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Post by Vibe on Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:14 pm

Haven't been here a while.

Don't know what the situation is around the world, but our department is maxed out, every bed we have is full and we're taking over other departments so we can cope with the new arrivals.

It is at least twice as bad compared to the worst point of the first wave.

My wife tested positive unfortunately. I am still negative. We work ridiculous shifts, so no surprise. Especially her, who at one point worked 22 hours, went to sleep for 2, then worked another 22, slept for 2, then another 7 hours of work. Then she got fever and tested positive.

At least we get some rest now at home, as we are quarantined.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:19 pm

stay strong vibe, hope your wife has a speedy recovery

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Post by Warrior on Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:54 pm

What else can i say: i wish she will resist the virus and respect for your resilience
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:38 pm

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I expect this to be all red 2 weeks after this july 4th weekend

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Post by Babun on Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:35 pm

Those numbers are skewed by now. The infection rate increases exponentially. By now, it shouldn't be possible to measure the number of infected with tests alone. One needs to take representative samples of the population in a region and the scale up in percentages.

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Post by El Gunner on Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:45 pm

sending positive energy to you and your missus Vibe :prayerhands:

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Post by Babun on Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:17 am

The situation in India is slowly getting out of hand:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/indias-covid-19-recovery-rate-now-at-595-/1896934

The state Maharashtra with 112 million population has got as many deaths as Germany during the whole pandemic in total now. They're heading towards a Bergamo scenario..

Science:
The existence of the new strain has been confirmed. There is no significant difference between the mutated one and the other strains except for up to 6 times more virus production during the asymptomatic phase (begin of the infection without symptoms).
Researchers from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and Duke University in North Carolina partnered with the University of Sheffield's COVID-19 Genomics UK research group. The scientists found the current variant of the virus — D614G — makes a small but significant change in the protein that protrudes from the surface of the virus that it uses to invade and infect human cells.

Initial results shared in April were criticized for not proving the mutation itself was responsible for its domination. Other factors or chance could have played a role, critics said

The research team carried out additional experiments, analyzing data of 999 British patients hospitalized with COVID-19. They observed that those with the variant had more viral particles in them, but it had no effect on the severity of their disease.

Laboratory experiments have, meanwhile, shown that the variant is three to six times more capable of infecting human cells.
https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-coronavirus-spreads-faster-than-original-study/a-54034723

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:32 pm

239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:42 pm

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:31 pm

@RealGunner wrote:239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html
It surprises me how we can still be 'finding' stuff like this in july, and it seems clear that the most important roadblock to progress is politics

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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:44 pm

Most new cases here seem to develop in tight, enclosed spaces aka weddings etc. I'm not sure why these ceremonies havent been banned yet. Every other day in the news they're talking about another jump of cases that can be traced back to weddings.

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Post by Myesyats on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:32 am

Does tuberculosis vaccine help with going through corona? I'm hearing we haven't had many deaths because Tuberculosisvaccine is mandatory here while it is voluntary in the West

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Post by Babun on Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:57 pm

First Boris now Bolsonaro:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-positive-test-brazil-president

Oh, the irony Laughing

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Post by Art Morte on Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:32 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

"UK neurologists publish details of mildly affected or recovering Covid-19 patients with serious or potentially fatal brain conditions."


This illness is a real bitch. To a layman it sounds like the most complex disease to ever exist lol.
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Post by Babun on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:34 pm

@Art Morte wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

"UK neurologists publish details of mildly affected or recovering Covid-19 patients with serious or potentially fatal brain conditions."


This illness is a real bitch. To a layman it sounds like the most complex disease to ever exist lol.

Bit of fear mongering, all coronaviruses are known to attack the CNS, even the common influenza does. The prevalence is very small though and mostly hits aged population.

In the US, the number of deaths is going sky high from 378 to 993 to almost pre lockdown levels. I think number of deaths due to the Wuhan virus is a better indicator of the pandemic in a region than the total number of infected. According to that, UK isn't over the hill but the lockdown is over. It might cause a second wave like in US. I wouldn't visit UK or feel safe there as of now.

The outbreak in Israel is out of control. They had it "under control" just weeks ago.

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Post by CBarca on Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:13 pm

Numbers from yesterday are likely caused by a holiday weekend (Independence Day). Deaths are already underreported on weekends leading to higher Tues-Fri death tallies, but that's even more prevalent on a holiday weekend.

With that being said, in the US it's pretty clear deaths are plateauing where they were declining before, and multiple states are beginning to see increases in deaths.

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Post by Thimmy on Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:01 am



I don't know if I believe that vitamin D deficiency is a decisive factor in determining the extent to which people become ill from the Covid virus. Most people, up here in the nordic region, have a vitamin D deficiency. It's quite well documented. We don't typically have long periods of sun throughout the year, and so we naturally produce less of it biologically.

It also makes me wonder why people in countries like, Indonesia are vitamin A deficient. They should be absorbing it all day, every day. I suppose, like she points out, the lockdown probably restricted their access to the sun.

Excluding Sweden, the nordic countries are doing relatively well in this pandemic, so far. Her explanation does make some sense. It would explain that report from the UK, where the greater proportion of the most badly infected had a darker complexion. I do think it sounds a bit too convenient. It's going to be interesting to see how much more science can figure out about this virus in the future.

