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Post by Thimmy Wed 17 Mar 2021, 17:57

If this had been a non-white guy venting his excessive anger towards white people, would he just be a terrorist? I have to ask since I keep reading right wing this, right wing that. Sounds like there are right wingers everywhere.

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Post by CBarca Wed 17 Mar 2021, 18:13

A big part of being right wing, at least in america today, is overt racism.

It's a part of being left wing too but people on the left try a little harder to not be as racist.
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Post by Babun Wed 17 Mar 2021, 18:18

CBarca wrote:We're past the point where shooters *wont* get coverage either through news or social media coverage.

So where there is social media/news coverage, we might as well spell out exactly what this probably is: a deranged, right wing nutjob who targeted Asian people to kill. Why? I think we're still figuring it out. However, if that facebook post is of any indication, the guy seems at least partially motivated by coronavirus conspiracy theories.

For all I care,
a "Pathetic rightwing COWARD murders defensless unarmed Asian-American women in a massage salon shooting" headline
would be satisfactory to me. I just want to deny these types of people/groups any form of glory because there's none in shooting innocent people.
Myesyats wrote:Well Kaz I thought you said hate crime against asians wasn't up??? Incels with guns is a great idea. They're so easily radicalized. Pull out a knife and commit to committing the crime for heavens sake. Guns are for pussies.

I'd prefer fistfights between men, preferably leftwing vs rightwing. Extreme right and neonazis have got the biggest coward of the world history as their role model: Adolf Hitler. He commited suicide like a pathetic coward he was. Countless German Teenagers between 11-16y needlessly died in the last days of the war because the Obercoward forgot to surrender.
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Post by Arquitecto Wed 17 Mar 2021, 18:41

Shooters generally if not almost always, are outcasts. America is unique in that sense. Bombarded with constant images from advertisements to the Hollywood culture to the general media throwing on your face what you can be, should be or want to be. Unique in a way only America is and what inspired many to come there in the first place.

Point being, shooters generally have delusions of grandeur, like Elliot Rodgers who was kind enough to make us all a manifesto before he went on to embarrass himself and his family.

They generally envision all the women they want, but cannot have, for them. Destroying their "enemies" and creating empires in their head.

Their purpose is driven out of hate and a constant attrition of not having what they want, and more so, not even going for it.

Fearful creatures they are for many reasons exist on why they become what they are. Poor parental figures (fathers mostly), lack of female attention to just furthering themselves into the tunnel of hate they choose to venture further in and thus give themselves the identity they lack.


I feel bad for no incels unless he is deformed or crippled as these plebs deserve all what they get in their death and in their legacy.

Racism quite simply, is just you either being stupid or lacking any education in assimilation. No excuse.
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Post by El Gunner Wed 17 Mar 2021, 20:08

Arq wrote:They generally envision all the women they want, but cannot have, for them. Destroying their "enemies" and creating empires in their head.
oddly specific
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Post by Thimmy Wed 17 Mar 2021, 20:18

According to a Norwegian article, Robert Andrew Long (21) now claims that he's sex addicted, and he did what he did in order to "eliminate the temptation". Sounds a bit suspect, to me. I am surprised that the article didn't suggest that this had something to do with racism, though. That's typically how they angle these things here. And that leads me to believe that he, himself, likely said something that has ruled out that possibility.
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Post by Arquitecto Thu 18 Mar 2021, 09:51

El Gunner wrote:
Arq wrote:They generally envision all the women they want, but cannot have, for them. Destroying their "enemies" and creating empires in their head.
oddly specific


This is more from my understanding of Elliot Roger who's manifesto in detail, spelled similar span over the mentality of other shooters.

The shooter who always rationalised their goal pre-genocide by some ideology, mostly did so out of personal frustrations and inability to overcome them.

Cretins, to be honest.
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Post by Myesyats Thu 18 Mar 2021, 11:56

Thimmy wrote:According to a Norwegian article, Robert Andrew Long (21) now claims that he's sex addicted, and he did what he did in order to "eliminate the temptation". Sounds a bit suspect, to me. I am surprised that the article didn't suggest that this had something to do with racism, though. That's typically how they angle these things here. And that leads me to believe that he, himself, likely said something that has ruled out that possibility.

His motive was clearly stated in the fb post. China virus > plot to destroy america > shoot asian people.

Its a mixture of trump planting the chinavirus hate seed, right wing media fueling that & a young, deluded incel with easy access to guns. This is a well-known pattern and this type of person is very susceptible to act like this and be influenced by populist nutjob rhetoric.

