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Post by Nishankly on Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:36 pm

To the times where Human error decided games. #VAROUT
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Post by Zagadka on Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:46 pm

What we are seeing in football, is the future for humanity.

The robots and technology will eventually control, and subsequently destroy the humankind.

It's been a nice ride, but winter is coming
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Post by Pedram on Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:49 pm

Liverpool fans complaining about VAR when it doesn't favor them, what a shocker.
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:52 pm

@Pedram wrote:Liverpool fans complaining about VAR when it doesn't favor them, what a shocker.


It has never favored us. We've beaten teams after having VAR go against us, you never saw it because for Liverpool, it was never an issue unlike other teams who were unable to win after VAR decisions going against them. Its a whole new level now and has to be questioned.
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Post by Arquitecto on Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:57 pm

Ive no problem with VAR as if anything I support it despite how it slows the game to a halt.

The problem is with how its used and the competency of it. It seems to have taken any confidence out of referees and they seem often rather visually perplexed when coming upon the decision. With time they will improve the technology decisions are indeed much too pedantic.


But today the officiating completely failed.
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Post by rincon on Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:03 pm

Having a meltdown because decisions don't favor Liverpool in a match?
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Post by Zagadka on Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:06 pm

With no fans at the stadium, the touching in penalty box being as forbidden as a no-contact strip club, and inability to celebrate any goals unless they are outside of the box worldies, all the fun in football is dying.

This is not the same game GOAT Maradona played anymore.
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:09 pm

@rincon wrote:Having a meltdown because decisions don't favor Liverpool in a match?


Not at all, Its just not Liverpool. We can keep that a bit aside atleast for this thread, feel free to attack that on the PL thread. Every team is facing this and all of us have been bringing it up on the PL thread and not just for decisions going against our own teams. Let's please not make this a Liverpool problem who are still doing well on the table.
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Post by rincon on Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:58 pm

@Nishankly wrote:
@rincon wrote:Having a meltdown because decisions don't favor Liverpool in a match?


Not at all, Its just not Liverpool. We can keep that a bit aside atleast for this thread, feel free to attack that on the PL thread. Every team is facing this and all of us have been bringing it up on the PL thread and not just for decisions going against our own teams. Let's please not make this a Liverpool problem who are still doing well on the table.

What are you referring to? are you against the ability to look at replies for game-deciding actions like goals, penalties, and red cards? this minimizes error in refereeing, it's a fact. There are less errors with VAR than without it.

If what you want is for games to be decided more often by refereeing mistakes then there is nothing else to say, terrible thing to want in sport.

VAR is a tool, the rest is on the refs. It's not an AI that dictates the rules of football, it's just cameras and screen that refs can use to rewatch actions.

Don't like the handball rule for penalties? that's on the refs that make and interpret the rules. Don't like the level of contact that creates a penalty? on the refs. Don't like the lack of tolerance for offsides? on the refs again. VAR is just a camera to look through.

Last season in Serie A we had a record number of penalties because the rules had been changed to make any handball in the area a penalty. The refs used, using VAR, could correctly implement the rule and nobody liked it (except Lazio fans?). The rule was shit, but that's not thanks to VAR or the use of technology, it's thanks to the refereeing committee that thought it was a good idea to implement this rule.

Now for this season the rule has been changed and the interpretation of the handball is allowed again. VAR is still here and used, and now it's much better. We won't have to chop De Ligt's arms anymore.
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Post by CBarca on Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:46 pm

I was one of the most ardent anti-VAR posters here from the start. Quite frankly, some of what I felt would happen has happened.

However, VAR has won me over for the most part.

It's still early with VAR. As Rincon said, it's a tool, and we have to use it well. The way forward isn't to scrap VAR, it's to improve on VAR every year.
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Post by RealGunner on Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:48 pm

Agreed with both VAR and ANTI VAR movement depending which favours the agenda

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Post by M99 on Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:04 pm

Penalty and Mane goal ruled out looked fair to me.
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Post by Doc on Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:09 pm

I mean, VAR is just the name given for refs to review certain calls through videos, something that should have been in football lik ten years ago.

