Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 3

[Warrior]

Canada-US border is locked until july 21st, they extended for one month and it's a good decision

Here it's stabilized last i checked, life is slowly going back to normal, but social distancing is still respected. Crux of the problem is the nursing homes. Army had to intervene because of the lack of staff. The report they made was destroying Quebec and Ontario's nursing homes system. Our government responded with immediate formation of 10k employees.

[BarrileteCosmico]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6

For those of you that already got it, seems like you can't bank on immunity as soon as 2+ months from the infection.

If this is true it's hard to see how life will return to normal until a vaccine

[Babun]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6

For those of you that already got it, seems like you can't bank on immunity as soon as 2+ months from the infection.

If this is true it's hard to see how life will return to normal until a vaccine

The study is from China. I won't believe anything in it until proven correct somewhere else. China is actively involved in desinformation about the coronavirus in the west.

The second wave is looming over Europe, the situation in both Americas and India is getting worse.

It probably has a lot more to do with Memorial day parties (a week before) than BLM protests.

I'd say both to different degrees. We'll see the peak effects of BLM protests in a week.

[RealGunner]

I am sure many other sources have reported the same.

[Babun]

I am sure many other sources have reported the same.

They all refer to the study in Wangzou. If you have a similar study or a different source share please.

[Art Morte]

I don't think the increase in cases in America has anything to do with Black Lives protests and all to do with the country starting to open up before coming even close to beating the virus.

[Nishankly]

What do think about Sweden now? 1.5k cases per day, most cases in Europe as of now, no signs of stopping, no lockdown.

[CBarca]

BLM certainly has a role to play, but I wonder how much. Here in WI both the anti-lockdown protests and voting ended up not leading to the rise we thought we would get here in WI.

I think at this point we definitely know that the virus transmits much more effectively indoors, and especially amongst family units.

BLM has certainly played a role, but I think ascribing these spikes to reopening in general and especially Memorial Day get togethers is pretty appropriate.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Realistically there is no way that participation in the protests exceeds 5% of the population. I can guarantee that participation in Memorial Day festivities was significantly higher than that.

[Hapless_Hans]

Realistically there is no way that participation in the protests exceeds 5% of the population. I can guarantee that participation in Memorial Day festivities was significantly higher than that.

Especially in Florida and Texas

[Art Morte]

What do think about Sweden now? 1.5k cases per day, most cases in Europe as of now, no signs of stopping, no lockdown.

Finland had our first day of zero new cases on Thursday, two new cases today. Sweden 1,500 new daily cases, like you said. It's perfectly possible that Finland will get a second wave sooner or later as people start travelling across borders and become relaxed about the virus, but right now it reflects badly on Sweden.

Then again, if we never get a good vaccine, which is possible, I think everyone's approach will become "more Swedish", just leave it largely up to people themselves to take precautions, because we cannot stay in lockdown mode for years and years.

[BarrileteCosmico]

If it turns out that immunity only lasts 2-3 months that essentially means "herd immunity" is impossible and the Sweden model is going to fail. Time will tell.

That said, people are wfh and social distancing in Sweden anyways, just not because the govt told them to. So they're not truly a 100% herd immunity country.

[Nishankly]

What do think about Sweden now? 1.5k cases per day, most cases in Europe as of now, no signs of stopping, no lockdown.

Finland had our first day of zero new cases on Thursday, two new cases today. Sweden 1,500 new daily cases, like you said. It's perfectly possible that Finland will get a second wave sooner or later as people start travelling across borders and become relaxed about the virus, but right now it reflects badly on Sweden.

Then again, if we never get a good vaccine, which is possible, I think everyone's approach will become "more Swedish", just leave it largely up to people themselves to take precautions, because we cannot stay in lockdown mode for years and years.

Agreed.

I still think the initial lockdown was done to ensure that countries could prepare for the second wave. It has worked for most countries. Sweden will now face the second wave barely containing anything while other countries have the current clusters in their sight to attempt to stop the new ones.

[The Demon of Carthage]

Most Tunisians are absolutely livid that the government has decided against their will to open the borders and remove the compulsory quarantine imposed on any person going into the country.

1. From June, 27th, any person can enter the country without being quarantined. All they will have to do is present a negative test that was done the day before and that's it, they can enter.

2. At the beginning of the Covid outbreak, Tunisia didn't force people entering the country (including Tunisians living abroad) to be quarantined for 14 days under its supervision. The result of that mistake made the covid cases surge because many people didn't respect the instructions to isolate themselves and they immediately started mixing up with people. So the forced and supervised quarantine was introduced and it made the country way better.

Now, however they have decided to remove it and again rely on people to do the right thing and isolate themselves for 14 days before resuming their normal lives in the country. Just a couple days ago, a woman was helped to escape the forced quarantine by her fiance and she immediately went to a wedding. The results of her tests came later and it turned out she was positive. Man, I really wish I had the power to decide cases on criminals like her.

Most of us are absolutely livid with the government's suicidal approach and this could have dire consequences on the country after doing so well so far.

We don't know why the government has taken this stupid decision. Some say they are being forced to do so by powerful people in the county who don't want their businesses and hotels to stay without revenues. Whatever it is, it's a stupid, stupid decision.

