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Post by Jay29 Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:30 pm

Sad times when the manager's entire gameplan hinges on two kids.

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Post by RealGunner Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:32 pm

Awful. Really awful.

feel sick watching this.
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Post by 6unner Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:42 pm

Is there a manager in the league right now that looks as clueless as Artetta. Or another team that looks like they are fighting as hard for relegation.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:48 pm

Your club is finished isn't it

who is at the helm?
who is making decisions?
who is leading this club?
who is responsbile for Arsenal?

to think how aggressively negative fans were towards Wenger, who ticked all those boxes resoundingly

now I feel from you: apathy, hopelessness, lack of ambition due to complete disappointment

It's sad

Wenger didn't die on the cross for this

You need to do better, you need to make his sacrifice worth it


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Post by El Gunner Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:51 pm

i've had enough
I'm officially #ArtetaOut
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Post by 6unner Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:55 pm

there is Odegard talking to his new manager. There is no chance he stays at arsenal.

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Post by El Gunner Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:14 pm

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Post by mani88 Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:31 am

Just a reality check yesterday. This is where we actually stand at the moment. The league position we are in is a very true representation. If we start comparing wenger, emery and arteta things start to get abit more clear of where we have changed and is it on the good or the bad side.

The only thing thats for sure to come in the future is just more suffering for us fans. The only person who has a pandemic to thank for his job is arteta as all others lost their jobs coz of it.
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Post by Jay29 Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:17 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Your club is finished isn't it

who is at the helm?
who is making decisions?
who is leading this club?
who is responsbile for Arsenal?

to think how aggressively negative fans were towards Wenger, who ticked all those boxes resoundingly

now I feel from you: apathy, hopelessness, lack of ambition due to complete disappointment

It's sad

Wenger didn't die on the cross for this

You need to do better, you need to make his sacrifice worth it

Yes, it's done at the top level for a long time.

The squad has a severe lack of quality and cohesion and the club does not have the funds to make drastic improvements in one go. Nor is the manager capable of doing more with less, it seems. Plus the key decision makers above the manager are inexperienced. It's very difficult to see how it gets better in the short-term.

The club was right to move on from Wenger because the entire structure cannot and shouldn't be supported by just one man. It was the time to get our shit together and put a structure in place than can endure for a long time, but these last three years have been tumultuous, to put it mildly.

Gazidis oversaw the restructuring then ditched the club for Milan.

Sanllehi took over, made a whole raft of dubious transfers, then suspiciously fucked off.

A whole bunch of guys brought in under these two have left the club.

And now the whole project is in the hands of Edu, who has no experience restructuring a club, and Arteta, who has no experience managing a club. Some of their early decisions are very concerning.

Signing the likes of Cedric and Willian on free transfers because "experience".
Giving Luiz a new contract.
Handing Auba a £300k p/w deal which seems to be a repeat of the mistake made with Ozil.
Thus far failing to secure good fees for unwanted players.
Spending an entire summer trying to buy Aouar then deciding at the last minute the deal wasn't doable, thus depriving us of a creative player for a half a season, necessitating a loan signing to repair the damage.
And right now, the £50m spent on Partey is looking like a mistake as well.

All during a pandemic, mind you. Good luck repairing all that damage when you've got emergency government loans to pay back.

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Post by Jay29 Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:38 am

Just to highlight how ridiculous Edu's job will be this summer:

Leno, Bellerin and Xhaka will have two years remaining on their deals. The club has to decide very soon if they should renew or sell. Selling means replacements because these guys are first team regulars and funds are tight.

Luiz's deal runs out soon but Arteta wants to keep him and wants a new centre back. His relationship with Saliba is iffy. That's 25m worth of player potentially binned without playing a game for the club, plus more money sunk into the defence.

Right back is troubling. Cedric isn't the one. Bellerin has been crap for ages and could raise funds. Chambers isn't good enough there either. There has to be a new signing here.

