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Post by Myesyats on Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:14 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/aug/01/masks-make-us-slaves-thousands-march-in-berlin-anti-lockdown-protest-video

'Masks make us slaves': thousands march in Berlin anti-lockdown protest

Goes to show the US is hardly alone when it comes to anti-mask hysteria

Understandable. I'm young, with no respiratory issues, and wearing a mask in the middle of summer makes me dizzy so can't even imagine how it's like for older people.

It's different though when people refuse to wear a mask because they believe Corona is a hoax heh

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Post by Babun on Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:48 am

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The protest was a legit one about real issues like failed communication between the gov and people about the situation, families whose kids can't go to school full time, bars, shops, hoteliries who suffer from restrictions then you have a hard core of extreme left and right whose only issue is the state itself.
Those snowflakes want all of the restrictions lifted for no other reason than "the state is repressing them with facemasks". People don't even need to wear a mask in public, just indoors. They disregarded the 1.5m rule, clogged together without facemasks, no sanitizing or disenfecting was there at hand. The protest became illegal and was called off by the organizer, for he was sued by another private person for not abiding by the AHA rules and so endangering his life. The police don't hesitate here, they took the protestors apart and sent them home. Some of theme refuse to go home. There were around 20000 people. No riots and no one was injured.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:58 pm

@Babun wrote:@BC
The protest was a legit one about real issues like failed communication between the gov and people about the situation, families whose kids can't go to school full time, bars, shops, hoteliries who suffer from restrictions then you have a hard core of extreme left and right whose only issue is the state itself.
Those snowflakes want all of the restrictions lifted for no other reason than "the state is repressing them with facemasks". People don't even need to wear a mask in public, just indoors. They disregarded the 1.5m rule, clogged together without facemasks, no sanitizing or disenfecting was there at hand. The protest became illegal and was called off by the organizer, for he was sued by another private person for not abiding by the AHA rules and so endangering his life. The police don't hesitate here, they took the protestors apart and sent them home. Some of theme refuse to go home. There were around 20000 people. No riots and no one was injured.

I don't see how this is different anywhere else tbh. Everyone has to make the best of it but waving around signs like "masks = slavery" is just silly

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Post by Babun on Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:15 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Babun wrote:@BC
The protest was a legit one about real issues like failed communication between the gov and people about the situation, families whose kids can't go to school full time, bars, shops, hoteliries who suffer from restrictions then you have a hard core of extreme left and right whose only issue is the state itself.
Those snowflakes want all of the restrictions lifted for no other reason than "the state is repressing them with facemasks". People don't even need to wear a mask in public, just indoors. They disregarded the 1.5m rule, clogged together without facemasks, no sanitizing or disenfecting was there at hand. The protest became illegal and was called off by the organizer, for he was sued by another private person for not abiding by the AHA rules and so endangering his life. The police don't hesitate here, they took the protestors apart and sent them home. Some of theme refuse to go home. There were around 20000 people. No riots and no one was injured.

I don't see how this is different anywhere else tbh. Everyone has to make the best of it but waving around signs like "masks = slavery" is just silly

That's the point. The escalation wasn't initiated by normal people but by extreme left and right. In Germany, the police doesn't let the protest continue though if the majourity is peaceful. The oraganizer has to register the protest and set the rules, if he/she can't bring the people to abide by the rules the police is allowed to dissolve the protest. They did just that still the issues mentioned are real. Every country has got their solutions.

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Post by S on Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:23 pm

Thanks for the support guys.

I am holding up well though. Lost the sense of smell and taste but physically I'm doing completely fine. Just a matter of one week or so and I should be done with his whole ordeal.

Not experiencing any typical symptoms of covid like breathlessness (touchwood) so I guess that's a positive.

Spoke to one of the doctors at the hospital and they told me that more than 70% who have tested positive are asymptomatic and many of those who have experienced full blown symptoms are testing negative. I mean I am definitely following the precautions and all but this is turning into a fear mongering thing tbh fueled by media/politicians. What do you guys think ?
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:16 pm

told you guys would come to the realisation 🤷

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Post by Jay29 on Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:00 pm

It's great news if you only have a very mild case.

I don't think there's "fear mongering", though. Asymptomatics can still spread it to more vulnerable people and have long-term side effects such as chronic fatigue lasting months. Young people can still have a very serious disease and die, even if they're the "exception" to the overall trend.

In the end, it may turn out that the virus was less fatal than we feared, or that these long-term effects aren't as damaging as we fear, and that most people have a mild illness and recover like normal... but we don't know that's the case yet, because only a small percentage of the world's population has been infected.

At the very least, us 20/30 somethings, who lead decently healthy lives and have no known underlying health problems, shouldn't be the ones to determine how much others should "fear" the virus.

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Post by Babun on Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:39 am

@Jay29 wrote:It's great news if you only have a very mild case.

I don't think there's "fear mongering", though. Asymptomatics can still spread it to more vulnerable people and have long-term side effects such as chronic fatigue lasting months. Young people can still have a very serious disease and die, even if they're the "exception" to the overall trend.

In the end, it may turn out that the virus was less fatal than we feared, or that these long-term effects aren't as damaging as we fear, and that most people have a mild illness and recover like normal... but we don't know that's the case yet, because only a small percentage of the world's population has been infected.

At the very least, us 20/30 somethings, who lead decently healthy lives and have no known underlying health problems, shouldn't be the ones to determine how much others should "fear" the virus.

There're two sides to everything and I say it as someone who has got relatives in the risk group. We can't destroy the foundation of the future generations to protect a subset of people who have mostly lived their lives. It's irresposible from every point of view. Kids can't vote and don't hold power, 20-30y olds are mostly starting to get on with their lives.
The better approach would be to effectivly isolate the risk groups until a cure/vaccine is found or the pandemic is over. That one year taken away from the kids is comparable to 20 years from 60-80 in a relative sense.

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