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Post by Jay29 Sun May 02, 2021 3:58 pm

FT.

I liked that second half performance. Willian came inside more to create a box in the middle and help with the team's central occupation. Arsenal played a lot more through the middle than on the flanks. Ceballos and Odegaard had the most freedom to drift and got on the ball in dangerous spaces.

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Post by RealGunner Sun May 02, 2021 4:06 pm

ASM is definitely someone we should consider for LW. Should be cheap too.

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Post by Jay29 Sun May 02, 2021 5:09 pm

He's a bit of a Zaha to me.

Explosive, can beat players for fun and pull off something special, but no real control over his end product and inconsistent.

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Post by El Gunner Sun May 02, 2021 6:25 pm

didn't watch, but Twiiter tells me Martinelli did his thang... you of course just know that means he isn't starting on Thursday night
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Post by Sina Sun May 02, 2021 10:28 pm

@RealGunner wrote:ASM is definitely someone we should consider for LW. Should be cheap too.


Pedro Neto>>>>>>>>>>


Lovely performance by Martinelli playing like a proper winger
Xhaka was lucky not to get sent off
Cant trust Arteta with team selection for thursday Mad

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Post by silver Mon May 03, 2021 9:35 am

Difference makers for me were Martinelli (duh, actually sprinted for the ball/in the press and took his man on), Luiz with his passing game (Holding is just bang average, no idea how he got this reputation of being a solid player), and Bellerin getting forward down the line and joining the midfield and having the pace to recover (how is Chambers better?).
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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 6:43 pm

Most important game of the season tonight boys.

Team:

Leno; Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Xhaka; Smith Rowe, Partey, Odegaard; Saka, Aubameyang, Pepe

Looks like a 4-3-3.

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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 7:56 pm

Xhaka injured in the warm-up. Tierney starts instead.

Might be a blessing but we don't know how fit Tierney is.

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Post by RealGunner Thu May 06, 2021 7:57 pm

That's quite an attacking midfield. Not sure who is the 8 between Odegaard and ESR.

Coquelin back to break some bones.

A defeat will be very ugly for Arteta.
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 06, 2021 7:59 pm

Xhaka injured in the warm up. Tierney starts
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Post by AnJl Thu May 06, 2021 8:41 pm

Pepe is such a good guy, slowing down play so Villarreal can come back into position
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Post by El Gunner Thu May 06, 2021 8:52 pm

at this point only Martinelli can save us... but Farteta
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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 8:53 pm

Not looking good I'm afraid.

Again, I ask: who are we making space for? It's too rigid. Nobody making runs. Players lethargic on and off the ball. Auba is being marked out the game.

The right hand side has been dead. Bellerin and Saka having poor games and Odegaard hasn't been given the ball enough.

Best play has been down the left but Tierney's crossing to one player.

Gut-wrenching watching Arsenal play so slowly and allow the opposition time to get back into shape when they have the tools to play more direct.

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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 9:00 pm

If Arteta can't get his team fired up for a big second half then it really has to be curtains.

Tactical errors can be forgiven if the team shows some fire. At the moment they look scared.

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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 9:57 pm

Where do we even go from here?

No European football at all next season.

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Post by El Gunner Thu May 06, 2021 10:00 pm

well that settles something i've known for a while now
Emery >>> Arteta

when's this fraud going to get the boot? i can't actually believe we got worse after Emery
#KroenkeOut
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Post by AnJl Thu May 06, 2021 10:03 pm

This team looks devoid of ideas, not one player takes the game by the scruff of the neck and all they do is stand and point, misplace passes and pass it to the wide areas to I lu accomplish nothing.

Sigh. In hindsight, its good we are out of Europe. This will shake the foundations of the club and its needed
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Post by 6unner Thu May 06, 2021 10:45 pm

The only thing that will shake the foundations of Kronke is relegation. He does not give a shit and knows that as long as he can stay in the EPL the valuation of the club will go up. Maybe not as fast but it will not loose valuation. I am sure he also knows that no matter what the stadium will fill again post covid. I doubt that he cares who is in the stands as long as someone is. Between corporate buy in or away fans the Emirates will be at near capacity.

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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 10:48 pm

So...

Chirstoph Galtier in?

Marcelo Gallardo?

Graham Potter?

Adi Hutter?

Let's face it, we aren't getting a top level coach. We're not getting Ten Haag or Allegri. So we gotta be looking at coaches on the up, and avoid the likes of Favre or Rudi Garcia who've already flopped at big clubs.