[Guest]

What do think about Sweden now? 1.5k cases per day, most cases in Europe as of now, no signs of stopping, no lockdown.

Finland had our first day of zero new cases on Thursday, two new cases today. Sweden 1,500 new daily cases, like you said. It's perfectly possible that Finland will get a second wave sooner or later as people start travelling across borders and become relaxed about the virus, but right now it reflects badly on Sweden.

Then again, if we never get a good vaccine, which is possible, I think everyone's approach will become "more Swedish", just leave it largely up to people themselves to take precautions, because we cannot stay in lockdown mode for years and years.

Agreed.

I still think the initial lockdown was done to ensure that countries could prepare for the second wave. It has worked for most countries. Sweden will now face the second wave barely containing anything while other countries have the current clusters in their sight to attempt to stop the new ones.

I think taking precautions by people largely help in mitigating the spread but really for everyone sake esp. people who themselves or their families work in public domain *healthcare, public offices, stores, etc i fear that they will never get breaks ... already they are worn out but how long before it takes toll...
i shouldn't even be saying that ; so lets hope that vaccine is available or that people who recovered and their antibodies donation could help ..

[Guest]

Here in Japan,

- country has so far patients below 1000+ out of 16000+ has recovered out of 17700+ ;
- re entry of citizens, long term of residence, are allowed under certain conditions ; student visa / other visa holders applicants still not allowed
- as the country has reopened now fully ; people are advised still to work from home if possible ; any social events after 22:00 are not allowed - though not enforced by law
- Domestic travels within country is allowed for the first time starting this weekend
- As far as testing goes - again nothing has changed - no nation wide mass testing, if anyone has symptoms they are advised to stay home for 2 weeks ; almost all clinics locally has arranged online diagnostics made available ; as far as if condition goes worse will require doctor recommendation to be admitted in hospital
- nationwide abemask (named after PM shinjo abe has been sent to residents nationwide) and now people rather prefer awesome denim / uniqlo mask which is much fashionable and way better filtering and all - and they have cooling package added to mask so people can feel comfortable in summer called Airism mask

- meanwhile, AnGes Inc., a biopharmaceutical startup related to Osaka University will run human trials on July 30 and they announced if all goes will will have 1 million vaccine made available end of this year or start of

In The report card for Japan’s response to the coronavirus pandemic from the research arm of The Economist magazine is rated mediocre not surprised


Meanwhile in my prefecture, most of the private hospitals are building new infrastructures as well as decommissioning minor to non used spaces - even as far as building areas in parking spaces in preparation for next wave of coronavirus just in case. Sadly though these small hospitals and clinics are not govt supported hence has to be funded on their own pocket money

[Guest]

Most Tunisians are absolutely livid that the government has decided against their will to open the borders and remove the compulsory quarantine imposed on any person going into the country.

1. From June, 27th, any person can enter the country without being quarantined. All they will have to do is present a negative test that was done the day before and that's it, they can enter.

2. At the beginning of the Covid outbreak, Tunisia didn't force people entering the country (including Tunisians living abroad) to be quarantined for 14 days under its supervision. The result of that mistake made the covid cases surge because many people didn't respect the instructions to isolate themselves and they immediately started mixing up with people. So the forced and supervised quarantine was introduced and it made the country way better.

Now, however they have decided to remove it and again rely on people to do the right thing and isolate themselves for 14 days before resuming their normal lives in the country. Just a couple days ago, a woman was helped to escape the forced quarantine by her fiance and she immediately went to a wedding. The results of her tests came later and it turned out she was positive. Man, I really wish I had the power to decide cases on criminals like her.

Most of us are absolutely livid with the government's suicidal approach and this could have dire consequences on the country after doing so well so far.

We don't know why the government has taken this stupid decision. Some say they are being forced to do so by powerful people in the county who don't want their businesses and hotels to stay without revenues. Whatever it is, it's a stupid, stupid decision.

man i fear for the same thing that anywhere everywhere either the test certifications are not upto date or forged

we also had similar cases where people didn't listen and go out in events and we had like over 200+ cases a day just in tokyo, over 300+ nationwide - not to mention non registered cases would have existed so it was so messy! atleast thankfully there it was forced for the sake of protecting people ; here everytime there was surge - governers would hold meeting and look at each other not trying to take blame and go on same ok we will ask PM to make final decision - them PM "advises to do this do that" but here due to constitutional rights they couldnt enforce anything - even with revision of laws.

all the things u have summed up, more or less it is not just in Tunisia we have those problems here also Lol... which is again ... this shows we cant count on anyone

it was one of those good example u gave about weddings and here thats not even as valid reasons as ur country has...

here we still have needs to go see kyabakura (which is like hostess club) XD just google it

[Guest]

also Happy Midsummer to ya all - and stay safe ! and enjoy juicy meat and beer at home

[CBarca]

Drove with my mask on today, windows rolled down. Someone in a passing truck yelled at me to take my mask off

Which is partially why I wear it even when driving. It's probably petty, but for every person who just "owned a lib", I love the idea that they're bothered enough to mention the mask. I wasn't really paying attention so I couldn't tell anything back, unfortunately.

