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Post by sportsczy Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:31 am

Honestly BC, if it wasn't Messi, he'd be benched.  Doesn't defend at all, no running without the ball, no defense, etc...  Mbappe of course and also Neymar are clearly better.  

They can't defend with 7 players.  So they need Neymar/Mbappe and another forward that will do the work in an 8 man defense.

Messi/Neymar/Mbappe will never work.

That's why IMO, Cavani and Di Maria were so critical to playing next to Neymar and Mbappe. Those two, besides being brilliant on the attack, did the job defensively.

Wijnaldum/Gueye was a big problem too frankly.

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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:03 pm

Too bad Di Maria isnt the Real Madrid version, otherwise him playing as one of the hard working midfielder would be so good in an imaginery world Razz Guess PSG will just have to make do for this season with whoever rotates to partner Verratti there, prolly between Gueye/Danilo/Parades to do the defensive work...
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Post by Harmonica Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:36 am

Mbappe is one of the worst finishers I know, could've hat-trick again from the chances that were put on plate for him. That's the reason for loss against Nantes, and the Neymar peno miss. Haaland for Mbappe is going to fix every issue with PSG.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:51 am

yea reminds me of a more physically gifted Theo Walcott
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Post by farfan Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:06 am

Guys, give it a rest. Mbappé has been rubbing his nuts all over Messi's forehead since their first encounter Laughing He did it in the WC game against Argentina, at the Camp Nou last year, and has clearly been the best offensive player for PSG this year.

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Post by Mamad Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Messi is going to be 35 soon. you retire at 35. or play at mls. 70% of Messi's game was the deadly runs at defenders and ability to dribble everyone. now he does not have the pace for that so his game is now all about his passing abilities.

If Mbappe leaves, with messi and Neymar playing like old men, PSG is in big big trouble next season.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:28 pm

farfan wrote:Guys, give it a rest. Mbappé has been rubbing his nuts all over Messi's forehead since their first encounter Laughing He did it in the WC game against Argentina, at the Camp Nou last year, and has clearly been the best offensive player for PSG this year.


it's not a question about who is better atm or heading forward, but rather just bringing up the fact that Mbappe is nowhere close to being one of the most clinical finishers we've ever seen.
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Post by danyjr Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:44 pm

Not one of the most clinical finishers? He has had 90 goals in 103 matches for PSG and he just turned 23 Laughing
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Post by El Gunner Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:01 pm

well the amount of chances he gets he should be going along at the rate of Ronaldo for Madrid :coffee:
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:02 pm

Its obvious Mbappe lives rent free in Jiopsi's head given he is outperforming Missi week in week out and by a mile. Latter being a clear flop so far for Paris meanwhile Mbappe likely to knock out Madrid next leg.
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Post by danyjr Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:33 pm

El Gunner wrote:well the amount of chances he gets he should be going along at the rate of Ronaldo for Madrid :coffee:
Ronaldo was 24 when he joined Madrid. Before then his goalscoring record was 84 goals in 196 matches (0.43 ratio vs Mbappé's 0.87).
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Post by farfan Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:37 pm

El Gunner wrote:
farfan wrote:Guys, give it a rest. Mbappé has been rubbing his nuts all over Messi's forehead since their first encounter Laughing He did it in the WC game against Argentina, at the Camp Nou last year, and has clearly been the best offensive player for PSG this year.


it's not a question about who is better atm or heading forward, but rather just bringing up the fact that Mbappe is nowhere close to being one of the most clinical finishers we've ever seen.


Nobody claimed he's the best finisher ever. You're arguing against a claim that you made up yourself.

Not that Mbappé is infallible or anything, but the subtext of these critiques from Messi fans is pretty clear. Messi fanboys are laying the foundation for the old narrative of Messi being let down by inferior teammates and absolve him of any responsibility when things eventually go wrong. It's odd how we have to constantly hear about Mbappé's supposed wastefulness when Messi has the WORST shot conversion rate in Ligue 1 Laughing  

Oh and Mbappé is also the leading assist provider despite Messi contributing fuck all in the scoring department. Laughing He's the one being let down by a declining start who's not pulling his weight.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:59 pm

farfan wrote:Oh and Mbappé is also the leading assist provider despite Messi contributing fuck all in the scoring department. Laughing He's the one being let down by a declining start who's not pulling his weight.
Because of assists in midfield that Messi somehow scored. Laughing In the mean time Mbappe misses 1on1 in every game that Messi creates.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:20 pm

Imagine putting Mbappe's record breaking season down in comparison to Messi.