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Post by RealGunner Thu May 06, 2021 11:08 pm

No idea where do we go from here.

Will any manager get better out of the current squad? I mean i don't think the squad is that bad. Surely Partey who was top class for Atletico shouldn't be playing as Frimpong 2.0? i mean that's coaching and tactics, not a reflection on the player itself.

Honestly though, it feels like we haven't gotten anywhere since Wenger's last season. Including that and adding Emery, Ljunberg and Arteta's time. Does it not feel to you that all of that time was pretty much the same? similar highs and similar lows. Same tactics. Same issues of slow ball progression. Same issues with individuals lacking coaching. If anything, Emery actually had the right idea of doing things eventhough he lacked the execution. Ljunberg was plain unprepared while Arteta was just a gamble. However if you would show 3-4 matches under all 3 of them to anyone and not tell them who was managing which side, they would think it's just all the same.

Where do we really go from here?

We talk about summer exodus and getting rid of deadwood etc every year but at this point we barely have anyone left to sell that starts week in week out. You start pointing fingers at the established stars. Auba, Xhaka, Pepe etc. Maybe we just need to sell them and start over with maybe less talented but more adapt players? We need to stop and acting like a big club. We need to start building up like Everton or West Ham have been doing. They show more progress than us anyways.

Get in a manager who is 1) experienced 2) gets more out of less

But knowing Arsenal, Vieira or Henry are probably our next manager lol.
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 06, 2021 11:13 pm

Also, Xhaka is probably our most important player by far. If nothing, he actually adds leadership in the team. We probably lost the tie the moment he got injured

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Post by El Gunner Thu May 06, 2021 11:22 pm

RG wrote:Honestly though, it feels like we haven't gotten anywhere since Wenger's last season. Including that and adding Emery, Ljunberg and Arteta's time. Does it not feel to you that all of that time was pretty much the same? similar highs and similar lows. Same tactics. Same issues of slow ball progression. Same issues with individuals lacking coaching. If anything, Emery actually had the right idea of doing things eventhough he lacked the execution. Ljunberg was plain unprepared while Arteta was just a gamble. However if you would show 3-4 matches under all 3 of them to anyone and not tell them who was managing which side, they would think it's just all the same.
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Post by Jay29 Fri May 07, 2021 12:11 am

Too many specialists, not enough all-rounders basically.

The way the team has to play changes completely depending on who starts up front and on the flanks, and that's not how it should be.

Modern football is about all-round players with athleticism and intelligence to play multiple roles in the same game. But Arsenal have signed a bunch of players who are only good in specific roles.

This is why Emery, Ljungberg and Arteta have all struggled to find a consistent working line-up.

Not picking on Pepe specifically, but £72m on a guy who can only dribble and shoot is bonkers. £72m should be getting you a guy who can dribble, shoot, pass, cross, press, and everything else.

So Arsena's transfer strategy has to move away from shiny specialists towards all-rounders who might not be as technically impressive but give you more bang for your buck. And of course, this strategy has to support a clear vision from the manager.

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Post by Sina Fri May 07, 2021 12:28 am

@Sina wrote:New head coach + New head of recruitment who can sign players that fit coaches style
The only way out of this mess
Which wont happen
Edu is going nowhere though.is he?

New head coach alone wont be enough without proper recruitment Crying or Very sad
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Post by RealGunner Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 am

Yea completely agree with that

When you look at all the top sides, they have that in common. We seem to have a lot of players who are great at a particular setting and average in another. We seem to lack flexible players who can adapt to any change in tactics or formation without dropping 50%. Even during Wenger's Emirates era, i remember how we had about 6-7 players in the team capable of scoring, passing and assisting regardless of tactics. The top sides such as City and Man United have the right players who aren't relying on one set of instructions. They can do both X and Y if needed.

While in Auba's 3rd year we still have this issue whether he is better upfront or LW. Goals rarely ever come from midfield. We have wide players who can just do one thing or the other. Defenders are all 6/10 at best and our best defender is approaching 34 who might not even be here next year.

I guess the best thing will be to get someone who has a clear vision of doing things and who has already identified the type of players he wants. No point signing rejects from Chelsea or panic buying players like Partey who have no real roles in the side.

but none of this is happening.
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Post by Sina Fri May 07, 2021 12:49 am

Used to think signing players from whitin Premier League for inflated fees was lazy business but it has changed over the last few years
Lots of good PL players who would still see us as step up and would deffo improve us and of course bigger clubs woudnt sign all of them
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