Also all neo-nazis look kind of like this guy. Incel rageoholics, mentally unwell due to being closed off and falling for conspiracy theories. America is unique in that way also due to having easy access to weapons and a weird gun culture.
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Post by McLewis Thu 18 Mar 2021, 14:36

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^^^The shooter.


For what it's worth, this has been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-long-china-shooting/

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Post by McLewis Thu 18 Mar 2021, 14:36

As for the racial connotations of the shooting, I don't think it can or should be ignored that Long likely passed strip clubs on his way to these massage parlors to specifically kill these Asian women. He seems to have fetishized them. They carry an exotic allure to him. It's something white men have done to non-white women for centuries, especially when rejected.

So I don't buy this "he was just a sex addict" pivot that RW media are already spinning to shield them from his white supremacy. If that were truly the case, his victims would be more than just Asian women. My read is that he targeted these women due to a sexual fetish that involved their race.

It's a hate crime in my book.
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Post by Thimmy Thu 18 Mar 2021, 16:26

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, McLewis. It might've been a hate crime, for all we know. Where do you get the white supremacy theory from, though? He does look like a stereotypical, racist, redneck type, but has anything suggested that he actually was a white supremacist? Razz
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu 18 Mar 2021, 17:05

Sex, sexual obsessions and racism aren't mutually exclusive, anything but.

'Race' tends to play a prominent role in some sexual fantasies, not just personally but also culturally
Anyone who has ever browsed a porn site will know that, and espeically the Asian, oriental, massage thing is one of porn's staple idee fixes; and you can assume that when it's a porn clishee, it's a sexual fantasy clishee widespread in society.

Sure you guys remember when Mel Gibson told his ex gf how he wished she got 'raped by a pack of N*****s', the idea of sexual power of black men and various projections and obsessions that come with that, the idea of sexual devotion of Asian women, these are not rare things.

I remember when I had an abroad year in college, back in the day, in Amsterdam, there were many American students too, and there was this one guy in my film studies course, he was this fat, sweaty, nerdy type, also from Georgia I believe, or maybe Arkansas?, and he was this Southern Baptist evangelical too, he kept talking about staying pure, and guilt, and temptation (weird he'd go to fucking Amsterdam then..), and he also had this fetishistic, voyeurist obsession with 'oriental' girls and especially filming them.
He was always running around with a digital camcorder, breathing loudy, trying to film these other couple of student girls from Korea lmao. Sounds like a  typical American obsession to me.
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Post by Thimmy Thu 18 Mar 2021, 17:13

McLewis wrote:I don't think it can or should be ignored that Long likely passed strip clubs on his way to these massage parlors to specifically kill these Asian women. He seems to have fetishized them. They carry an exotic allure to him. It's something white men have done to non-white women for centuries, especially when rejected.



I don't know how strip clubs work in the US. We have very few of them here, and the ones we have don't offer sex, as far as I know. It's just striptease. It's a poorly kept secret that the Thai massage parlors do offer it in some form, and I often see what I can only describe as nerdy looking types park their business vans outside of the many Thai massage parlors I drive by on my way home from work.
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Post by McLewis Thu 18 Mar 2021, 23:00

Thimmy wrote:I'm not quite sure what you're saying, McLewis. It might've been a hate crime, for all we know. Where do you get the white supremacy theory from, though? He does look like a stereotypical, racist, redneck type, but has anything suggested that he actually was a white supremacist? Razz


Hans summed it up rather well so I won't add much else to his post other than white supremacy is first and foremost about control. Even more so than power. White people, especially those who settled the lands here in the US, believed everything and everyone who didn't look like them were to be subjugated. That attitude may have shifted over generations into a more culturally tolerant sheen, but the under pieces are always making their way to surfaces for brief moments, and with ever increasing frequency beginning in the Obama era and getting eve worse during the Trump era.

What floors me is that this guy literally said he simply had a "bad day". And that resulted in 8 people getting shot up. For those us who are not white, a bad day is pretty innocuous, it could mean 1 too many cans of pop or that extra slice of cheesecake we shouldn't have had. If we did what this guy did, we also would be dead. Only in a white man's world would a "bad day" equal mass murder and then a quiet arrest and a chance to explain why they did what they did. It's the results of centuries of privilege, dominance and, yes, supremacy.
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Post by McLewis Thu 18 Mar 2021, 23:04

Thimmy wrote:
McLewis wrote:I don't think it can or should be ignored that Long likely passed strip clubs on his way to these massage parlors to specifically kill these Asian women. He seems to have fetishized them. They carry an exotic allure to him. It's something white men have done to non-white women for centuries, especially when rejected.