Messi's stats are Panic-Posted as Ill coin to the moment he is failing. Things like most completed passes in the left quadrant of the field to most assists layed off by the main assister meanwhile we will just ignore his pathetic goal rate and being Mbappe's actually relevant stats.
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Post by futbol_bill Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:24 pm

Harmonica wrote:
farfan wrote:Oh and Mbappé is also the leading assist provider despite Messi contributing fuck all in the scoring department. Laughing He's the one being let down by a declining start who's not pulling his weight.
Because of assists in midfield that Messi somehow scored. Laughing In the mean time Mbappe misses 1on1 in every game that Messi creates.


Do you even look at the stats you always seem to be quoting before making these ridiculous claims?

Mbappe making an assist because Messi scores! Messi has a grand total of 2 goals in league play, which may account for 2 of his assists. What about the other 7? Just looking at the stats shows how much bs there is to your posts. Mbappe 12 goals, 9 assists. Messi 2 goals, 8 assists.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:58 pm

Messi (and CR for matter) are no longer part of the top 10 players in the world anymore. Maybe not even top 20 in Messi's case... yet people want to compare him TODAY to the best player in Mbappe (imo).

Mbappe, Haaland, Salah, Neymar, Lewandowski, Verratti, Van Djik, Modric, Benzema, etc. are all better players today and I can keep going.

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Post by Arquitecto Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:46 pm

Their time is done and its no shame in admitting that as both players (maybe not Messi) are playing well beyond the expected age and no stat about how Messi is dribbling past his own teammates per minute will justify otherwise.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:41 pm

futbol_bill wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
farfan wrote:Oh and Mbappé is also the leading assist provider despite Messi contributing fuck all in the scoring department. Laughing He's the one being let down by a declining start who's not pulling his weight.
Because of assists in midfield that Messi somehow scored. Laughing In the mean time Mbappe misses 1on1 in every game that Messi creates.


Do you even look at the stats you always seem to be quoting before making these ridiculous claims?

Mbappe making an assist because Messi scores! Messi has a grand total of 2 goals in league play, which may account for 2 of his assists. What about the other 7? Just looking at the stats shows how much bs there is to your posts. Mbappe 12 goals, 9 assists. Messi 2 goals, 8 assists.
Messi has 7 goals. What I said is completely correct. Messi would've 15 assist minimum if Mbappe was a good finisher.
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Post by futbol_bill Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:37 pm

You’re mixing manipulating stats again. You on one hand are talking about ligue 1 and then you mix in goals from CL play!
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Post by Doc Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:10 am

M99 wrote:Shame, was hoping to use this pic.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:28 pm

sportsczy wrote:Messi (and CR for matter) are no longer part of the top 10 players in the world anymore. Maybe not even top 20 in Messi's case... yet people want to compare him TODAY to the best player in Mbappe (imo).

Mbappe, Haaland, Salah, Neymar, Lewandowski, Verratti, Van Djik, Modric, Benzema, etc. are all better players today and I can keep going.


I agree with this. Both of them are no longer relevant and shouldn't be considered among the best anymore.

Just a side note though, the moment I noticed Ronaldo was no longer elite is with Man United this season. So his decline became at 37 even though he's still putting decent numbers (he has 8 goals in the league so far). Messi on the other hand is only 34 and yet he has already declined.

His decline became truly apparent last season with Barça. Copa America gave him an undeserved Ballon d'Or but his season with Barça was truly catastrophic.

Still, when he signed for PSG, I expected him to tear the league open. So the fact that he only has two goals speaks volume on his rapid decline.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:34 pm

I'm just gonna add one thing about PSG. I already said that their victory against Madrid was well-deserved in the other thread. But the player I feared the most in the game was by far Mbappé. He was deadly, quick and turned our defense inside out many, many times.

I think it's safe to say he's the one carrying them and that PSG is a completely different team without him.

Messi was very disappointing to say the least.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:35 pm

Doc wrote:
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:25 pm

The Demon of Carthage wrote:I'm just gonna add one thing about PSG. I already said that their victory against Madrid was well-deserved in the other thread. But the player I feared the most in the game was by far Mbappé. He was deadly, quick and turned our defense inside out many, many times.

I think it's safe to say he's the one carrying them and that PSG is a completely different team without him.

Messi was very disappointing to say the least.


He's by far their big and best star and outperforms Neymar as well by now who is supposed to be in his prime whereas Mbappe is not even near it.

I love that Mbappe's assist stats are seldom mentioned whereas with Messi we are analysed his every micro movement akin to when that scrub Oscar (Chelsea) was being analysed for his backward short passes.

Its just clutching onto straws by now.
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Post by futbol_bill Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:10 pm

I’m looking forward to PSG signing Ronaldo! The retirement home reputation takes on all the more validity and I want to see Harmonica’s reactions!

:coffee:
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Post by Harmonica Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:17 pm

futbol_bill wrote:I’m looking forward to PSG signing Ronaldo! The retirement home reputation takes on all the more validity and I want to see Harmonica’s reactions!

:coffee:
Nobody is going to sign him anymore after what has happened with Dumpnited.
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