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Post by Babun Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:41 pm

@Harmonica wrote:

That's damn long to hold not buying 3080. Mad

https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-card-test-leaks-online

Just 30% over 2080 Ti ..

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Post by Harmonica Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:52 pm

Yeah, not that impressive leap on performance. Although perf/price doubles. I would probably need new PSU too, as my 550W Truepower is about 8 years old and out of warranty.
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Post by Harmonica Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:22 pm

 
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Post by M99 Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:34 am

@Harmonica wrote:
@Vibe wrote:I honestly have no idea why people discuss all these gaming cards and processors every two weeks when you can just buy a Playstation and game for like 7 years like a boss.
Consoles are for peasants. They do what lord says them to do, they play like lord wants them to play (no mods), they pay what lord wants them to pay (game taxes) and they aren't allowed to wear the armor of PC knights (superior tech). I rather be a knight, than a peasant.


@Babun wrote:
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The cringe level of these posts are higher than Vin Diesel interviews.
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Post by Babun Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:56 am

@M99 wrote:
@Harmonica wrote:
@Vibe wrote:I honestly have no idea why people discuss all these gaming cards and processors every two weeks when you can just buy a Playstation and game for like 7 years like a boss.
Consoles are for peasants. They do what lord says them to do, they play like lord wants them to play (no mods), they pay what lord wants them to pay (game taxes) and they aren't allowed to wear the armor of PC knights (superior tech). I rather be a knight, than a peasant.


@Babun wrote:
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The cringe level of these posts are higher than Vin Diesel interviews.

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@harmonica

RX 6000 series engineering sample spotted:
https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-amd-radeon-rx-6000-engineering-sample-spotted
Looks like 16GB 16GBs Samsung memory, much better than any Nvidia offering bar RTX 3090 for the next gen.
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Post by Harmonica Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 am

256bit bus though, sounds like mid tier offering in 6000-series. I'm fairly sure they'll offer HBM2 in the highest model.
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Post by Babun Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:12 pm

@Harmonica wrote:256bit bus though, sounds like mid tier offering in 6000-series. I'm fairly sure they'll offer HBM2 in the highest model.

That's navi22 with 320mm² die size, navi21 (big BigNavi) will be 505mm² and have HBM2e memory:
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Post by Harmonica Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:19 pm

Could be right. But there's awful lot of fake sources sending fake stuff ahead, pretending to be some corporate employee, I'm fairly sure even the corporations do this themselves. 6 weeks to go until we really know. Mad
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Post by Harmonica Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:42 pm

If Big Navi is going to be produced the optimized 7nm+ process it will have almost 2x transistor density, and it could overtake Nvidia. Already decided to skip 3080, at least until AMD has their say.

Rank Process Name Approximate Transistor Density (MTr/mm²)
#1 TSMC’s 5nm EUV 171.3
#2 TSMC’s 7nm+ EUV 115.8
#4 Intel’s 10nm 100.8*
#5 TSMC’s 7nm (Mobile) 96.5
#6 Samsung’s 7nm EUV 95.3
#7 TSMC’s 7nm (HPC) 66.7 (AMD RX 5xxx)
#8 Samsung’s 8nm 61.2 (Nvidia 3xxx)
#9 TSMC’s 10nm 60.3
#10 Samsung’s 10nm 51.8
#11 Intel’s 14nm 43.5
#12 GlobalFoundries 12nm 36.7
#13 TSMC’s 12nm 33.8 (Nvidia 2xxx)
#14 Samsung / GlobalFoundries 14nm 32.5 (AMD RX Vega)
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Post by Harmonica Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:47 pm

3080 exactly 2x 5700 XT.
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Post by Harmonica Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:06 am

Paper launch, Amp'where lmao.
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Post by Babun Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:53 am

@Harmonica wrote:Paper launch, Amp'where lmao.

