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Post by Harmonica Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:01 am

“No player in the history of football has more goals and assists in international tournaments than Lionel Messi (37)."

Most career official direct free kick goals

75 Marcelinho Carioca
74 Roberto Dinamite
70+ Van Hooijdonk
70 Juninho Pernambucano
66 Victor Antonio Legrotaglie
64 Marcos Assunҫão
64 Zico
63 Ronaldinho
62 Maradona
60+ Koeman
60+ Platini
57 Messi
57 Kostas Frantzeskos
56 Ceni
55 Cronaldo
54 Beckham
50+ Mihajlović
50+ Nelinho
50 Del Piero
50 Nakamura

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Post by Harmonica Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:11 pm

“Brazil created 3 big chances for Neymar against Venezuela. Big chances created by Argentina teammates for Messi since 2017, 2.

There are 50+ defenders in international football who have had more big chances created for them than Messi, past 4 years.”
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Post by neuro11 Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:16 pm

@Harmonica wrote:“No player in the history of football has more goals and assists in international tournaments than Lionel Messi (37)."

Most career official direct free kick goals

75 Marcelinho Carioca
74 Roberto Dinamite
70+ Van Hooijdonk
70 Juninho Pernambucano
66 Victor Antonio Legrotaglie
64 Marcos Assunҫão
64 Zico
63 Ronaldinho
62 Maradona
60+ Koeman
60+ Platini
57 Messi
57 Kostas Frantzeskos
56 Ceni
55 Cronaldo
54 Beckham
50+ Mihajlović
50+ Nelinho
50 Del Piero
50 Nakamura


Good to see this interesting list....

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Post by terrance511 Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:56 pm

interesting indeed
thought beckham would be top10.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:54 am

Became Argentina's most capped player.

148 Messi (75+53)
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Post by Harmonica Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:05 pm

Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...
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Post by Harmonica Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:05 pm

The first player to win major tournament including best player, top scorer and top assister.

FIFA World Cup u20 2005
-Golden Ball
-Golden Boot

Olympic Gold 2008

Copa America 2007 runner-up

Fifa World Cup 2014 runner-up
-Golden Ball

Copa America 2015 runner-up
-Best Player

Copa America 2016 runner-up

Copa America 2021
-Best Player
-Golden Boot
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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:19 am

@Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz
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Post by Superstone Mariomintsch Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:09 am

@BarcaLearning wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz

Since 1998 it was never awarded to the tournament winner. Though yeah, Ronaldo in 2002 has the strongest case of winning it from the winning team.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:03 am

@BarcaLearning wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:Equals Jose Nasazzi with the most best player performances in major NT-tournaments.

Major NT-tournaments best player performances.

3 Messi WC14 CA15/21
3 Jose Nasazzi WC30 CA23/35
2 Pele WC70 CA59-1
2 Ronaldo WC98 CA97
2 Zidane WC06 EU00
1 ...


Interesting that Ronaldo in WC2002 beats everyone to win it, top scorer, and they gave the award to Kahn instead? Razz
I've thorough analyze of it, and most notable WC-performances in this thread: https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t36526p100-most-controversial-world-cup-golden-ball-s-since-1966?highlight=golden+ball

Compared to Ronaldo 98, Ronaldo 02 scored more, but mostly because his team created more chance's for him, Ronaldo 02 scored slightly worse ratio 8 from 27 great chance's than Ronaldo 98 (4/12), and they are almost as important, 53% vs 50%. Ronaldo 98 dribbled more, but created less chance's. Ronaldo 98 it's almost identical performance to the final, the final performance setting them apart, and I think it equals Charlton's 66 performance overall.

I've to tell you I can understand the reason why Khan was voted for Golden Ball even without watching his performance, if he was amazing. It was done before final, and Ronaldo didn't impress me, and even in the final Ronaldo missed 2 1on1's against Khan, so it's pretty even performance in the final also.

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World Cup performance index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

1.
Maradona 86
Messi 14

3.
Kempes 78
4.
Jairzinho 70

5.
Robben 14
Cruyff 74
7.
Forlan 10
8.
Romario 94
9.
Eusebio 66
Pele 70
Rossi 82

12.
G.Müller 70
Schillaci 90
Suker 98
15.
Ronaldo 02
Charlton 66
Modric 18
18.
Ronaldo 98
19.
Zidane 06
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Post by danyjr Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:32 am

I would genuinely give Harmonica a honorary degree in Messilogy if I owned a university.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:23 pm

@danyjr wrote:I would genuinely give Harmonica a honorary degree in Messilogy if I owned a university.
Proud

I would also lecture about history of football statistics and Uefadrid corruption, that I helped to popularize and expose, respectively.
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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:29 pm

Thanks for that reply Harmonica, great stuff Thumbs up
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