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Post by Harmonica Sat 19 Jun - 11:01:52

“No player in the history of football has more goals and assists in international tournaments than Lionel Messi (37)."

Most career official direct free kick goals

75 Marcelinho Carioca
74 Roberto Dinamite
70+ Van Hooijdonk
70 Juninho Pernambucano
66 Victor Antonio Legrotaglie
64 Marcos Assunҫão
64 Zico
63 Ronaldinho
62 Maradona
60+ Koeman
60+ Platini
57 Messi
57 Kostas Frantzeskos
56 Ceni
55 Cronaldo
54 Beckham
50+ Mihajlović
50+ Nelinho
50 Del Piero
50 Nakamura

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Post by Harmonica Sat 19 Jun - 21:11:52

“Brazil created 3 big chances for Neymar against Venezuela. Big chances created by Argentina teammates for Messi since 2017, 2.

There are 50+ defenders in international football who have had more big chances created for them than Messi, past 4 years.”
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Post by neuro11 Sat 19 Jun - 21:16:10

Harmonica wrote:“No player in the history of football has more goals and assists in international tournaments than Lionel Messi (37)."

Most career official direct free kick goals

75 Marcelinho Carioca
74 Roberto Dinamite
70+ Van Hooijdonk
70 Juninho Pernambucano
66 Victor Antonio Legrotaglie
64 Marcos Assunҫão
64 Zico
63 Ronaldinho
62 Maradona
60+ Koeman
60+ Platini
57 Messi
57 Kostas Frantzeskos
56 Ceni
55 Cronaldo
54 Beckham
50+ Mihajlović
50+ Nelinho
50 Del Piero
50 Nakamura


Good to see this interesting list....

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Post by terrance511 Sat 19 Jun - 22:56:32

interesting indeed
thought beckham would be top10.
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Post by Harmonica Tue 29 Jun - 11:54:12

Became Argentina's most capped player.

148 Messi (75+53)
147 Mascherano
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Post by Harmonica Sun 11 Jul - 15:05:04

Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...
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Post by Harmonica Sun 11 Jul - 17:05:35

The first player to win major tournament including best player, top scorer and top assister.

FIFA World Cup u20 2005
-Golden Ball
-Golden Boot

Olympic Gold 2008

Copa America 2007 runner-up

Fifa World Cup 2014 runner-up
-Golden Ball

Copa America 2015 runner-up
-Best Player

Copa America 2016 runner-up

Copa America 2021
-Best Player
-Golden Boot
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Post by BarcaLearning Mon 12 Jul - 3:19:44

Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Mon 12 Jul - 6:09:37

BarcaLearning wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz

Since 1998 it was never awarded to the tournament winner. Though yeah, Ronaldo in 2002 has the strongest case of winning it from the winning team.
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Post by Harmonica Mon 12 Jul - 10:03:25

BarcaLearning wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz
I've thorough analyze of it, and most notable WC-performances in this thread: https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t36526p100-most-controversial-world-cup-golden-ball-s-since-1966?highlight=golden+ball

Compared to Ronaldo 98, Ronaldo 02 scored more, but mostly because his team created more chance's for him, Ronaldo 02 scored slightly worse ratio 8 from 27 great chance's than Ronaldo 98 (4/12), and they are almost as important, 53% vs 50%. Ronaldo 98 dribbled more, but created less chance's. Ronaldo 98 it's almost identical performance to the final, the final performance setting them apart, and I think it equals Charlton's 66 performance overall.

I've to tell you I can understand the reason why Khan was voted for Golden Ball even without watching his performance, if he was amazing. It was done before final, and Ronaldo didn't impress me, and even in the final Ronaldo missed 2 1on1's against Khan, so it's pretty even performance in the final also.

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World Cup performance index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

1.
Maradona 86
Messi 14

3.
Kempes 78
4.
Jairzinho 70

5.
Robben 14
Cruyff 74
7.
Forlan 10
8.
Romario 94
9.
Eusebio 66
Pele 70
Rossi 82

12.
G.Müller 70
Schillaci 90
Suker 98
15.
Ronaldo 02
Charlton 66
Modric 18
18.
Ronaldo 98
19.
Zidane 06
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Post by danyjr Mon 12 Jul - 11:32:57

I would genuinely give Harmonica a honorary degree in Messilogy if I owned a university.
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Post by Harmonica Mon 12 Jul - 15:23:45

danyjr wrote:I would genuinely give Harmonica a honorary degree in Messilogy if I owned a university.
Proud

I would also lecture about history of football statistics and Uefadrid corruption, that I helped to popularize and expose, respectively.
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Post by BarcaLearning Mon 12 Jul - 18:29:31

Thanks for that reply Harmonica, great stuff Thumbs up
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Post by Harmonica Mon 12 Jul - 20:05:41

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Post by Kebab Tue 3 Aug - 14:01:42

This Pepe Costa guy have the best job in the world. Simple, just follow messi wherever he goes

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Post by Myesyats Tue 3 Aug - 19:42:31

I don't even know what his role at the club is. Read somewhere he "assists the players in their integration into the city and the club" but usually he just hangs out with Messi
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu 5 Aug - 18:55:49

So who will sign Messi on a free?

The lolz if he signs for PSG
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Post by Harmonica Mon 9 Aug - 13:06:53

Seasonal whoscored.com (opta) ratings 09-21
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12 seasons, 9x 1st, 2x 2nd and once 3rd.


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Post by El Gunner Mon 9 Aug - 13:58:53

09/10 Cesc was different :bow:
what did Neymar do in 17/18 to get the highest rating on that list Laughing
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Post by Harmonica Mon 9 Aug - 14:16:17

Neymar 17-18 is slightly inflated because he played so few games, or had more energy per game. Still a great season I think, probably his peak. Top 3 individual seasons for me since 2009 are 1. Messi 14-15, 2. Messi 11-12 and 3. Messi 10-11.

Messi's average rating from 09- is 8.61 and he's still banging around that and not really showing any decline. Unlike Cronaldo whos decline clearly started in 16-17.

Messi worst rated season was 8.35 in 13-14 where he played injured, and it's still only topped by six other individual seasons, other than Messi's.
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Post by Harmonica Fri 13 Aug - 10:55:55

From "doesn't perform" with Argentina, to best NT-player ever.
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Messi
WCu20, Golden Ball
Olympic Gold
WC runner-up, Golden Ball
CA, 3x runner-up, 2x Golden Ball

Maradona
WCu20, Golden Ball
WC, WC runner-up, Golden Ball, Bronze Ball

Cronaldo
Euro, Euro runner-up
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Post by El Gunner Fri 13 Aug - 14:27:23

Messi is the only ever player to win MVP (best player of the tournament) in every tournament he has every played in.
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Post by El Gunner Fri 13 Aug - 17:00:24

lol?
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Post by Harmonica Wed 1 Sep - 12:13:41

Reims vs PSG drew over 10.5 Million TV viewers, making it the most watched Ligue 1 match in France TV history.

Lionel Messi's debut with Paris Saint-Germain averaged over 2.2 million viewers in Spain, making it the most-watched French football game in Spain ever and making it the most-watched programme in the country Sunday.
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