate and cancellation of anyone who dared to break rank.  Elites know best apparently (not).

Law enforcement...  basically people can't go to jail now even if they try lol.

AND the worse part is that the left media all acted as a megaphone for the government as opposed to scrutinizing the government, which is what they're supposed to do.  

Media is very left.  Zero doubt about it.  Reason is that the dems let the far left drive policies and the media is basically just a propaganda machine for them... so they end up far left as well.  If the Dems moved more to the center, the media would move more to the center.   It's not an idealogy thing... it's about who gives them money and access.  Did you know "The View" is a ABC News show?! lol.

dont know where the notion comes from that there is no left in the USA , its weird

It comes from an observation of the political reality in the country. The Democratic Party was forced to move to the center as a result of Reagan's sweeping victory in the 1980 election and the dismantling of the New Deal consensus. Any would-be Democratic candidate would have needed to shift to the supply side to even sniff a chance of winning, which is exactly what Bill Clinton did. The coalition he led, the New Democrats, still leads the party to this day.

Just take a second to look at Clinton's economic policies and stop if you see anything that can be remotely described as "left wing". The guy destroyed the working class and crushed unionized industries with NAFTA, relaxed most environnemental protections to further empower corporations, repealed the Glass-Steagall act which gave investment banks free rein to do whatever they want, deregulated key sectors with strong unions like airlines and trucking, cut welfare spending in 1996 etc...

Hell I don't even think you can describe Bill Clinton as socially liberal. He brought back the death penalty in Arkansas when he was governor, he (and Biden) were responsible for the "tough on crime " 1994 Crime Bil that had plenty of racial undertone, he opposed gay marriage for most of his life... Just imagine calling this guy "left wing" if we applied the European standard for such classification.

This isn't unusual in American politics either. The same thing happened to the Republicans when they got pulled to the left (economically) after FDR's win and the emergence of the New Deal. Many people don't seem to realize that Republicans like Eisenhower and Nixon were actually more on the "left" than democrats like Clinton and Obama
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[Myesyats]

Thats why I agreed its mostly economically... the us doesnt have universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, a sensible insurance situation and minimum wage. But in terms of education, academia, society, culture they are very left, obviously it varies state to state bc some of them are like separate countries.

Even economically many argue that Americans dont have these rights but the poorest 20% of Americans are still pretty well-off and consume more goods than most people in other developed nations (https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/) and Americans have by far the most disposable income compared to citizens in other developed nations.


If you look at the Dem party platform: https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf these issues are raised. I dont know what would be considered left now economically though, because these issues like maternity leave and universal healthcare are kinda non-partisan in Europe.

[sportsczy]

America is built on capitalism... Adam Smith.  That's the bedrock of its economic success.  It's also the United States, not the United People.  Meaning that the entire concept is based on maximizing state rights and minimizing the Federal government.  I can go on and on (such as why the electoral college system is exactly the right system given what the founding fathers were looking to accomplish).

Left and right were always near the same, hence why the US was so politically stable until it started becoming extreme after 9/11.  Everyone agreed on 90% of the policies and elections were decided on the remaining 10%.

Left and right need to be contextualized.  It means different things in different places.  It was never an extreme difference in the US.

[Myesyats]

i feel if they provided that man reparations he would not have committed the buffoonery he did in the subway train.

Wtf is going on at America

Subways in NYC are getting worse.. pic.twitter.com/rkuFl9KdD0

— Defiant World (@DefiantWorld) December 26, 2024

[Myesyats]

Turns out whites are not racist wow

[Adit_2.0]

Turns out whites are not racist wow

Wow a white person not admitting he is not a racist. Shocker.

What kind of research is this man?

So you go around asking people if you feel you are superior to others and you expect them to say honest answer?

The entire research is bs.

[Myesyats]

Wow a white person not admitting he is not a racist. Shocker.

What kind of research is this man?

So you go around asking people if you feel you are superior to others and you expect them to say honest answer?

The entire research is bs.

All whites conspired with each other to give the same answer huh? Others are fine with being viewed as racist by that logic?

[Blue]

I think it is insane how people believe in order to defeat racism they should talk more about race and create more divisions.

Reality you can’t beat racism by emphasizing more on race and ethnicity.

[Adit_2.0]

Who is creating division ?

America just elected some one on the back of white supremacists campaign which clearly targeted Kamala Harris being black , Trump being white , Haitian eating your cats , Mexicans stealing your jobs , White replacement theory. It is still going on targeting Indians during freaking Christmas eve.

Then if we call out the racism it is the fault of the people pointing it out that are the problem.

How about we root out the racists first to solve the problem of racism.

[Pedram]

One does not simply "root out" the racists. it's one of those things that will always exist in some form because humans are too dumb to see beyond the petty tribalism.

Btw Indians themselves are some of the most racist people on Earth with all those caste systems you got there and the ruling party BJP being openly hateful toward Muslims so that's ironic coming from you.

[Adit_2.0]

Oh yeah, what aboutery. Since you have casteism you can't talk about race.

Let me tell you I am one of the victim of casteism. I can talk about casteism and racism both. Since I experience both from people like you (rightists masquerading as fake leftists) .

It is like telling white women that you can't talk about patriarchy since you are actively benefiting from white supermacy. Both should be faught and what aboutery people who only want to drag down any progressive movements can suck a pole is all I care.

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