Lionel Messi Transfer Speculation

Lmao Ballon d'Or has always been against Messi, they barely gave him 7 when he should've had at least 11 if it was based on actual performances. They didn't include Messi because it generates more media buzz than Benzine being outright favorite. Just for giggles, Messi guides PSG to titulero with 7,77 performance, Cronaldo takes ManU out of CL with 7,11 performance.

halamadrid2 wrote:

BarcaLearning wrote:Very strange list, many strikers like Vlahovic, Haller, Nunez n not Messi whos still like 10 times the footballer anyone of these guys Basically its Benzemas win than, wow, congrats already.

What time frame does the award count nowadays? I guess next yrs' will be influence mainly by the WC n also this season's trophy winners?

So you mean Messi would've won if he'd been nominated? It doesn't make a difference if he's there or not because he wouldn't have won it anyway but it serves as a humiliation to the Messi fanboys. Ronaldo and his PR team can rest easy, he'll have more nominations than Messi now which is a consolation price.

Haller had an excellent CL. Nunez did well there too. Vlahovic scores alot in Serie A and is there for the same reason Kane, Ronaldo and Son are there.

I should have said next yrs will count the WC n this coming season's trophies Im guessing... this yrs Ballon D'or is pretty much decided already by last seasons trophies I imagine?

Messi dont deserve it of cos, he moved to PSG n took a long while to settle n he also had Covid. Just saying in comparison I would still include him in front of quite a few on that list, hes just that good. Next yr he will definitely be back on the list, hes always on fire in WC yrs n he should be settled in fully this coming season at PSG.

BarcaLearning wrote:Very strange list, many strikers like Vlahovic, Haller, Nunez n not Messi whos still like 10 times the footballer anyone of these guys Basically its Benzemas win than, wow, congrats already.

What time frame does the award count nowadays? I guess next yrs' will be influence mainly by the WC n also this season's trophy winners?

Okay terrible take.

Ballon DOr is based on merit not what the player is.

Messi was bang average for Paris. No one around that. He was rightfully excluded.

farfan wrote:Is this the biggest drop in the history of the BO? Barring retirement, I don't think anyone went from winning it one year to not even making the list the next year.

Moving to PSG should count as retirement imo

But jokes aside I was actually interested so I looked it up. As far as I can tell the last time this happened was in 1987, when the holder was someone named Igor Belanov and he wasn’t nominated. So it does happen, but yes very rare.

As a Messi fanboy I’m not too bothered though, this won’t even be a footnote in history. People will talk about it for a few days and then move on.

Luis Diaz

Myesyats wrote:Luis Diaz

PL bias

You can argue that there are 30 players that had a better season than Messi, but you can't really argue that there are 30 better active players than him. The BdO is supposedly an award for best player, not best year, so he should be included. But no sweat, this year he'll remind everyone what he can do.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:You can argue that there are 30 players that had a better season than Messi, but you can't really argue that there are 30 better active players than him. The BdO is supposedly an award for best player, not best year, so he should be included. But no sweat, this year he'll remind everyone what he can do.

That is absolutely not true as the record of all its winners are players who've had the best year.

If it was the case you're assuming Messi would win it by default each year because indeed he is the most skilled relatively speaking.


Last year he didn't produce anything of note and had 6 goals to his name which is...yea. Very puzzling statement.

Just read up the criteria up again a bit, this part "The most attentive will have noticed the disappearance of the "player's career" criterion. A way of considering the race for the Ballon d'Or as an open competition, and not as a preserve", think meaning players like Messi will a long successful career history will not be counted nowadays?

Basically more purely based on performance of that yr, no matter who u are. I get the point. Anyway, each yr there are debates n usually certain few who deserves or not to be on the list I suppose. Just still dont agree with eg. Haller on there instead of Messi, just dont feel right

I mean imagine Argentina has a successful WC n PSG a good run in the CL, n Benzema underperforms together with France/Real, he might win it again next yr, it would be pretty weird

BarrileteCosmico wrote:You can argue that there are 30 players that had a better season than Messi, but you can't really argue that there are 30 better active players than him. The BdO is supposedly an award for best player, not best year, so he should be included. But no sweat, this year he'll remind everyone what he can do.

It's a yearly award so obviously it's for best player of the respective year. And quite clearly Messi is not near the top 100 of best player over the last year.

Luis Diaz over Müller however

So apparently no matter how much Haaland & Co. have absolutely outperformed a relatively above average at best Messi last year, Messi should still be above him cause he is Messi and it feels right.

Haaland 7.55 being bundesfodder, Messi 7.77 to titulero.

Most of the list did outperform Messi of cos, bar those few already mentioned... anyway, I guess will just have to disagree, next yr he'll back right back amongst the favs unless Arg flops in the WC

Also its great that they changed from calendar yr to instead counting the league season from Aug-Jul I think...