I don't know how strip clubs work in the US. We have very few of them here, and the ones we have don't offer sex, as far as I know. It's just striptease. It's a poorly kept secret that the Thai massage parlors do offer it in some form, and I often see what I can only describe as nerdy looking types park their business vans outside of the many Thai massage parlors I drive by on my way home from work.


And those nerdy types don't go to those places just for the low prices. They go there for the specific type of exotic looking women they have fetishized. There is a whole subculture to this stuff. Just as Hans mentioned with white girls and black men.
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Post by Thimmy Fri 19 Mar 2021, 03:39

My point is, you're reading minds and applying absolutes to a bunch of people who may, or may not actually match your preconceived notions. A lot of people did the same thing on here when they claimed that CR7 definitely raped that American woman.

I don't understand how people can do it. I may sometimes be inclined to think that a person is guilty of something, but I'll never state such opinions as facts unless it can be backed up by concrete evidence.
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Post by El Gunner Fri 19 Mar 2021, 06:59

Hans wrote:I remember when I had an abroad year in college, back in the day, in Amsterdam, there were many American students too, and there was this one guy in my film studies course, he was this fat, sweaty, nerdy type, also from Georgia I believe, or maybe Arkansas?, and he was this Southern Baptist evangelical too, he kept talking about staying pure, and guilt, and temptation (weird he'd go to fucking Amsterdam then..), and he also had this fetishistic, voyeurist obsession with 'oriental' girls and especially filming them.
He was always running around with a digital camcorder, breathing loudy, trying to film these other couple of student girls from Korea lmao. Sounds like a typical American obsession to me.
lmao
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Post by Myesyats Fri 19 Mar 2021, 10:25

El Gunner wrote:
Hans wrote:I remember when I had an abroad year in college, back in the day, in Amsterdam, there were many American students too, and there was this one guy in my film studies course, he was this fat, sweaty, nerdy type, also from Georgia I believe, or maybe Arkansas?, and he was this Southern Baptist evangelical too, he kept talking about staying pure, and guilt, and temptation (weird he'd go to fucking Amsterdam then..), and he also had this fetishistic, voyeurist obsession with 'oriental' girls and especially filming them.
He was always running around with a digital camcorder, breathing loudy, trying to film these other couple of student girls from Korea lmao. Sounds like a typical American obsession to me.
lmao

This can't be real Laughing
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Post by Arquitecto Fri 19 Mar 2021, 10:34

Its most definitely real.

In Uni only I saw North-Americans perform such things and be of such an ilk and it was...bemusing at best.
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Post by McLewis Wed 31 Mar 2021, 16:02

The super unfortunate thing is that he is mixed race himself.
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Post by Myesyats Wed 31 Mar 2021, 16:10

Babun wrote:

@Young Kaz
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed 31 Mar 2021, 16:22

McLewis wrote:The super unfortunate thing is that he is mixed race himself.
being non_white doesnt insulate you from this ,I don't know why people would expect any different. George Zimmerman was half Hispanic as well.
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Post by Myesyats Wed 31 Mar 2021, 16:43

Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf announced this week that the city will launch a guaranteed income project to give hundreds of Black and Indigenous families and people of color $500 per month for 18 months.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/24/us/oakland-low-income-bipoc-guaranteed-income-trnd/index.html


What about poor whites???? System based solely on racial criteria is racist
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed 31 Mar 2021, 18:18

Myesyats wrote:Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf announced this week that the city will launch a guaranteed income project to give hundreds of Black and Indigenous families and people of color $500 per month for 18 months.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/24/us/oakland-low-income-bipoc-guaranteed-income-trnd/index.html


What about poor whites???? System based solely on racial criteria is racist
Non-whites have been specifically b left out of public social programs, investments and subventions over decades and centuries.
Many public welfare problems that kept the white poor from becoming "socialist" (LOL), most notably the New Deal, which included subsidized loans for house mortgages and stuff like that, were explicitly racist i.e. not available to non whites, creating a massive, systemic economic gap and a continued suppression of non white economic opportunities. A racist wealth gap which propagates itself.

OF COURSE at some point you have to make specific, targeted investment in nonwhite communities in order to even start to make up for that

that's not racist, it's the definition of antiracist
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Post by Myesyats Wed 31 Mar 2021, 19:25

Tie the benefits to economic status. If it means majority of the benefit goes to families of color then fine, it is deserved based on merit. To single out any race is racist doesnt matter if you're well-meaning. If it was racist back then, it is racist now.

Easy target for the GOP to signal to poor whites, imo. And they're already doing it, Fox was all over it
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