What an insane issue. It absolutely boggles the mind. America is a bastardization of freedom.

[Thimmy]

No new infections in my city since april. Even public swimming pools, saunas and cinemas will be opening up soon. Travel to other, nordic countries is possible. Apart from Sweden. Sweden fucked up

[Art Morte]

Apparently Mexico's covid-19 tests positive rate has reached 50%. (So, over half of those tested return a positive result). I don't think Italy, Spain or New York even in their worst hours got anywhere near that. There must be a ton of unreported cases in Mexico for the positive rate to be that high.

[Jay29]

Drove with my mask on today, windows rolled down. Someone in a passing truck yelled at me to take my mask off

Which is partially why I wear it even when driving. It's probably petty, but for every person who just "owned a lib", I love the idea that they're bothered enough to mention the mask. I wasn't really paying attention so I couldn't tell anything back, unfortunately.

What an insane issue. It absolutely boggles the mind. America is a bastardization of freedom.

Of all insanity happening right now, the idea that mask wearing is a violation of freedom is the one I cannot wrap my head around.

Meanwhile Hong Kong and Taiwan don't even need to be told to wear them because they have this sense of community in times of crisis.

Makes me jealous of them tbh. There's a lot about their way of life I wouldn't import over here but the collective and swift response to the pandemic is something to admire.

[Myesyats]

Their "sense of community" is mostly based on the fact that individual people dont matter, which is just wrong from the get-go. Everyone has intrinsic value and the individual is more important than the collective.

When you take a stance where the collective is more important than the individual, naturally the individual loses value. And that's dangerous in every possible way.

Then it becomes "morally justifiable" to do with the individual whatever you desire for the good of the collective. A good response to the pandemic is not reason to throw away our core liberal values because in the long run, it may not be pretty.

[Babun]

Drove with my mask on today, windows rolled down. Someone in a passing truck yelled at me to take my mask off

Which is partially why I wear it even when driving. It's probably petty, but for every person who just "owned a lib", I love the idea that they're bothered enough to mention the mask. I wasn't really paying attention so I couldn't tell anything back, unfortunately.

What an insane issue. It absolutely boggles the mind. America is a bastardization of freedom.

Of all insanity happening right now, the idea that mask wearing is a violation of freedom is the one I cannot wrap my head around.

Meanwhile Hong Kong and Taiwan don't even need to be told to wear them because they have this sense of community in times of crisis.

Makes me jealous of them tbh. There's a lot about their way of life I wouldn't import over here but the collective and swift response to the pandemic is something to admire.

True freedom ends where the freedom of the other people starts. In that sense, that dude didn't have any f***ing business to tell him whether to wear a mask or not.
As far as the collective goes, the balance is important. For example, we have federal states, lots of left or right opinions all over the Germany. Even the coronavirus rules are different from state to state. One would regard it as a weakness but in comparison to France or UK which gouvernments are very centristic around Paris and London the federal states reacted much faster to the situation without anyone telling them from above and they did so with a plan cut for their local population.
It's a little bit like big companies. Lots of little companies come up with more solutions, the good one emerges as the winner. In big companies, the good idea is sorted out before it is tested then everyone has to follow suit with it. It might be very good given the vast resources over a little company or might go really bad. The damage would be also higher.
So there you have it, I also think the masquarade outside is a joke. The vast amount of infections happens when someone is in an enclosed room long enough without proper protection gear (FFP3 or N95 mask with swimming goggles which almost noone has). The best solution is to not meet anyone in enclosed spaces or minimize the time in public enclosed spaces. In that sense, a mask is controproductive because it gives a false sense of security but any mask is good enough to reduce the exposure of others by the infected. So in total, masks in enclosed spaces: yes. Do they protect you? No, they protect others from oneself.

[El Gunner]

Their "sense of community" is mostly based on the fact that individual people dont matter, which is just wrong from the get-go. Everyone has intrinsic value and the individual is more important than the collective.

When you take a stance where the collective is more important than the individual, naturally the individual loses value. And that's dangerous in every possible way.

Then it becomes "morally justifiable" to do with the individual whatever you desire for the good of the collective. A good response to the pandemic is not reason to throw away our core liberal values because in the long run, it may not be pretty.

just wrong wrong wrong.
Your views on sense of community is anti-community. Individualism is the most bullshit thing to ever happen to humanity when we are in fact an interconnected species, sharing a world with one another.

Collectivism doesnt mean the individual doesnt matter, it means the collective takes precedence over selfish interests.

[zigra]

Their "sense of community" is mostly based on the fact that individual people dont matter, which is just wrong from the get-go. Everyone has intrinsic value and the individual is more important than the collective.

When you take a stance where the collective is more important than the individual, naturally the individual loses value. And that's dangerous in every possible way.

Then it becomes "morally justifiable" to do with the individual whatever you desire for the good of the collective. A good response to the pandemic is not reason to throw away our core liberal values because in the long run, it may not be pretty.

Be honest. How much do you know about the society of Taiwan? Do you really feel you know them well enough to make a statement about their valuation of the individual? What is that based on?

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