We need a back-up left-back. Kolasinac's deal expires in 2022 and Schalke won't want him after they're relegated so he'll probably end up staying another year.

Midfield. Oh boy. Elneny will get a new deal because he can make-up numbers and is cheap. Ceballos won't stay. Odegaard won't stay. Maitland-Niles and Willock aren't good enough. Torreira wants to go back to South America; no chance of a return on our 25m investment. Guendouzi Laughing. The bulk of Arsenal's budget has to go in completely rebuilding this part of the pitch.

Up-front, Lacazette and Nketiah have deals that are up next summer. Both need to go. Problem is, nobody is buying 30-year-old Laca on his salary during a pandemic, and Nketiah has lost so much value by not playing.

Basically, all these players need to go:
Luiz, Chambers, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Guendouzi, Torreira, Willock, Nelson, Maitland-Niles, Nketiah, Lacazette

And we need to get:
A starting right back, a back-up left back, three new midfielders, and a striker

Good fucking luck.

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Post by El Gunner Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:38 am

Partey isn't a mistake. The price of purchase may have been a bit overhyped. But he is clearly our best midfielder (not that he is Vieira mind) but he is good, he just needs to stay fit and get another good 8 and 6 to operate beside him based on opposition. Bissouma is my pick for the 6-type player. No idea about an 8
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Post by Sina Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:16 pm

New head coach + New head of recruitment who can sign players that fit coaches style
The only way out of this mess
Which wont happen
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Post by El Gunner Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:20 pm

really think we need new owners too with football acumen and an invested interest in seeing the club succeed.
The Nigerian dude needs to come thru ffs
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Post by Jay29 Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:42 pm

Tierney out for 4-6 weeks. Means he misses both quarter-final legs and the semi-final as well if we get through Slavia.

Cedric and Bellerin have to step-up big time.

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Post by El Gunner Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:08 pm

yea we're not winning the Europa without Tierney
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Post by mani88 Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:06 pm

Arsenal account on either twitter or FB posted highlights of Arsenal V Slavia. All I did after seeing that was cry........ ffs that was the team that I supported...... amazing football. We scored 7 that night. Now we dont have 7 shots on target in 3 or even 4 consecutive matches combined. Crying or Very sad
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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:04 pm

Back in the day when we'd stick five, six, or seven past the minnows in the CL groups. Have to say that the standard around Europe has improved since then, but they were fun times.

That was peak 4-4-2 Arsenal that gave no shits about defending and securing themselves against the counter. We had Flamini charging around as a ball-winner next to Fabregas who was allowed to go wherever he liked, then Rosicky and Hleb coming inside to become extra mids. Basically a 4-1-3-2 in possession. Then up front Van Persie dropped off and Adebayor drifted left which made space for Fabregas to come up late through the middle. Plus Sagna and Clichy going forward. Kolo and Gallas did all the defending on their own. Laughing

I remember being on forums back then and everyone saying we need a ball-winner to add "bite". Gokhan Inler, Miguel Veloso, Lorik Cana, Scott Parker, Yann M'Vila, Blaise Matuidi, Moussa Sissoko... just to name a few. In hindsight a player like that wouldn't have made much difference. Structurally, Arsenal back then were just a very open team who could be countered on with ease and they couldn't defend set-pieces at all. Still have nightmares of Denilson trying to track Rooney on the counter and Bolton/Blackburn piling in on our keeper during corners. But a fun team to watch when it was on it, for sure.

Fenerbahce 2 - 5 Arsenal from 2009 is another fun one if you want to see Walcott, Eboue, Ramsey and Adebayor at their best.

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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:09 pm

Leno; Bellerin, Holding, Gabriel, Cedric; Xhaka, Partey; Saka, Smith Rowe, Willian; Lacazette

Subs: Ryan, Hein, Lopez, Elneny, Azeez, Ceballos, Nelson, Pepe, Martinelli, Aubameyang, Nketiah


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Post by 6unner Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:46 pm

Just expect the loss so if for some reason we pull it out we can say we change the corner again

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Post by RealGunner Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:55 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Back in the day when we'd stick five, six, or seven past the minnows in the CL groups. Have to say that the standard around Europe has improved since then, but they were fun times.