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Post by Babun on Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:55 am

@Thimmy wrote:

I don't know if I believe that vitamin D deficiency is a decisive factor in determining the extent to which people become ill from the Covid virus. Most people, up here in the nordic region, have a vitamin D deficiency. It's quite well documented. We don't typically have long periods of sun throughout the year, and so we naturally produce less of it biologically.

It also makes me wonder why people in countries like, Indonesia are vitamin A deficient. They should be absorbing it all day, every day. I suppose, like she points out, the lockdown probably restricted their access to the sun.

Excluding Sweden, the nordic countries are doing relatively well in this pandemic, so far. Her explanation does make some sense. It would explain that report from the UK, where the greater proportion of the most badly infected had a darker complexion. I do think it sounds a bit too convenient. It's going to be interesting to see how much more science can figure out about this virus in the future.

People from the northern regions have also got lower bone density, specially men, osteoporosis is also more common with women when they age. That's why white swimmers are dominant, they float better. So the adaptation isn't just fairer skin, the body itself is built weaker due to the defecit. In case of the Wuhan virus, it's helpful to have a very strong immune system to attack it at first (high vitamin D dosis helps) in the nasal area. If it makes it to the lungs, a weaker immune response is more favourabe.
BTW sportczy, are you alright? You can write a PM.

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Post by El Gunner on Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:30 am

is he in legal trouble? did he shoot someone? 👀

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Post by Babun on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:53 pm

@El Gunner wrote:is he in legal trouble? did he shoot someone? 👀

Not that I know off. He was pissed off with the way the arguments here went on about "left vs right" etc.
He is a NYC resident though and a risiko patient on top so I hope he is okay.

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Post by Art Morte on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:11 pm

@Thimmy wrote:

I don't know if I believe that vitamin D deficiency is a decisive factor in determining the extent to which people become ill from the Covid virus. Most people, up here in the nordic region, have a vitamin D deficiency. It's quite well documented. We don't typically have long periods of sun throughout the year, and so we naturally produce less of it biologically.

It also makes me wonder why people in countries like, Indonesia are vitamin A deficient. They should be absorbing it all day, every day. I suppose, like she points out, the lockdown probably restricted their access to the sun.

Excluding Sweden, the nordic countries are doing relatively well in this pandemic, so far. Her explanation does make some sense. It would explain that report from the UK, where the greater proportion of the most badly infected had a darker complexion. I do think it sounds a bit too convenient. It's going to be interesting to see how much more science can figure out about this virus in the future.


Vitamin D could play a part, as much has been said by a Harvard health professor so far.

In Finland vitamin D is added to milk and some other dairy products, to compensate for the lack of sunlight.
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Post by Myesyats on Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:57 pm

@Vibe, maybe this guy was at your facility hmm


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Post by El Gunner on Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:29 pm

my man expected the heavens to open up and Angels to come down rofl rofl that's not how spirituality works

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Post by Thimmy on Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:24 pm

@Art Morte wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:

I don't know if I believe that vitamin D deficiency is a decisive factor in determining the extent to which people become ill from the Covid virus. Most people, up here in the nordic region, have a vitamin D deficiency. It's quite well documented. We don't typically have long periods of sun throughout the year, and so we naturally produce less of it biologically.

It also makes me wonder why people in countries like, Indonesia are vitamin A deficient. They should be absorbing it all day, every day. I suppose, like she points out, the lockdown probably restricted their access to the sun.

Excluding Sweden, the nordic countries are doing relatively well in this pandemic, so far. Her explanation does make some sense. It would explain that report from the UK, where the greater proportion of the most badly infected had a darker complexion. I do think it sounds a bit too convenient. It's going to be interesting to see how much more science can figure out about this virus in the future.


Vitamin D could play a part, as much has been said by a Harvard health professor so far.

In Finland vitamin D is added to milk and some other dairy products, to compensate for the lack of sunlight.


We add vitamin D to milk here, as well. And a lot of people, including myself, take Omega-3 supplements. But my point stands; we don't produce a lot of it, biologically.

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Post by VivaStPauli on Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:04 pm

I think biologically speaking fair-skinned Northerners produce even more vitamin D than people with darker complexions, it's just that once you go far enough North, the angle at which the sun's rays impact the atmosphere means you can't really absorb enough of the right kind of sunlight to produce vitamin D. But it's not that your body sucks at making the D, it's that you need to move south, because humans are biologically more suited to live close to the equator.
I mean obviously there's ways to compensate. Humans have been living up north just fine for milennia.

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Post by Thimmy on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:10 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:I think biologically speaking fair-skinned Northerners produce even more vitamin D than people with darker complexions, it's just that once you go far enough North, the angle at which the sun's rays impact the atmosphere means you can't really absorb enough of the right kind of sunlight to produce vitamin D. But it's not that your body sucks at making the D, it's that you need to move south, because humans are biologically more suited to live close to the equator.
I mean obviously there's ways to compensate. Humans have been living up north just fine for milennia.


I suppose that makes sense. Vitamin D supplements are very common here. A few times a year, the biggest media outlets write mildly hysterical articles about how we critically lack vitamin D and iodine, although those supplements sell like hot cakes, and I'm quite sure most of us get a decent amount of omega 3 through our diets. We add omega 3 to certain types of bread, milk, among other things. I suppose nothing can compete with direct sunlight, in that regard.

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