A bit more to it but yeah:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/17/21443901/nvidia-rtx-3080-ebay-reselling-sold-out-shortages

There is a reddit user, out of frustration he went out of his way and wrote a scipt which bid for ebay offers upwards of 25000$ with no chance for the seller to sell their item because no one would buy for that price. PS5 handled its preorders just as badly if you look at the PS5 thread over here. Let's see how Microsoft is going to handle its preorders. I heard, they'll introduce a 2 per person limit and a visual captcha just before the pressing the confirmation button to avoid all of that mess.
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Post by Harmonica Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:34 pm

I think this is yet another clue that Nvidia is afraid of Big Navi, and was forced to release before they had reasonable stock of gpus, and get good publicity going.
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Post by Babun Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:14 pm

@Harmonica wrote:I think this is yet another clue that Nvidia is afraid of Big Navi, and was forced to release before they had reasonable stock of gpus, and get good publicity going.

I'm not in a hurry to buy anything. I got rid of my GTX 1080 Ti for 490€ on ebay before Ampere launched, sold my PS4 controllers, too.
I'll get a pair of the dual sense controllers and a new video card after everything is launched and is available.
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Post by Babun Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:44 pm

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This is nothing. Almost every PC owner fullfills the recommended requirements, the only caveat might be a SSD. I got one long ago when I go annoyed by loading times.
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Post by Babun Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:48 pm

RTX 3090 is only 10% faster than RTX 3080 in games but costs more than twice as much (699$ vs. 1499$):
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out

Nvidia rofl
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Post by Harmonica Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:04 am

Yeah that's predictable as 3090 has only 20% more cores and memory bandwidth to 3080 at same clocks. Stupid release. Nvidia is probably betting AMD not reaching 3090 performance, so they could milk anything. But as AMD promises 50% perf/watt increase, doubling CU's from 40 5700XT to Big Navi 80 would give 3080 performance at about 300W. 3090 is 350W so I think AMD can rise the clocks enough to reach 3090 at 350W. All this still means probably new PSU for me.
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Post by Babun Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:48 am

@Harmonica wrote:Yeah that's predictable as 3090 has only 20% more cores and memory bandwidth to 3080 at same clocks. Stupid release. Nvidia is probably betting AMD not reaching 3090 performance, so they could milk anything. But as AMD promises 50% perf/watt increase, doubling CU's from 40 5700XT to Big Navi 80 would give 3080 performance at about 300W. 3090 is 350W so I think AMD can rise the clocks enough to reach 3090 at 350W. All this still means probably new PSU for me.

Apparently, one could limit RTX 3080's power target to 270W nd it'd be just 5% slower Laughing I don't know why Nvidia squeezed everything beyound the sweet spot just to get 5% more performance (50W). Whatever, I'sold everything, just wainting for november. If BigNavi flops I could get a readily available RTX 3080 (20GB version was announced). I don't care whether it'll cost 1000€ with the 20GB, just wanna have my peace for the next 4 years.
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Post by Babun Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:57 pm

Hold your horses with the RTX 3080!
Igor, a reviewer and electrical engineer from Germany tested the GDDR6x temperatures of the RTX 3080 with a temperature camera and found some of them to be 107 degee Celcius hot! The max specification by Micron ist 105 degrees Very Happy


Ironically, there're reports everywhere that RTX 3080 cards keep crashing Very Happy
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-3080-sees-increasing-reports-of-crashes-in-games
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Post by Harmonica Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:34 pm

https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-21-22-and-23-massive-technical-specification-leaked/

Navi 21: 80CU, 2,2GHz boost, 16GB
Navi 22: 40CU, 2,5GHz boost, 12GB

Nvidia fked.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:44 pm

Intel be fked too.

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Post by Babun Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:36 pm

@Harmonica wrote:Intel be fked too.

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Ouch, that gonna hurt badly Laughing
BTW, Nvidia released a driver which slows down their cards by 5%, they're still crashing to desktop Very Happy
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Post by Harmonica Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:53 am

Yeah have to hope Big Navi delivers as I would much rather buy AMD product currently.
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Post by Babun Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:57 pm

@Harmonica wrote:Yeah have to hope Big Navi delivers as I would much rather buy AMD product currently.

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Points in the red are the confirmed rumors in the sense that more than one source stated the same Very Happy
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Post by Harmonica Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:46 am

Second worst generational leap after Turding.

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