That was peak 4-4-2 Arsenal that gave no shits about defending and securing themselves against the counter. We had Flamini charging around as a ball-winner next to Fabregas who was allowed to go wherever he liked, then Rosicky and Hleb coming inside to become extra mids. Basically a 4-1-3-2 in possession. Then up front Van Persie dropped off and Adebayor drifted left which made space for Fabregas to come up late through the middle. Plus Sagna and Clichy going forward. Kolo and Gallas did all the defending on their own. Laughing

I remember being on forums back then and everyone saying we need a ball-winner to add "bite". Gokhan Inler, Miguel Veloso, Lorik Cana, Scott Parker, Yann M'Vila, Blaise Matuidi, Moussa Sissoko... just to name a few. In hindsight a player like that wouldn't have made much difference. Structurally, Arsenal back then were just a very open team who could be countered on with ease and they couldn't defend set-pieces at all. Still have nightmares of Denilson trying to track Rooney on the counter and Bolton/Blackburn piling in on our keeper during corners. But a fun team to watch when it was on it, for sure.

Fenerbahce 2 - 5 Arsenal from 2009 is another fun one if you want to see Walcott, Eboue, Ramsey and Adebayor at their best.


I remember those days as well and i was convinced someone like M'Vila will make us title winners all by himself Laughing

Honestly we were quite suspect to counters but not many teams could take advantage of it because of how well we kept the ball. It always helped overloading the final third with technical players who were all great with the final ball or quick 1-2s. Back then team pressing wasn't such a big thing either as it was a role given to few specialists so we got away with quite a bit. That's why Fergie's United Mourinho's chelsea was a nightmare to play against since they both knew exactly what to do with us.

Denilson vs Everton was even worse if you remember that. He faked a slip so he wouldn't have to track back Laughing

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Post by RealGunner Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:56 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Leno; Bellerin, Holding, Gabriel, Cedric; Xhaka, Partey; Saka, Smith Rowe, Willian; Lacazette

Subs: Ryan, Hein, Lopez, Elneny, Azeez, Ceballos, Nelson, Pepe, Martinelli, Aubameyang, Nketiah



Good to see Xhaka and Saka back. I imagine Arteta's reason for starting Willian is the deep block we are going to face.
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Post by 6unner Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:34 pm

and now we lack vision skill and technical ability. with our GK receiving more passes than a forward. Who would have ever thought we fall so far.

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Post by silver Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:46 pm

I've got a great game plan that will revolutionize Arsenal. Pass it between the CBs and if the ball somehow makes it into the midfield, pass it back to the CBs. Games are won by the number of successful CB passes right?
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Post by Jay29 Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:54 pm

Very muted performance from both teams. Just nothing happening outside of Saka getting in behind, but nobody else in the Arsenal team look like they believe they can score. It's odd.

The ball behind Slavia's left looks on every time and Holding has played some good passes, but then nobody supports Saka. I'm not seeing anyone get into the penalty area. Smith Rowe has the beating of their defenders too but he's not getting enough of the ball. The left hand side in general just looks dead with the lack of a natural left footer and Willian's tepid performance. With the game being so compressed in the middle the run in behind looks the most dangerous option as Saka is proving, but he's the only one doing it. Too many players waiting to receive the ball in condensed space instead of moving.

Against the ball it's looked messy, too. Team doesn't look confident about who's picking up who. A few times Lacazette has complained about nobody coming up to support the press or players going too late. It seems Slavia could eventually drop one behind the press and get running at the centre backs if we don't organise ourselves better.

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Post by El Gunner Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:55 pm

turned that shit off
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Post by RealGunner Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:46 pm

Finally Pepe

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