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Post by RealGunner Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:49 pm

Yea Jay is right. Arteta wouldn't go straight to a 4-4-2. Interesting anyways, let's see how Eddie does in the Auba role.

We need to put 4 past them in either case

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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:48 pm

Shite once again going forward.

Pepe gets the ball and coughs it up a second later. Lacazette cannot hold the ball up surrounded by defenders. Nketiah is a ghost on the flank.

Nobody moves. Nobody links-up. It's so damn boring to watch.


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Post by Sina Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:50 pm

Their CF is better than Lacazette
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Post by mani88 Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:52 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Nah, 3-4-3 all the way.

Leno

Luiz Gabriel Kolasinac

Cedric Partey Elneny Saka

Pepe Laca Eddie


Do u still think this is a 3-4-3??? Given the position of Kolasinac?
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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:54 pm

Yes. Always check the defensive shape for whatever formation a team is actually playing. Arsenal are defending in a 5-4-1, attacking in a 4-3-3 with Saka going inside and Kolasinac going wide. The usual stuff, just with different players.

Also note how in the final third, it's Saka going wide left like a conventional wing-back and Nketiah going inside. Kolasinac doesn't go too far forward to guard against counters.


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Post by RealGunner Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:55 pm

This is so boring
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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:58 pm

This ref is 100% sending one of our players off btw.

Some of the yellows he handed were lol worthy. Guy clearly wants to be the star.

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Post by 6unner Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:00 pm

When our only option of taking a ball up the center of the pitch is a long ball from our defense over the top hoping that someone can run under it. Not really sure what you expect our CF to do. Then when they attack they run right up the center with it being open with us packing the sides.

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Post by 6unner Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:01 pm

@Jay29 wrote:This ref is 100% sending one of our players off btw.

Some of the yellows he handed were lol worthy. Guy clearly wants to be the star.


Agree, I will be amazed if we do not finish a man down.

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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:07 pm

Leno :facepalm:

This is a defeat. Can't see us scoring at all.

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Post by Sri Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:25 pm

Luiz thinks otherwise (-:

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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:25 pm

Set-piece get us level.

The team's woken up and is actually playing with some balls now.

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Post by Sri Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:28 pm

FFS should've kept Emi and sold this clown instead :facepalm:

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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:29 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Leno :facepalm:

This is a defeat. Can't see us scoring at all.


Knew exactly what I was doing. :coffee:

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Post by AnJl Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:30 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Shite once again going forward.

Pepe gets the ball and coughs it up a second later. Lacazette cannot hold the ball up surrounded by defenders. Nketiah is a ghost on the flank.

Nobody moves. Nobody links-up. It's so damn boring to watch.


The last point is not talked as often, the players just refuse to fucking move at times. No one pulls away, no one runs behind, no one comes for the ball, they are only worried about the damn shape.

Add to the fact that everytime they get the ball, they look to pass it back. No one takes on opposition players. Get ball to feet, pass wide, get blocked, pass back.

Pepe for some reason has forgotten how to dribble.
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Post by AnJl Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:31 pm

@Sri wrote:FFS should've kept Emi and sold this clown instead :facepalm:


I agree, we should have kept Emi.
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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:32 pm

Since Rapid's goal, the team has shown more attacking ambition. Don't know why it's taken so long but now players are running with the ball, making runs behind, playing the ball in behind, etc.

This sort of direct attacking play suits this squad better than attempting to open teams up with clever passing and movement.

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Post by Sri Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:35 pm

I real like Gabriel. Looks like a good buy.

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Post by 6unner Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:37 pm

Take Nketiah off for Auba and instantly look better.

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Post by Sri Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:39 pm

Well Nketiah on the wing wasn't a good idea to start with I guess. Is AMN on the bench? How many subs are allowed in EL?

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Post by AnJl Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:41 pm

See? When they finally start to fucking run and move, it becomes unstoppable.

Its surprising how poor Arteta's Arsenal has been poor going forward, especially considering how smooth they were at the start of his reign (that first half last season at Palace comes to mind)

I know they have gotten more defensive, but its like they forgot to link up and run
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Post by AnJl Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:43 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Since Rapid's goal, the team has shown more attacking ambition. Don't know why it's taken so long but now players are running with the ball, making runs behind, playing the ball in behind, etc.

This sort of direct attacking play suits this squad better than attempting to open teams up with clever passing and movement.


Clever passing still requires the others to move around and pull defenders from their deep block
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Post by Jay29 Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:16 pm

Partey, Gabriel, Elneny and Luiz had strong games. Bar Leno cocking up a few passes, the core of the team did a good job.

The attacking problems are a huge concern, though, because even against so called weaker teams, we don't create enough chances.

I maintain the issue is with the wing-backs. A 3ATB system needs those wing-backs to either play high and wide for structure, or penetrate. But Arteta likes his wing-backs going inside and moving into the half-spaces, while moving the wingers out wide for width. Problem is there's nobody in the centre space for the wing-backs to connect with when they go inside. In addition, a player like Cedric is not going to offer much quality in those spaces in comparison to Pepe or Willian.

Bellerin made a difference when he came on because he attacked space. Cedric is like a classic full back who wants to cross from deep. He doesn't provide enough attacking threat to be a RWB.

On the other side, Saka plays narrow so Tierney or Kolasinac can attack the left flank, but teams have gotten wise to this recently.

In general, there's not enough risk taking on the ball. If a deep block isn't coming out, you can disrupt the shape with dribbling because it commits defenders. There's too much "oh no, there's no space in behind, better pass backwards or else we'll lose possession" going on. Don't know if it's the players or Arteta discouraging that because our defence is weak.

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Post by El Gunner Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:20 pm

glad i didn't watch
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Post by AnJl Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:08 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Partey, Gabriel, Elneny and Luiz had strong games. Bar Leno cocking up a few passes, the core of the team did a good job.

The attacking problems are a huge concern, though, because even against so called weaker teams, we don't create enough chances.

I maintain the issue is with the wing-backs. A 3ATB system needs those wing-backs to either play high and wide for structure, or penetrate. But Arteta likes his wing-backs going inside and moving into the half-spaces, while moving the wingers out wide for width. Problem is there's nobody in the centre space for the wing-backs to connect with when they go inside. In addition, a player like Cedric is not going to offer much quality in those spaces in comparison to Pepe or Willian.

Bellerin made a difference when he came on because he attacked space. Cedric is like a classic full back who wants to cross from deep. He doesn't provide enough attacking threat to be a RWB.

On the other side, Saka plays narrow so Tierney or Kolasinac can attack the left flank, but teams have gotten wise to this recently.

In general, there's not enough risk taking on the ball. If a deep block isn't coming out, you can disrupt the shape with dribbling because it commits defenders. There's too much "oh no, there's no space in behind, better pass backwards or else we'll lose possession" going on. Don't know if it's the players or Arteta discouraging that because our defence is weak.


Its got to be Arteta, no way he would let them be like this.
He also needs to stop telling the right wing back to come in and winger to go wide. Why not interchange? They have patterns and stick to it, even when its not working out. Its like they sacrifice being footballers to make sure the defense doesn't mess up.
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Post by Sri Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:26 pm

@Jay29 wrote: There's too much "oh no, there's no space in behind, better pass backwards or else we'll lose possession" going on.


THIS! This has to be THE MOST frustrating thing about watching Arsenal the last few weeks.

@AnJl wrote:Its like they sacrifice being footballers to make sure the defense doesn't mess up.


I too think there is a deeply ingrained fear of conceding, because our defense has been shite for years. That's why a 1-0 loss feels like a decent compromise, rather than having to watch another 8-2 or 6-1 silent

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