As Rincon mentioned, at the end, it's the refs making the decisions and the decision that totally influenced this thread, well, it was a pk. Robertson got Welbeck proper and anywhere else on the pitch, that is a foul.
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Post by Robespierre on Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:16 pm

I ' m pro VAR, I continue to be it, but it must improve in Champions League

Now, we 've surely deserved to lose against Real and probaly we'd have lost equally ( we were 10 vs 11 ) , it's not an excuse, but  well , I remember  Real defender  blocks clearly Gagliardini on 2nd half and VAR doesn't intervene.. typical VAR situation , it was unacceptable
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Post by Warrior on Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:17 pm

Agreed with Nish

Unless you replace the refs by robots, using VAR as currently just deviates the unfairness. They rule out a goal for 1mm that even the offside ref cannot see, but they won't review a goal that is valid, but the scoring chance began with an uncalled foul...

Also i don't notice significantly better refeering since VAR started.

Human eye is not perfect, but VAR is hypocrisy against football fans. Also it throws referees under the bus since they must call their own mistakes. It's 2020 with advanced technology, either you do it 100% or scrap that imo.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:47 pm

Problem is we are in the early stage of VAR implementation. We still give the ref too much power. Why does the ref on the field need to decide? Let the guys in the camera room figure it out. Let them have access to all angles. And let the standards be uniformly enforced.

The other problem is that for non-rich leagues VAR is actually quite expensive. I read that for the Sao Paulo team VAR costs them 50k a match, which is not little in Brazil (especially considering how many matches they have over there).
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:11 pm

Ignoring the posts who are still trying to make this about Liverpool even after asking not to make it about one club sigh I hope other PL fans come in here so these guys don't dilute an issue, I agree, what is the point of VAR if the Refs implementing it aren't good enough? Even after 2 years of VAR, we've had the VAR rules changing rather than personnel change with the Refs. How can we replace this Human error, now within the Technology lmao, if there isn't a funnel of upcoming new Refs.
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:13 pm

If you don't have good refs, you shouldn't be using VAR. What even is a solution if implemented by the wrong people who don't achieve what is required?

Fix the Refs who have been an issue since 10 years before adding them into even bigger things like the VAR. Once that is done, we can then move on the VAR.
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Post by Myesyats on Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:44 am

VAR is great. Reduces the overall number of errors by a ton.

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Post by Robespierre on Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:50 am

@Myesyats wrote:VAR is great. Reduces the overall number of errors by a ton.


It is enough to watch a match witout VAR in 2020 , for example Uefa Nations League matches.
It seems the Middle Age.
Incredible errors that can't be corrected. Not used to it anymore.
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Post by Luca on Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:53 am

VAR is the way forward

It’s time for these backwards refs to utilize the technology rather than cling to their own ego

Offside is offside

The real tragedy is the handball rule and the way it’s applied. So many stupid penalties this way

If it’s inconsistent it’s because it’s applied inconsistently. The fix is not to completely step backwards but learn as we go

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Post by Warrior on Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:56 am

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t40490-the-official-video-assistant-referee-thread

Funny to read the same debates from 3 years ago Laughing with the difference that the highlighted problems from that thread are now proven on the long term

The inconsistency is intentional, i wonder why they even bother

As example, the video review system in hockey is what i call "not perfect" but still necessary, for a long list of reasons that mostly don't apply to football. VAR is what i call "fraud" it's disappointing.
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Post by El Gunner on Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:44 am

@Luca wrote:VAR is the way forward

It’s time for these backwards refs to utilize the technology rather than cling to their own ego

Offside is offside

The real tragedy is the handball rule and the way it’s applied. So many stupid penalties this way

If it’s inconsistent it’s because it’s applied inconsistently. The fix is not to completely step backwards but learn as we go

agreed offside is offside, but i wouldn't mind the rule that Arsene Wenger suggested a while back

pretty much agree with you entirely, the refs need to put their egos aside and come to more stricter rules that form as the basis. I think we're just living in the moment and forgetting many of the atrocious decisions that went by unscrutinized all the years pre-VAR. The biggest issue atm is the inconsistency in the decisions. Some very lame and soft tackles being called as fouls, it's still a contact sport, dammit
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:07 pm

https://twitter.com/marathonbet/status/1333529721875869697?s=09

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Post by Nishankly on Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:13 pm

Scrap this fucking shite.
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